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Post by hondobrode on Aug 21, 2016 18:34:34 GMT -5
Read the first 3 issues of Dynamite's first Doc Savage mini and really enjoyed them.
Supposedly a Doc movie is coming, and Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is going to play him, though Johnson calling him a "weirdo" in an interview makes me a little nervous.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 19:08:29 GMT -5
Read the first 3 issues of Dynamite's first Doc Savage mini and really enjoyed them. Supposedly a Doc movie is coming, and Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is going to play him, though Johnson calling him a "weirdo" in an interview makes me a little nervous. I dug that series a lot. By the time I got to Issue 8, I didn't want it to end. |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 21, 2016 20:41:49 GMT -5
I'd love to see DC & Dynamite do some kind of crossover with the Shadow, Doc, Superman & Batman.
Maybe Superman & the Shadow, and Batman & Doc Savage
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 20:57:14 GMT -5
I'd love to see DC & Dynamite do some kind of crossover with the Shadow, Doc, Superman & Batman. Maybe Superman & the Shadow, and Batman & Doc Savage DC did a Batman/Doc Savage (along with Will Eisner's SPirit) cross-over called THe First Wave last time they had the rights to Doc Savage. It sold terribly even with a name writer like Brian Azzarello attached. Rags Morales did the art and JG Jones the covers. All are fairly decent draws in the current market, didn't help the book.  There was even a Neal Adams variant for #1...  So I don't think you will see another of that type of cross over anytime soon. -M |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 21, 2016 21:03:22 GMT -5
I bought that series and liked it and even sprung for the Adams variant.
I'm proposing a mini or one-shot not an ongoing.
Speaking for myself only, I'm a sucker for crossovers.
My understanding of why First Wave crashed (no pun intended), was because Azz tried to have it both ways, mixing modern tech in with pulp characters. That's what irked a lot of purists.
I can't sell this selling less well than Dynamite's other pulp titles, so hopefully this could happen.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 21:05:39 GMT -5
I bought that series and liked it and even sprung for the Adams variant. I'm proposing a mini or one-shot not an ongoing. Speaking for myself only, I'm a sucker for crossovers. My understanding of why First Wave crashed (no pun intended), was because Azz tried to have it both ways, mixing modern tech in with pulp characters. That's what irked a lot of purists. I can't sell this selling less well than Dynamite's other pulp titles, so hopefully this could happen. It would have to sell at 2-3X what Dynamite's top sellers sell at before DC would license the characters fo them to use. DC's cancellation level is at about 20K, they won't consider letting someone use their characters at a level less than that. Dynamite books typically sell in the 5-8K range. -M |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 21, 2016 21:09:56 GMT -5
Well, DC has been pretty good about doing crossovers with other publishers in the past.
Don't know what the stipulations are for that to happen.
It seems to me that these things tend to sell better than not.
Archie & Kiss
TMNT & Batman
Superman & Aliens
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 21:16:13 GMT -5
Well, DC has been pretty good about doing crossovers with other publishers in the past. Don't know what the stipulations are for that to happen. It seems to me that these things tend to sell better than not. Archie & Kiss TMNT & Batman Superman & Aliens And all of those sold over 20K and none of them involved Dynamite, whom is not well liked among some of the other publishers because they play fast and loose with copyrights, trademarks and other people's IP. -M |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 21, 2016 21:19:44 GMT -5
Well, I hadn't considered that factor.
They haven't done that to DC though.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 21:30:40 GMT -5
Well, DC has been pretty good about doing crossovers with other publishers in the past. Don't know what the stipulations are for that to happen. It seems to me that these things tend to sell better than not.
Archie & KissTMNT & Batman Superman & Aliens I don't think the Archie/Kiss x-over had anything to do with DC though. They did do the Spirit Rocketeer x-over with IDW, which sold terrible (despite being written by Mark Waid) and led to them letting he Spirit license go, which then ended up with Dynamite. -M |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 21, 2016 22:12:29 GMT -5
No, I didn't mean to imply Archie / Kiss had anything to do with DC. I was just rattling off a couple of crossovers that came to mind.
Despite liking the character, and him being around for decades, I've never thought that The Spirit was a very strong seller, even in the best of circumstances.
I bought the Rocketeer / Spirit crossover. And the Spirit / Batman one too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 22:17:41 GMT -5
No, I didn't mean to imply Archie / Kiss had anything to do with DC. I was just rattling off a couple of crossovers that came to mind. Despite liking the character, and him being around for decades, I've never thought that The Spirit was a very strong seller, even in the best of circumstances. I bought the Rocketeer / Spirit crossover. And the Spirit / Batman one too. The Spirit section was distributed in over 20 papers until 1952 and had a combined circulation of over 5 million copies. The Spirit reached more people than any comic book feature did through the Golden Age, and was known by more people than any comic book character that didn't also appear in other media (such as radio or movie serials). -M |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 21, 2016 22:26:35 GMT -5
I meant to say, in my lifetime.
He's never been more than moderately successful in comic book form AFAIK.
Sure Warren or Kitchen Sink could make a little money off of the character, but I've never seen him as being a heavy hitter sales-wise.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 22:50:46 GMT -5
I meant to say, in my lifetime. He's never been more than moderately successful in comic book form AFAIK. Sure Warren or Kitchen Sink could make a little money off of the character, but I've never seen him as being a heavy hitter sales-wise. None of the pulp characters have been big sellers in comics in your lifetime though (or more than moderately successful as you put it). Most have had unsuccessful runs at the big 2 and been relegated to secondary publishers for most of the past few decades. Spirit has had longer runs than any of them really and the Spirit Archives by DC were decent sellers and a prominent line that none of the other pulp characters have gotten outside of maybe Tarzan (if you count him as a pulp character though his first appearances were in glossy mags not pulps). Hell, Doc Savage was relegated to being published by a no name company like Millennium for a while after he flamed out at DC and Dark Horse, so if you are looking for them to be stronger sellers than Spirit, you're going to be disappointed. -M |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 21, 2016 22:58:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I've got those Doc Savages by Millennium, as well as his other non-Gold Key comics.
The Shadow seems to do pretty well.
I know historically they haven't done as well as standard spandex, but it seems there's been an upswing in interest of the pulp characters in the last decade or so, inspired by an easy-to-read format of not being slavishly devoted to decades of hard continuity or confusing reboots.
Everyone does these characters pretty much the same, but in their own style.
You can pick up The Shadow, Doc Savage, The Spider, Justice Inc, etc, and not be too shocked at what's going on, as Conde Nast keeps them pretty set in place with their properties (a good thing).
I believe Dynamite's gotten over 100 issues of the Shadow published. Pretty good for them.
I think Green Hornet did ok for them a few years back despite weak reviews for the movie (which I liked, very surprisingly).
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