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Post by kirby101 on Dec 6, 2020 17:46:07 GMT -5
I would say DC was much stronger about the artwork having a House Style. While at Marvel, most artist took their cues from Kirby as far as storytelling, the drawing styles of were more varied than their DC counterparts. And DC artist looked different when they moved to Marvel.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 6, 2020 18:16:47 GMT -5
I can't imagine the newer style was easier or faster, it had a million lines to every panel.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 6, 2020 20:48:31 GMT -5
I liked his Batman and Silver Age flash, loved Adam Strange, enjoyed his Spider-Woman, Nova and, mostly his Star Wars; but, by the 80s, I really didn't care for much he was doing. It had a rushed, unfinished quality that seemed off, to me.
With Star Wars, I wasn't a fan of his likenesses or interpretations of some of the tech and character elements, compared to Chaykin or Al Williamson (and Carlos Garzon); but, I got used to it and felt he was a dynamic storyteller and he was able to render recognizable characters and keep it exciting. Williamson made it look slicker and more like the movies; but, it didn't have the same energy, on the page.
Liked his Spider-Woman, though in looking back at some of it (I mostly read the early stuff), it was a rather kinky book. and his method of drawing Spider-Woman fit right in with that odd aesthetic. Nova had that same kind of energy that Star Wars had, even if the stories, themselves didn't, and weren't really in the league of either Spider-Man or Green Lantern, from which it swiped so much.
I liked his rendering of Paladin, when introduced in Daredevil, though always wonder about his helmet/mask. The only thing like it, out there, was Mirror Master's headgear, which also didn't match anything in real life, except, possibly, boxing sparring headgear. he gave him a nice swashbuckler design, even if the costume was more than a bit impractical. It was flamboyant and that was important. Too bad no one ever seemed to come up with a personality for him, other than courtly, with the ladies. I think they were going for Errol Flynn; but, ended up with Stewart Granger.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2020 21:41:48 GMT -5
I was looking at this set of Nova 1-25 on ebay just to see how pricing has changed in 10 years.
I bought my complete set about 10-11 years ago for about $20 in high-grade...most were averaging 9.2 or so.
This set sold for $152.50 a few minutes ago.
Glad I wasn't brain farting when I got my set. Some bronze books have climbed up in price after being in discount bins for years.
There, I bought it cheap.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 6, 2020 22:29:13 GMT -5
Timing is everything
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Post by berkley on Dec 6, 2020 22:40:43 GMT -5
Damn, I was just going to say that and now it's too late.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 6, 2020 22:51:28 GMT -5
Very few rank above Anderson and Giaccoia. None do... at least on Infantino.
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 6, 2020 23:11:01 GMT -5
Very few rank above Anderson and Giaccoia. None do... at least on Infantino. Even all around, few do.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 6, 2020 23:18:15 GMT -5
I would say DC was much stronger about the artwork having a House Style. While at Marvel, most artist took their cues from Kirby as far as storytelling, the drawing styles of were more varied than their DC counterparts. And DC artist looked different when they moved to Marvel. I'm not so sure I see that, kirby101 . In the 60s, you can argue that Marvel was more varied in style than it was in the 70s, that's for sure. But DC in the Silver Age, I don't see as having a house style so much as editorial styles. Certainly you couldn't confuse the Batman books (Schiff's or Schwartz's) for Weisinger's Superman titles. The war books had their own style, heavily influenced by Kubert, of course, but there , too, you had work by Drucker, Novick, and Andru and Esposito, all easily distinguishable form Heath and Kubert. Schwartz, yes, he had a lot of Gil Kane-illustrated stories on GL and Atom, but no one ever tried to ape that style. (Who could have?) And the Flash, well, Infantino was Infantino. And the B-level titles like Blackhawk (Dillin and Cuiidera) Doom Patrol (Bruno Premiani), Challengers and Tomahawk (Bob Brown), Sea Devils (Heath and later Howard Purcell) and Aquaman (Cardy) all looked quite different from each other. Meanwhile, though early 60s Marvel was heavily influenced by Kirby, as you can see even in Sgt. Fury and the Western books, you had some variation with Ditko on Spider-Man, and eventually Colan on Daredevil. By the early 70s, it was the Gil Kane square cover illustrations, the Sal Buscema look inside -- ably imitated by Andru and Esposito on Spider-Man. Conan with Smith, Sgt. Fury with Severin, and maybe a couple of others looked different, but mostly, we had a similar style in most Marvels, inside and out. I'd suggest that when you look at a month's worth of Marvel comics covers, there's very little distinction in cover design, no matter the genre. DC had a real advantage in the variety of looks its comics had -- thanks in no small part to its superior logos and in large part to Infantino's genius. By the dreadful mid-to late 70s, with Carmine gone, it was blandness by the bucketful at DC. Yeah, I'm afraid I'm looking at good old Ernie Chua/ Chan there. Thank the art gods that Aparo drew so many covers back then.
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Post by beccabear67 on Dec 6, 2020 23:23:02 GMT -5
I liked Sid Greene on Gil Kane a lot, Murphy Anderson was often mind-blowing on both Kane or Infantino in the '60s. I did buy a lot of the later Infantino comics, I guess the storytelling was more important to me then, I bought a lot of Sal Buscema Hulk and Rom comics too, but I think on the Flash it was the back-up feature (Firestorm and then Doctor Fate) that hooked me more than the title feature, it was not the best writing on Flash then (early '80s). Carmine for worst R2D2!
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Post by tarkintino on Dec 7, 2020 8:43:37 GMT -5
Infantino goodness-- L: The "How to Draw Batman" page as printed in Limited Collector's Edition #C25 - Batman (1974). R: Infantino with Giordano - "Goodbye, Bambi Boone" from Eerie #81 (February, 1977). ...and... L: Infantino with Jorge Benuy - "Junior Was a Momma's Boy" from Creepy #118 (June, 1980). R: Infantino with Giella - "Hate of the Hooded Hangman!" from Detective Comics #355 (September, 1966)
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Post by MDG on Dec 7, 2020 10:14:01 GMT -5
Carmine is probably my favorite mainstream artist, whatever period. I think at Marvel, he had the same issues as Frank Robbins where he was a stylist who didn't fit with reader expectations and was often paired with inkers who didn't understand or were at odds with his style. I loved that at Warren, they partnered him with people who understood and enhanced his work, including Wrightson, Toth, Simonson.
When he returned to DC, I loved Denis Jensen's inks on The Flash, but Bob Smith was just OK.
The first original art page I ever bought was a star wars page inked by Terry Austin ($15, from Austin at a show). That's long gone, but I've got at least three pages by him now.
Favorite inkers on Infantino: 1) Jensen 2) Greene 3) Infantino 4) Anderson
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 7, 2020 12:36:45 GMT -5
Infantino goodness-- L: The "How to Draw Batman" page as printed in Limited Collector's Edition #C25 - Batman (1974). R: Infantino with Giordano - "Goodbye, Bambi Boone" from Eerie #81 (February, 1977). ...and... L: Infantino with Jorge Benuy - "Junior Was a Momma's Boy" from Creepy #118 (June, 1980). R: Infantino with Giella - "Hate of the Hooded Hangman!" from Detective Comics #355 (September, 1966) He did draw that full-nelson wrong, though; the Hangman's arms should go under Batman's armpits and then his hands lock behind Batman's head and he presses Batman's head down into his chest.
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Post by badwolf on Dec 8, 2020 13:59:29 GMT -5
It took me a long time to like Infantino's art. When I was a kid I just didn't like art that was overly stylized. Now I love it. (Colan is another artist I had this progression with.) I think his late 70s work is his best. Al Gordon was a great fit as inker.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 8, 2020 18:52:01 GMT -5
Lotta bandits in Usagi Yojimbo's Japan.
There. I said it.
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