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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2023 2:29:10 GMT -5
shaxper, may I humbly suggest Three Jokers? You can easily read it as an Elseworld and it is absolutely unrelated to current Batman continuity 🙂  Here are some interesting characterizations of Barbara and Todd related to the events of Killing Joke and "Death in the family" and I would love to read your comment on this story. I know you're not crazy about recent Batman stories but, like I said, you can read it as a standalone (imaginary) tale.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 1, 2023 4:57:26 GMT -5
shaxper , may I humbly suggest Three Jokers? You can easily read it as an Elseworld and it is absolutely unrelated to current Batman continuity 🙂 Here are some interesting characterizations of Barbara and Todd related to the events of Killing Joke and "Death in the family" and I would love to read your comment on this story. I know you're not crazy about recent Batman stories but, like I said, you can read it as a standalone (imaginary) tale. ...but we like Shaxper, why would we subject him to torture? |
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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2023 5:03:02 GMT -5
shaxper , may I humbly suggest Three Jokers? You can easily read it as an Elseworld and it is absolutely unrelated to current Batman continuity 🙂 Here are some interesting characterizations of Barbara and Todd related to the events of Killing Joke and "Death in the family" and I would love to read your comment on this story. I know you're not crazy about recent Batman stories but, like I said, you can read it as a standalone (imaginary) tale. ...but we like Shaxper, why would we subject him to torture? ok...  shaxper, never mind.... |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 1, 2023 5:20:31 GMT -5
...but we like Shaxper, why would we subject him to torture? ok... shaxper, never mind.... Ouch. Guilttripping me into reading it? Geez. That just might work. |
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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2023 5:38:08 GMT -5
Ouch. Guilttripping me into reading it? Geez. That just might work. No please no! For real!!!  |
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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2023 6:07:51 GMT -5
(I noted that users here usually don't like very much modern comics. Different tastes, times change, etc . I realized when people merciless bashed Supergirl, Woman Of The Tomorrow, a comic which I loved and has been a critically success - they will even make an animated movie from it) |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 1, 2023 6:56:22 GMT -5
(I noted that users here usually don't like very much modern comics. Different tastes, times change, etc . I realized when people merciless bashed Supergirl, Woman Of The Tomorrow, a comic which I loved and has been a critically success - they will even make an animated movie from it) I think it's more that we are resistant to hype. Often, the next big comic, run, or creator that everyone is raving about ends up seeming mediocre or flawed in retrospect. So many comics that people assured me were "must reads" at the time are either utterly forgotten at this point (ex. Spiderman: The Other) or seen as regrettable in hindsight (ex. Identity Crisis). Sometimes it is just a difference of opinion, but years and years of substance-less hype have made many of the folks here mistrustful of the next big thing in comics, especially if it's a hyped event like Three Jokers was. That being said, I know absolutely nothing about Three Jokers and don't pretend to have an opinion about it beyond generally mistrusting it for having been a massively hyped event. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 7:17:02 GMT -5
re: Batman Three Jokers...
I bought it, I read it, and aside from remembering I didn't like it and feeling that it was typical Geoff Johns tripe when I did read it, I don't remember anything about it. I think the issues are still sitting one of my purge boxes because I couldn't find anyone who wanted to take it.
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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2023 7:19:27 GMT -5
re: Batman Three Jokers... I bought it, I read it, and aside from remembering I didn't like it and feeling that it was typical Geoff Johns tripe when I did read it, I don't remember anything about it. I think the issues are still sitting one of my purge boxes because I couldn't find anyone who wanted to take it. -M You can just give them to shaxper for the cause 🤣🤣🤣 |
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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2023 8:33:31 GMT -5
shaxper, I've just found you can read the first pages free (and legally!) on Amazon.If they don't do anything for you, you can skip the comic entirely 
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 8:41:10 GMT -5
It's available to read for free on hoopla as well if your local library provides that service.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 1, 2023 8:52:34 GMT -5
shaxper, I've just found you can read the first pages free (and legally!) on Amazon.If they don't do anything for you, you can skip the comic entirely Thanks. I gave it a read. On the one hand, I really like what they were doing with Barbara (watching a restless leg syndrome commercial. Ouch. And breaking the treadmill...that was cool). On the other, the idea of a tortured Bruce Wayne wrestling all his demons is so overdone at this point. I don't crave more of it. That they're wrapping Barbara up in this treatment too does not appeal to me. The Joker is also over-explored at this point IMO. I'd rather see a more emotionally balanced Batman and family in a story that plays up a more overlooked villain. Make me love Calendar Man or Crazy Quilt. That would be impressive! But the Joker has been done to death, and giving away more of his origin, or trying to give us some final reconciliation over Death in the Family and Killing Joke feels uncreative and forced to me. The writing is good, the art is good; I'm just not sure it's for me. I'm too in love with a very different era of Batman. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2023 10:53:59 GMT -5
shaxper, I've just found you can read the first pages free (and legally!) on Amazon.If they don't do anything for you, you can skip the comic entirely Thanks. I gave it a read. On the one hand, I really like what they were doing with Barbara (watching a restless leg syndrome commercial. Ouch. And breaking the treadmill...that was cool). On the other, the idea of a tortured Bruce Wayne wrestling all his demons is so overdone at this point. I don't crave more of it. That they're wrapping Barbara up in this treatment too does not appeal to me. The Joker is also over-explored at this point IMO. I'd rather see a more emotionally balanced Batman and family in a story that plays up a more overlooked villain. Make me love Calendar Man or Crazy Quilt. That would be impressive! But the Joker has been done to death, and giving away more of his origin, or trying to give us some final reconciliation over Death in the Family and Killing Joke feels uncreative and forced to me. The writing is good, the art is good; I'm just not sure it's for me. I'm too in love with a very different era of Batman. But, but, but...there's not one Joker, but three...see I'm Geoff Johns I do cool things and give the fans what they want...!  -M |
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Post by shaxper on Jun 1, 2023 12:06:42 GMT -5
But, but, but...there's not one Joker, but three...see I'm Geoff Johns I do cool things and give the fans what they want...! -M As flashy retcons go, it's a better decision than most, as Starlin's characterization of The Joker in Death in The Family was completely off and definitely didn't match the Joker that Moore was writing in The Killing Joke. I guess it's just a bandaid I didn't personally need. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 1, 2023 15:36:31 GMT -5
(I noted that users here usually don't like very much modern comics. Different tastes, times change, etc . I realized when people merciless bashed Supergirl, Woman Of The Tomorrow, a comic which I loved and has been a critically success - they will even make an animated movie from it) I was very excited to read Supergirl, Woman of Tomorrow. Then a find a character drunk in a bar that first picks a fight out of boredom, then lets an innocent kid die because she doesn't feel like saving them. If that's Supergirl now, I have no interest in reading about her. Angsty redemption stories are a dime a dozen... and if that's NOT what it is, then I could just go read some 90s Lobo or something. Also, I really don't like anything Geoff Johns has done that isn't Stargirl. Now get off my my lawn! |
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