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Post by wildfire2099 on May 11, 2015 10:59:55 GMT -5
I'm VERY curious how this is going to go... Archie is not really seen as a 'little guy', I wonder if people will assume they don't really need the kickstarter. Also, the personal stuff (you can pay to write a story or appear in the comic) could be really, really bad, I'd think, if the actual writers have plans.. or it could foster a sense of community involvement among fans that could be very useful long term.
anyone have thoughts? Planning to go in?
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Post by Crimebuster on May 11, 2015 11:16:04 GMT -5
I'm on board. Archie is not a big company; they're still privately owned by the families that founded the company way back in the day. So they certainly don't have the capital that Disney and Time Warner have.
Frankly, though, if they're going to do a new Jughead title, I don't care where the money comes from. They can get it by selling crack outside of schools for all I care. Whatever it takes.
I signed up at the $50 level, which gets you a Kickstarter exclusive variant cover for Archie #1 by Fiona Staples.
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Post by Crimebuster on May 11, 2015 17:34:47 GMT -5
I've been discussing this on a couple other forums, and a lot of people seem to be really pissed off about it. I don't entirely understand why, to be honest. But a lot of the negativity seems similar to people who got upset over the Veronica Mars kickstarter and similarly crowd-funded films from Zach Braff and Spike Lee; the main argument seems to be that the company is asking for funding, but then they keep the profits if it's successful. I get that, but I also don't really agree, because a) I am paying for a product, namely the "reward" for my donation level, and b) I want them to keep the profits so they can continue to publish the titles!
Still, I hope Archie knows what they're doing here. If they don't get the funding, this is going to be pretty embarrassing for them.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 19:06:46 GMT -5
I think anyone wiling to pay enough to write a story is probably a competent enough writer trying to get a comic credit to their name. It could just be a superfan of course, but likely it will be a short story and turn out okay. They'll probably provide a little help to those that need it.
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Post by shaxper on May 11, 2015 19:17:56 GMT -5
I'm rebooted out. Archie was one of the few places left in comics where you could find a classic character getting appropriately modernized without losing touch with his past. I want to support the publisher, but I do not want to support this direction.
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Post by Action Ace on May 11, 2015 21:06:14 GMT -5
A couple of Direct Market retailers weigh in with their thoughts. WARNING: some of you will need to take your blood pressure pills before reading link
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 21:13:02 GMT -5
A couple of Direct Market retailers weigh in with their thoughts. WARNING: some of you will need to take your blood pressure pills before reading linkAnd hence we see why comics in print may never escape the comic shop ghetto and reach places where the mass market can buy them-if you reach for new markets spiteful owners in your old market will stop carrying your product... -M
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Post by Crimebuster on May 11, 2015 21:57:44 GMT -5
I've read that article, and I don't understand the vitriolic reaction from the retailers. I mean, I'm confused. To my eye, the Kickstarter campaign doesn't affect retailers much at all except possibly creating three new titles for them to sell. Yes, some of the rewards for donating include copies of the various #1 issues. And there are a couple Kickstarter exclusive variant covers. But is that really such a huge deal? I don't get it. If someone with more knowledge about the direct market can explain why these people are so upset, I'd appreciate it, because I feel like I must be missing something.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 11, 2015 22:02:29 GMT -5
Wow, I had no idea there was such a negative reaction! I agree the retailer one is especially mystifying. If the kickstarter works, and Archie gets 3 more successful titles going, then the retailer will have 3 new titles to sell in the future...they only thing they lose on is #1, and that only to hard core fans that know about this.
I was just looking more closely... they've already got 3 'retailer packages' which includes a full page ad.. and there's not a limit on that particular category... what happens if they get 10 or 20 of those? Or 50? Besides greatly increasing the number of variants out there (which thus decreases their value), they surely don't have unlimited space... if stores REALLY want to stick to them, I almost think they're better off buying that package!
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 22:21:52 GMT -5
I've read that article, and I don't understand the vitriolic reaction from the retailers. I mean, I'm confused. To my eye, the Kickstarter campaign doesn't affect retailers much at all except possibly creating three new titles for them to sell. Yes, some of the rewards for donating include copies of the various #1 issues. And there are a couple Kickstarter exclusive variant covers. But is that really such a huge deal? I don't get it. If someone with more knowledge about the direct market can explain why these people are so upset, I'd appreciate it, because I feel like I must be missing something. Some retailers treat the whole thing as a zero sum game-if a sale goes elsewhere it's a sale they lose so any potential sale elsewhere is a threat to them. Same reason retailers were upset at Marvel when hey first introduced the Barnes and Noble exclusive paperback masterworks volumes a decade ago (before paperbacks were available in the general market), or were upset at Marvel for putting $5 trades in Wal Mart a year ago, etc. etc. They have no clue how to grow their own business so their insecurity leads them to feel threatened whenever someone looks to grow the market outside the traditional scope, not realizing a larger market and more people reaidng comics in general means more potential sales for them. They only see the fact they may lose a handful of sale son #1 and how dare the publisher bypass me so I will show them I won't sell their product-even if customers want it. And if customers do want it and you don't carry it, they go elsewhere to buy it, and may take all of their business there too, to a shop that meets the customers needs not one that makes business decisions based on their insecure egos. Both of the retailers in that article (Barger and James) are always mouthing off about this that or the other thing trying to get publicity and spotlight for themselves and their shops not realizing they make themselves look like tools in the process. If you are retailer worth your salt yo seize the opportunity and find a way to inspire your customers to buy from you not spite your customers because you feel threatened by someone else's potential success. -M
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Post by Action Ace on May 11, 2015 22:33:34 GMT -5
I think the real reason they're ticked off is that #1s and their variants are where the easy money is made these days. Remove that from the equation and the comic shop owner may actually have to work at it to make money off the Archie titles.
Also, see Chuck Rozanski's fit at SDCC last summer where the publishers were cutting him out of the equation in getting collectible issues directly to the readers.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 3:31:23 GMT -5
Not a huge fan of Walmart but first of all, the direct market is dying, and of their own doing, and they completely deserve it. Second, they mostly didn't carry Archie anyway, from my experience. Not much of a boycott. And finally, doesn't Marvel have some kind of deal with Walmart too? Why not boycott them too? Oh yeah, that's right, because it's 90% of what your store sells...
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 3:32:18 GMT -5
I think the real reason they're ticked off is that #1s and their variants are where the easy money is made these days. Remove that from the equation and the comic shop owner may actually have to work at it to make money off the Archie titles. Also, see Chuck Rozanski's fit at SDCC last summer where the publishers were cutting him out of the equation in getting collectible issues directly to the readers. Chuck is a perfect example of why the direct market needs to die.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 15:23:18 GMT -5
Jon Goldwater, Archie's Publisher has responded to some of the kickstarter criticisms in an interview/article hereI wonder if the same comic shops are upset with Marvel and DC for offering subscriptions to sell their comics directly to readers and cutting out the comic shops...as they have been doing it for years without the benefit of kickstarter and in Marvel's case often at up to 45% off the cover price, which is close to what shops pay per issue, yes no one is decrying Marvel for selling their comics directly to readers at basically wholesale cost.... -M
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 14:17:19 GMT -5
Apparently Archie has cancelled the Kickstarter... story-M
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