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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 15, 2019 12:00:22 GMT -5
Yeah, he can't help being a classless cheapskate. The politics behind it were dumb, "I have to pay for this out of pocket because my kitchen staff is furloughed(by the shut down I caused), so this is what I got." But c'mon, fast food is fun and in a "fancy" setting I bet it made for a great party feel. He couldn't have sprung for deli?
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 15, 2019 13:11:58 GMT -5
It's hard to keep up with important things happening; AG picks, FBI info, Brexit, China condemning a Canadian to death who they grabbed in retaliation for our nabbing a Chinese woman wanted in the U.S. for possibly breaking an embargo against Iran (did you miss that one?) without airtime blown on some more Trump junk about burgers and wives making salads.
Then again look all the in-depth coverage on details of serial killers, every imaginable sport and supposed celebrities polluting the news. I want news that will go back to being just news, things of actual impact on a lot of people, and not emoting panelists and guests spinning things or flogginmg a book already a best-seller the day of release. What happened to our news? Especially the kind with the facts up front where you don't have to sit through some fashionplate uhming and ehring squawkily to get to something finally, like something actually prepared before the person went in front of the camera? I guess I'll stick with PBS/NPR and our CBC (even BBC has so much garbage now and specialty shows regardless of whether there is any real car or Africa news or whatever. They say even they have spin but if so they get to the info fastest and then move on to the next thing without all kinds of 'what does this mean' excess. What happened to news editors who didn't think about ratings or what another show might lead with? They keep breaking the news and then fixing it... just break it to us as fully as each item needs, and then on to the next thing, not one thing over and over for hours.
Sorry, venting again.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 15, 2019 13:33:25 GMT -5
The politics behind it were dumb, "I have to pay for this out of pocket because my kitchen staff is furloughed(by the shut down I caused), so this is what I got." But c'mon, fast food is fun and in a "fancy" setting I bet it made for a great party feel. He couldn't have sprung for deli? It's almost like it's a...Nothingburger. There are so many things to knock the clueless charlatan about that this seems pretty trivial.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 15:00:24 GMT -5
Over this side of the pond, the government's Brexit bill has (as expected) failed to be pass - in the biggest defeat for a government motion in British parliamentary history.
Labour (roughly = Democrats, though markedly more left wing, at the moment) table no-confidence motion (if that wins, the government have to call a general election), but there's close to no chance of that passing, as it would require the Tories (roughly = Republicans, but at least vaguely connected to objective reality and not in hock to religious nutjobs) to vote for their own armageddon, so it's nothing more than a bit of grand-standing and achieves nothing.
Looks like the March 29 deadline for leaving will have to be postponed (or even cancelled with the intention of having another go later) - either for more negotiations (which will achieve nothing, as the EU won't concede anything else, and anything the government concedes takes us more towards status quo so their own party won't support) or for a 2nd referendum (which is the only sane option left, but for which there probably also aren't the votes to get through parliament, as the Brexit-supporters would expect to lose).
All in all, our executive is almost as log-jammed as the US administration. The only points in our favour are (a) our staff continue to be paid and to do their jobs and (b) at least we don't have a tantrumming Russian glove-puppet leading our march towards chaos.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 15, 2019 15:57:22 GMT -5
Glad to see the Brexit vote being discussed. Very curious where Brits feel this is heading.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 16:15:44 GMT -5
At the moment, we have a choice of Shambles or Catastrophe, and fortuitously we currently seem to be edging ever further into Shambles.
My opnion is that there is no possible Brexit deal which will get through this parliament. That could be altered in an election, which would probably result in a shift from Tories (current party of government) towards Labour, through there are a number of imponderables in this - there possible could be a resurgence in minor parties who are anti-Brexit, which might gain them enough seats for them to hold the balance of power in another hung (evenly-balanced) parliament, in the way the DUP from Northern Island did in this one.
If an election did happen, there is a chance (maybe 30-40%) of the current opposition party (Labour) switching to be anti-Brexit, as the membership of the party are about 60:40 in favour or remain (if polls are to be believed) as are most of the old-guard MPs, though the leader of the party is pro-Brexit.
I can't see any way the March 29th deadline can stand - only the headbanger wing of the Tories would accept a no-deal Brexit, and there's no chance that would get through this parliament or any likely alignment in the next one.
There is, I think, a smaller chance that there might be a more fundamental realignment of politics - there's a threat of a breakaway party being formed mostly from Labour, but it would probably also attract some of the centrists from the Tories as well. I think there's definitely a chance than the Tory party could split, though probably not more than 10-20% of that.
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Post by The Captain on Jan 15, 2019 16:18:19 GMT -5
There are other examples of words like this, but the point is that if a word is going to distract -- notice I didn't say offend -- the audience in any way, a director or speaker should weigh his or her options. Language changes and we should be sensitive to those changes, though I am sympathetic with anyone who hasn't always kept up. In 1999, I once asked a student on my yearbook staff who had been slated to interview a coach if she had managed to hook up with him, completely unaware that among kids, that expression had morphed from meeting someone (as in "I hooked up with him at work yesterday") to having casual sexual relations. She was shocked, I was embarrassed, and apologized. You can bet I never used that term again. This is hilarious. My 13-year old daughter did something similar a couple of months back. We were talking at dinner one night and she referred to one of the boys in her class as her "friend with benefits". My wife and I shot concerned looks across the table but didn't say anything, primarily because our 10-year old was there. After dinner, when the younger one was upstairs, we asked the older one what she meant by her statement and she said "it's someone who gives you a pencil if yours breaks or has gum that they will give you. You know, a friend with benefits." We were relieved at her innocence, but we also explained the current meaning of that phrase, and she was horrified at what she had said, although we had a good laugh about it a few minutes later. Absolutely it makes a difference, and it also should impact what the consequence is. In the instance of the Rochester weatherman, I can understand how folks might be "offended" at hearing what they thought was him saying "Martin Luther Coon" (although, after repeated listenings, I tend to agree with Roquefort Raider that it is more "Kung" or "Koong" than "Coon"), but were any of them truly "hurt" by it, particularly since he immediately self-corrects his error and says "King"? The responses from the mayor and city council and the Black Journalists Association make it seem as though they think the weatherman and station planned this intentionally and by not immediately falling on their swords, they were OK with racist language being used on the station. A man's career is pretty much ruined due to a slip of the tongue because some folks got outraged over an "offense" that resulted in no "hurt". Sure, they'll argue that it triggered them and reminded them that America is not truly free of racism, but what actual damage was done to them that warranted a man losing his job and probably his future employment prospects? I'll be honest. I'm offended when people, here and elsewhere, mock Christianity or make derogatory comments about Christians. In his post above, @simongarth refers to "religous nutjobs" (and we all know he means Christians, not people of any other faith), but no one will call him out on it, yet if he'd said something derogatory about Jews or Muslims, I'm betting he'd get hammered for being anti-Semitic or Islamaphobic. Same as if someone made anti-African American, anti-female, anti-LGBTQ, anti-immigrant, or anti-pretty-damn-near-anything-else comments; they would get shouted down and told what a horrible person they are, but Christianity, at least among progressives, is the last acceptable refuge for bigotry. Thing is, while I'm offended by it, I'm not suffering any damage or "hurt" from it, and while I may make a comment like this to make mention of it, I'm not going to attack him or ask the mods to ban him. It's not worth harming another member of the community over so small a slight, so I let things like that go and just recognize them as something I need to accept if I want to be part of this community, because I know I'm in the tiny minority here and most folks are either irreligious or anti-religion (primarily anti-Christian, or at least anti-politically-active right-wing American Evangelical Christian). Point is, getting back on the main road from down that rabbit trail, people need to take a moment and examine what is truly worth getting outraged over and what is just a "let it go" sort of thing. Someone calling a group of Special Olympians "retarded" is absolutely an outrage thing, but a person using the word "retarded" in its true sense ("the progress of my project at work has been retarded due to budget constraints") is probably something to just let go, even if that word triggers an unpleasant thought or memory for the hearer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 16:52:10 GMT -5
Okay, I'm obviously no fan of the President...but the the flack he's getting for his fast food feast with the Clemson football team is pretty dumb. It's a bunch of college football players, not the Queen of England, so I bet they thought the fast food binge was a lot of fun...which is all the Presidential visit is supposed to be. as I've been discussing on Facebook. .it's all about the optics, thwhtguardian.
once again, Trump has made the White House (and by extension the United States of America) a laughingstock around the world.
you need proof? look for all the Beverly Hillbillies jokes coming from other Countries. (I have LOTS of friends world wide, and they are giving their opinions on it)
it's not about what they would enjoy eating.. it's about the images of putting out Big Macs (IN THEIR BOXES) on Silver Platters, on tables lined with Gold Candlesticks.
tacky, classless, and simply embarrassing.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 16:52:55 GMT -5
Yeah, he can't help being a classless cheapskate. The politics behind it were dumb, "I have to pay for this out of pocket because my kitchen staff is furloughed(by the shut down I caused), so this is what I got." But c'mon, fast food is fun and in a "fancy" setting I bet it made for a great party feel. he owns Hotels (one of which a block away).
he couldn't have the Chef cater something?
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Post by The Captain on Jan 15, 2019 17:04:04 GMT -5
The politics behind it were dumb, "I have to pay for this out of pocket because my kitchen staff is furloughed(by the shut down I caused), so this is what I got." But c'mon, fast food is fun and in a "fancy" setting I bet it made for a great party feel. he owns Hotels (one of which a block away).
he couldn't have the Chef cater something?
Actually, no, he couldn't. This is specifically banned from happening (can't remember the exact law or statute), but he, of course, hasn't played by the rules.One of the big issues with Trump is that he owns hotels and has foreign visitors stay in them, thus leveraging his position as POTUS to make money for himself personally. The optics on this would have been terrible, if he'd had the shutdown keep the normal staff from providing the meal and as such, used it as an opportunity to utilize the chef from his hotel to do it.
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Post by hondobrode on Jan 15, 2019 17:17:18 GMT -5
I'm long overdue in posting this, and anyone who knows me knows this already, but I have to get this off my chest :
Western Iowa is very conservative, and yet, me and my family are left-leaning / liberals / progressives / what have you.
None of us wants to be associated in any way, shape or form with Steve King.
A couple of years ago I was at mass visiting my parents and my eyes about popped out of my head when I saw Steve King there.
After doing a double-take I confirmed it really was him.
His wife is from my home town so there ya go.
I was at the back of the church and he took communion (!) and was circling back to his pew.
You cannot imagine the willpower I had to muster (Hal Jordan level) to not bump him, say something to him, etc, but I didn't do anything.
Every time he's on tv my family and I have been embarrassed for years by him.
Not everyone is an ignorant hick hayseed white supremacist racist from the hills... but he sure is.
It's even more embarrassing when he constantly gets re-elected, though this last election he barely won by 3 points.
Though long overdue, I'm glad the Republicans have finally stepped in to say enough is enough.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jan 15, 2019 17:53:06 GMT -5
I've tried to avoid the Trump-Burger thing (I really can't call it an issue). I get what Bert is saying. And I don't necessarily disagree. But at this point it's pretty clear that the U.S. is a laughing-stock with pretty much any country that doesn't have a dictator in power. And I don't have any real interest in talking about a Freshman Congresswoman and her dancing ability or her snarkyness on social media. Because really...that is all smoke and mirrors and distraction. Meanwhile, buried on page 12... a Russian national has admitted to being a secret agent and infiltrating the "Gun Rights Movement." So not only was this Russian agent manipulating one of the most powerful lobbies in the U.S....there are also a ton of pictures of her with high-ranking Republican politicians and officials. But yes...let's obsess over Big Mac's and college students, who are now Congresswomen dancing.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jan 15, 2019 17:57:11 GMT -5
Okay, I'm obviously no fan of the President...but the the flack he's getting for his fast food feast with the Clemson football team is pretty dumb. It's a bunch of college football players, not the Queen of England, so I bet they thought the fast food binge was a lot of fun...which is all the Presidential visit is supposed to be. as I've been discussing on Facebook. .it's all about the optics, thwhtguardian.
once again, Trump has made the White House (and by extension the United States of America) a laughingstock around the world.
you need proof? look for all the Beverly Hillbillies jokes coming from other Countries. (I have LOTS of friends world wide, and they are giving their opinions on it)
it's not about what they would enjoy eating.. it's about the images of putting out Big Macs (IN THEIR BOXES) on Silver Platters, on tables lined with Gold Candlesticks.
tacky, classless, and simply embarrassing.
It pains me to defend this President but I'd tell those people else where the same I'd say to those here, the optics are that it's light hearted and fun and given that it's a celebration with a college football team and not a state visit by the Queen of England that seems like an appropriate tone. There's an awful lot to criticize about this Presidency...but this honestly doesn't seem like one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2019 18:01:17 GMT -5
The Clemson Football -- Fast Food Thing is a total farce.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 15, 2019 19:40:59 GMT -5
I am very much reminded of the 1999 fiasco about an assistant to Washington's mayor using the word "niggardly" in a meeting, concerning the city's budget. Someone thought it was a racial slur and lodged a complaint, and many voices clamoured for the guy's resignation. I was living in Maryland at the time and recall that even when it was explained that "niggardly" was a synoinym for "miserly" and had no racial connotation whatsoever, many people argued that the nefarious employee should have known that his word might be misconstrued as such, and was insensitive. He ended up resigning to avoid putting his boss in hot water, and the mayor accepted the resignation. The mayor felt remorse a few weeks later and offered him his job back, but he ended up accepting a different position instead. As I recall, he was even pretty gracious about the whole incident. In any case... People have always taken offence easily, but thanks to the power of social media nowadays such offence carries a very heavy punch... even if there is no ground for it. Offence 2.0, they call it. It is very sad that someone's career is currently being destroyed for what really looks like an innocent slip of the tongue, while so many people who plainly and clearly utter racist and heinous things are not held accountable. Will that guy have to look for word at Breitbart, now? Is that the message we want to send? Beware of the slip of the tongue: if you ever say something that someone can misconstrue as an offensive word, you'll have to join the alt right or starve? That's a pretty lousy message, IMO. That word pops up in Twelfth Night (Toby Belch describes Malvolio as "a niggardly rascally sheep-biter" ) and in my experience, it's now simply cut or replaced. For real? (Head hangs in disbelief of what the world has come to). While uncommon and probably quaint nowadays, it's not obscure enough that I didn't know what it meant in '99... and English is only something I learned by reading comics. I would argue that this is a typical case where the "offender" would be justified in asking any "offendee" to break open a dictionary or do a quick google search (or to read more Marvel comics penned by Stan Lee)! (Your examples were pretty funny!) I agree that language evolves, and that it is sensible to try and be as clear as possible unless our goal is to obfuscate or to tease the hippopotomonstrosesquippedaliophobes. I would however not remove "dildo" from a Shakespeare play, because it should be understood that in this context, the word probably means something else than in our modern parlance. However, even allowing for the evolution of language, it should be stressed that at any given time words have a certain meaning. More and more, when told I should not use this word or that word because someone else has decided that it meant something else, or that it carries some new and nefarious connotation, I have the impression of being on the other side of the mirror: “When I use a word,” Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, “it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less.”
“The question is,” said Alice, “whether you can make words mean so many different things.”
“The question is,” said Humpty Dumpty, “which is to be master—that's all.”Lewis Carroll was a visionary, as I do get the impression that current attempts to control speech so that they correspond to this or that agenda is an attempt to impose power... It was true in Orwell's 1984 too, and Humpty Dumpty called it. The meaning of words is something that evolves organically, not by fiat, and if a large number of people start using it in a certain way, it will take on that meaning; but a small group can't unilaterally impose its interpretation unless the majority allows it. To pick a recent example from the United Kingdom: yes, a gingerbread man has the word "man" in it, but that name has as much to do with patriarchal domination as «lady fingers» has to do with matriarchal tyranny. They're bloody cookies, for crying out loud. No sense in calling them gingerbread people or people fingers. That is quite true, and it's clear that seemingly innocuous words can be hurtful in a particular context. It is only the decent thing to do to refrain from using them in ways that could inflict undue anguish when we are aware that such might be the case. Don't talk ropes in a hanged man's house and all that. Say, that reminds me of another story. It was during a tennis tournament a few years back, and one of the players angrily shouted at the referee : "are you blind???" According to the press, some association of blind people was offended. The referee, I imagine, was hurt. Yet the word "blind" itself is quite neutral; it describes the reality of not being able to see. The offence came from using the word "blind" as an insult, as if blind people were an example of something inadequate. There is however nothing offensive at pointing out that blind people can't see (it's pretty much the definition of being blind), and it would be ridiculous to try to insult a blind person by calling them blind (unless someone is di&kish enough to rub their nose in it, but that's another matter). The referee, on the other hand, is supposed to see things clearly; calling him blind becomes an insult, because it means that his performance is less than it is supposed to be. The adjective "blind", in and of itself, is neither hurtful or offensive; it is its use that will determine whether it is a simple statement of fact or an insult. That is also true of a very large collection of words, and if we were to ban their use because someone, somewhere, sometime, can consider said word insulting, we will quickly lose our capacity to communicate. (Or, more likely, we will indulge in unending shouting matches about how we are all terrible people for using or for refusing to use this word or that one).
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