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Post by impulse on Nov 21, 2018 9:44:56 GMT -5
And here I was thinking the big news story in U.S. politics today was obviously Trump having the unmitigated temerity to pardon two turkeys! I mean... shouldn't he have had to recuse himself from performing that function.  Well, sorry to see people getting played by various slanted media again, and right before going into inter-generational family gatherings perhaps; somewhere in the boring middle is usually where the truth lies and it's usually not so dramatic or good vs. evil. It's not really a slanted or left/right thing. The fact Ivanka used a personal email account for official goverment business in the context of the cornerstone of her father's successful presidential campaign being railing against Clinton for using a personal email server for government business is astoundingly tone-deaf and looks beyond stupid. The optics are obviously terrible. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 21, 2018 13:23:15 GMT -5
The Ivanka hate-squad is free to bring in the FBI to determine that. They'd have to determine this on facts though, and not your acrimonious analysis of the woman.
For my money, it's not an Ivanka hate squad, it's just the lack of any back lash and obvious obfuscation of the issue is pure hypocrisy on the GOP's part. Is that using a personal email not sanctioned (for the lack of a better term) by the government for the purpose of government business in of itself the crime? Or the content of the emails themselves? Because if it's the former than The Captain's statement is true. If it's the latter I agree wiht Transcendentalmental's statement. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2018 14:32:48 GMT -5
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Post by impulse on Nov 21, 2018 15:59:26 GMT -5
For my money, it's not an Ivanka hate squad, it's just the lack of any back lash and obvious obfuscation of the issue is pure hypocrisy on the GOP's part. Is that using a personal email not sanctioned (for the lack of a better term) by the government for the purpose of government business in of itself the crime? Or the content of the emails themselves? Because if it's the former than The Captain's statement is true. If it's the latter I agree wiht Transcendentalmental's statement. It wasn't even illegal when Clinton did it. The FBI investigated her, what, twice, and didn't find any crimes? They basically said "this was really dumb and we don't recommend it, but nothing here was technically illegal." The GOP has been trying to take down the Clintons for decades, literally. If there was a trace of an actual crime they would have nailed them to the walls. And there is no Ivanka hate train. It's just the obvious observation that boy, it's dumb to use a personal email server for sensitive gov work when your dad made his political name attacking someone for using a personal email server for sensitive gov work. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 21, 2018 17:16:08 GMT -5
Is that using a personal email not sanctioned (for the lack of a better term) by the government for the purpose of government business in of itself the crime? Or the content of the emails themselves? Because if it's the former than The Captain's statement is true. If it's the latter I agree wiht Transcendentalmental's statement. It wasn't even illegal when Clinton did it. The FBI investigated her, what, twice, and didn't find any crimes? They basically said "this was really dumb and we don't recommend it, but nothing here was technically illegal." The GOP has been trying to take down the Clintons for decades, literally. If there was a trace of an actual crime they would have nailed them to the walls. And there is no Ivanka hate train. It's just the obvious observation that boy, it's dumb to use a personal email server for sensitive gov work when your dad made his political name attacking someone for using a personal email server for sensitive gov work. Thank you for the clarification. I understand better now. And I have to agree if it was dumb for Clinton to do it and she got attacked for it, it’s obvious there’s a bias in regards to Ivanka. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 21, 2018 19:42:41 GMT -5
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Post by impulse on Nov 21, 2018 20:39:52 GMT -5
It wasn't even illegal when Clinton did it. The FBI investigated her, what, twice, and didn't find any crimes? They basically said "this was really dumb and we don't recommend it, but nothing here was technically illegal." The GOP has been trying to take down the Clintons for decades, literally. If there was a trace of an actual crime they would have nailed them to the walls. And there is no Ivanka hate train. It's just the obvious observation that boy, it's dumb to use a personal email server for sensitive gov work when your dad made his political name attacking someone for using a personal email server for sensitive gov work. Thank you for the clarification. I understand better now. And I have to agree if it was dumb for Clinton to do it and she got attacked for it, it’s obvious there’s a bias in regards to Ivanka. I'm curious, why do you think there is a bias against Ivanka? In what way specifically? |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 21, 2018 23:11:43 GMT -5
Some people here are expressing incredulity that anyone could still support Trump. The incredulity goes both ways. I'm on another site, Quora, which has a more politically balanced membership, and I regularly see questions there like "How can anyone still be {liberal/anti-Trump/a Democrat} when things are going so well?" That argument will likely no longer matter when Trumps horrible foreign trade policies start effecting the economy. I'm not sure what else one would think is going well, because there's alot of issues out there that need addressing that are being handling either horribly or ignored. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 21, 2018 23:14:17 GMT -5
(But don't ask how many disguises I wore to vote over and over again. (Somehow.) My make-up kit looks Jimmy Olsen's, with several different-colored Groucho moustaches! I kept my disguises hidden behind a pile of forest rakes imported from Finland.) Now wait a minute, back when I lived (and voted multiply per election) in California, I also used the Jimmy Olsen kit precisely because it offered such a diversity of effective diguises: gorilla, Viking, hippie, wolfman, giant turtle man, human porcupine, human octopus (8 ballots at once!), Elastic Lad, Flamebird... Funny story, I took my daughter along with me to vote (she's 14), and the election worked tried to give her my wife's ballot. I was mildly tempted to do it and have my wife cause a scene when she went to vote, just to see if it would make the news, but then I opted (correctly) that good sense and domestic tranquility wasn't worth a prank |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 21, 2018 23:23:11 GMT -5
Guess what? Breaking the law is breaking the law, so if what Hillary did is illegal, then so is what Ivanka did.
The Ivanka hate-squad is free to bring in the FBI to determine that. They'd have to determine this on facts though, and not your acrimonious analysis of the woman.
Actually, based on the way the Mueller investigation is going, that's probably not true. That's not the point, though. It was already determined that it's not illegal, just dumb. Never mind that George Bush did the same thing and no one seems to care. The point is the hypocrisy. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 22, 2018 11:00:44 GMT -5
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 22, 2018 11:30:55 GMT -5
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 22, 2018 20:21:22 GMT -5
Now wait a minute, back when I lived (and voted multiply per election) in California, I also used the Jimmy Olsen kit precisely because it offered such a diversity of effective diguises: gorilla, Viking, hippie, wolfman, giant turtle man, human porcupine, human octopus (8 ballots at once!), Elastic Lad, Flamebird... Funny story, I took my daughter along with me to vote (she's 14), and the election worked tried to give her my wife's ballot. I was mildly tempted to do it and have my wife cause a scene when she went to vote, just to see if it would make the news, but then I opted (correctly) that good sense and domestic tranquility wasn't worth a prank I've got a better one, my wife and I are registered to vote where we currently live in Mass, but when my wife's father went to vote he saw that my wife was still listed as living at their address in Maine...and when we we're telling this story over dinner with my parents a week later my father laughed and said that both my brother and I were still listed below him and my mom despite neither of us living at home for over ten years. So while I'm definitely not one to believe that there's massive voter fraud in the US, I do think the voter registration system is way past antiquated and desperately needs a drastic overhaul. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 23, 2018 11:02:49 GMT -5
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Post by impulse on Nov 23, 2018 13:08:35 GMT -5
So while I'm definitely not one to believe that there's massive voter fraud in the US, I do think the voter registration system is way past antiquated and desperately needs a drastic overhaul. I would like to see nationwide automatic voter registration on your 18th birthday and have people update their info every year along with their taxes. There is no (moral) reason to make it so hard for people to register (aside from not wanting certain people to be able to vote). |
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