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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 30, 2018 10:28:47 GMT -5
But it’s alright...she apologized...lol Yeah, that's pretty bad. She should resign. Of course, when you read the story, it's not hard to be sympathetic with what she was angry about. Good catch, WM! |
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Post by Warmonger on Nov 30, 2018 10:36:08 GMT -5
Excellent! Even as a kid, I was so disappointed in Santa's nasty-ass attitude toward Rudolph. And I loved the way Comet nose-shamed Rudoplph in front of all the kids and Rudy's own father accepted it all. Those scenes + MAD magazine - Santa's insincere apology = cynicism at an early age... Rudolph’s dad should check his white-tailed privilege!  |
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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 30, 2018 10:37:14 GMT -5
But I never noticed that the elf murdered the bird that can't fly. That's too upsetting. I'm not sure I can ever watch it again because of that! I'm telling myself that the bird was given some of the Winter Warlock's magic feed corn (that makes reindeer fly) before being tossed out. Corn is a favorite food of House Sparrows, cowbirds, starlings, geese and other birds. |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 30, 2018 10:39:02 GMT -5
Excellent! Even as a kid, I was so disappointed in Santa's nasty-ass attitude toward Rudolph. And I loved the way Comet nose-shamed Rudoplph in front of all the kids and Rudy's own father accepted it all. Those scenes + MAD magazine - Santa's insincere apology = cynicism at an early age... My wife and I have been joking about Rudolph for years. The basic message is "conform or be shunned, until your difference makes you valuable, and then you will be exploited." One thing that wasn't mentioned is the treatment of the Abominable Snowman (aka The Bumble). He's obviously carnivorous, so when they yank out all his teeth, aren't they essentially keeping him from eating? Great for the assortes reindeer and elves, but not so much for The Bumble, who really is nothing more than a dumb beast following its animal instincts. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 30, 2018 10:41:32 GMT -5
But I never noticed that the elf murdered the bird that can't fly. That's too upsetting. I'm not sure I can ever watch it again because of that! I'm telling myself that the bird was given some of the Winter Warlock's magic feed corn (that makes reindeer fly) before being tossed out. Corn is a favorite food of House Sparrows, cowbirds, starlings, geese and other birds. PHEW! A No(se) Prize to you! |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 30, 2018 10:44:23 GMT -5
But it’s alright...she apologized...lol Yeah, that's pretty bad. She should resign. Of course, when you read the story, it's not hard to be sympathetic with what she was angry about. Good catch, WM! It's fine to be angry about it, as any compassionate person should, but she went WAAAAAY too far. Her apology was basically "I used the wrong words". No, you wished death on someone and their family; you used the wrong sentiment, not the wrong words. As for resigning, we've all said and done things in anger or a moment of passion, so I would give her a pass. Let the voters decide if she's worth keeping around, although one would have to think any opponent, within her party or without, will just play that video on a loop throughout the campaign. She's never going to escape it, but maybe she can use her remaining time in office to do good. |
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Post by impulse on Nov 30, 2018 10:47:45 GMT -5
But it’s alright...she apologized...lol That's pretty terrible... unless there's context that makes it clear it was a joke.. but even then, pretty bad. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Almost like that (hopeful? I don't know if she won) Mississippi Republican congresswoman who said she'd be in the front of a lynching. Now, the difference between the general Democrat discourse versus the general Republican discourse - I don't say that for whataboutism. I think both are awful and deserving of scorn. And another point for anyone on the Right who sees a lot of us on the left saying things expressing satisfaction that Trump is struggling, getting upset, getting in more trouble, digging himself further and further, etc. It is NOT that "libruls" want Trump to fail BECAUSE he is a Republican and are looking for all of these crimes as reasons to rag on him. It's BECAUSE of all the crime, the scandals, the awful stuff he says and does, and his crookedness that people are happy he is finally getting justice and not getting away with it all unchecked. In short, it's not about finding bad stuff to blame him for. It's being satisfied in justice for the bad stuff he already did. |
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Post by impulse on Nov 30, 2018 10:56:30 GMT -5
It's fine to be angry about it, as any compassionate person should, but she went WAAAAAY too far. Her apology was basically "I used the wrong words". No, you wished death on someone and their family; you used the wrong sentiment, not the wrong words. As for resigning, we've all said and done things in anger or a moment of passion, so I would give her a pass. Let the voters decide if she's worth keeping around, although one would have to think any opponent, within her party or without, will just play that video on a loop throughout the campaign. She's never going to escape it, but maybe she can use her remaining time in office to do good. Wow, so I did go back and find the story. There was a breakout of the same disease she is talking about that literally killed a bunch of veterans in a VA hospital, and this was an impassioned debate on the House trying to cut funding on damages to them, and this lady is a veteran herself. It sounds like a very personal issue for her, and she lost her cool and was basically trying to say "How dare you, I bet you would change your tune if this happened to YOUR family and loved ones. How would YOU LIKE IT?". So, I do believe she did use the wrong words to express her sentiment in a fit of understandable passion and outrage. That said, yeahhh... you can't say that stuff. This may bite her come reelection time. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 30, 2018 11:18:24 GMT -5
Nice research Impulse.. I was planning on doing that later. With that context, it's not SO bad, but still nothing a congresswoman should ever say, especially in are meme/sound bite world. I kinda agree that resigning wouldn't be unreasonable (not that politicans ever do that)
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Post by impulse on Nov 30, 2018 13:23:14 GMT -5
Nice research Impulse.. I was planning on doing that later. With that context, it's not SO bad, but still nothing a congresswoman should ever say, especially in are meme/sound bite world. I kinda agree that resigning wouldn't be unreasonable (not that politicans ever do that) Yeah, the conduct is inappropriate for the position, but it's easier to sympathize with a veteran being pissed off at people trying to screw over the families of other screwed over* veterans compared to, say, a congressional candidate talking about a lynching in the context of a race against a black opponent in f***ing Mississippi. Still not okay, but boy, those mitigating circumstances really do mitigate. *Read: killed due to seemingly horrendous negligence and/or incompetence |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 30, 2018 13:27:40 GMT -5
I've given serious consideration to writing a humor book about the Rankin-Bass specials. Because there is a lot of really messed up shit in them if you actually stop to think about it. Especially in Rudolph. And of course Faux News is now using people pointing that out in a humorous way as another battle-front in their made-up never-ending "War on Christmas"™ No...really...they are. You just can't make up crazy crap like this. Google "Tucker Carlson Rudolph."
It's sad. Sad strange little people.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 30, 2018 14:00:59 GMT -5
I went to a Christian school for two years that taught against secular appropriation like Rudolph and Santa Claus/Father Christmas... how they taught greed and materialism, and that Santa's letters rearranged spelled out Satan. They didn't want to know about theories that a historical Jesus might've been born in February or November and his birth repositioned to late December to take over earlier pagan or Celtic solstice traditions (mistletoe!). Anyway, I thought Gene Autry created Rudiolph... it was just supposed to be a fun song for the kiddies, probably some things went the way they did just to rhyme. In Canada we had a similar thing named Punkinhead the Christmas Bear (I think Wilf Carter, sort of our Gene Autry, created him, or at least sang the song about him)... his head was too big/head shaming and he cried... appeared on the Eaton's Christmas catalog every winter.  |
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 30, 2018 14:04:13 GMT -5
Trumpty Dumpty is gonna have a great fall...  Not one of Eggland's best eggs... "that I can tell you, believe me". Oh look, a white egg trying to look brown... notice the pale area where the tanning bed or spray booth goggles sit? |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 30, 2018 14:24:18 GMT -5
Nice research Impulse.. I was planning on doing that later. With that context, it's not SO bad, but still nothing a congresswoman should ever say, especially in are meme/sound bite world. I kinda agree that resigning wouldn't be unreasonable (not that politicans ever do that) Yeah, the conduct is inappropriate for the position, but it's easier to sympathize with a veteran being pissed off at people trying to screw over the families of other screwed over* veterans compared to, say, a congressional candidate talking about a lynching in the context of a race against a black opponent in f***ing Mississippi. Still not okay, but boy, those mitigating circumstances really do mitigate. *Read: killed due to seemingly horrendous negligence and/or incompetence Nope, sorry, I'll respectfully and vehemently disagree about the mitigation. The woman said: “To the representative from Lombard (Peter Breen), I would like to make him a broth of Legionella and pump it into the water system of his loved ones so that they can be infected, they can be mistreated, they can sit and suffer by getting aspirin instead of being properly treated and ultimately die.” She literally said that she wanted to murder his family in a horrific and painful way. There's no mitigating that. Making it worse, before apologizing, she lied and said her words were being "twisted and misrepresented" and "misheard". No, I think we all heard what you said loud and clear, and you said you personally would like to cause the family of Peter Breen to suffer and die. While Cindy Hyde-Smith's "public hanging" comment was all kinds of dog-whistly and tone-deaf considering her state and her opponent, she did not say she wanted to take Mike Espy out and hang him in the town square. I get that Representative Kifowit was passionate about the piss-poor treatment of the veterans and upset about the deaths that occurred, as she and all Americans rightfully should be, but we cannot hope for the divisive rhetoric in this country to abate if we start saying "well, if you squint hard enough, you can sympathize with her, especially because someone on the other side made really bad comments on a totally unrelated manner that made that person more unsympathetic." |
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Post by impulse on Nov 30, 2018 15:18:42 GMT -5
Nope, sorry, I'll respectfully and vehemently disagree about the mitigation. The woman said: “To the representative from Lombard (Peter Breen), I would like to make him a broth of Legionella and pump it into the water system of his loved ones so that they can be infected, they can be mistreated, they can sit and suffer by getting aspirin instead of being properly treated and ultimately die.” She literally said that she wanted to murder his family in a horrific and painful way. There's no mitigating that. Making it worse, before apologizing, she lied and said her words were being "twisted and misrepresented" and "misheard". No, I think we all heard what you said loud and clear, and you said you personally would like to cause the family of Peter Breen to suffer and die. While Cindy Hyde-Smith's "public hanging" comment was all kinds of dog-whistly and tone-deaf considering her state and her opponent, she did not say she wanted to take Mike Espy out and hang him in the town square. But she obviously did not literally MEAN that verbatim*. Come on, man, haven't you ever been in a situation where someone tries to turn something around so the other person understands? Because if that was an actual threat, what a completely bizarre and oddly specific threat. That's a far cry from "Let's take this outside and I'll kick your ass!" She twisted her own meaning and mangled her own words, but her meaning is clear. It is obvious through context she was trying to turn it around with some variation of "You would feel differently if this happened to you and your family instead of these veterans that this actually happened to you." In her outrage she OBVIOUSLY screwed the pooch on her delivery. Like, wow. We agree the words are awful and have zero place in our government, but that doesn't change that the context absolutely matters, and this soundbite culture that takes everything out of context is a huge part of the ugliness of the discourse. But elected leaders CANNOT say that crap. We completely agree on this. It sounds like they chose to strike it from the record and not interpret it as a legitimate and literal threat on the other rep's safety, but words have consequences, and this may come back around come election time. *based on the article I read, anyway. If she is a legit psycho otherwise I can't speak to that. I get that Representative Kifowit was passionate about the piss-poor treatment of the veterans and upset about the deaths that occurred, as she and all Americans rightfully should be, but we cannot hope for the divisive rhetoric in this country to abate if we start saying "well, if you squint hard enough, you can sympathize with her, especially because someone on the other side made really bad comments on a totally unrelated manner that made that person more unsympathetic." Okay, I am editing this proactively. Don't want to escalate the thread, and I have to be honest this part got me pretty upset. I don't appreciate the implication I'm just pulling whataboutism and saying it's okay because someone else said something bad too. That is obviously not what I am saying. I am not excusing what she said, but I do understand where she is coming from. I think she mangled her words in her passion and outrage, but she said what she said, and she will need to pay whatever price that ends up being. I can understand someone's actions without excusing them. I've been clear on what I think she very obviously meant, but public leaders need to be able to keep their cool. And I definitely do not understand or excuse a lynching joke by a political representative in Mississippi under any circumstances. Full stop. |
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