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Post by The Captain on Nov 20, 2018 9:00:21 GMT -5
Oh, look, Ivanka Trump used her personal e-mail account to contact Cabinet officials, White House aides and assistants, even after her father excoriated Hillary Clinton for the same thing during the 2016 campaign.
I'm sure we'll hear the rabid Trumpsters start the "Lock Her Up" chants at his upcoming rallies, since they're so concerned about national security and all, but HypoPOTUScrite will say that's not necessary, as he plans to give her a thorough talking-to, a firm spanking, and no dessert for a week.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 20, 2018 11:11:51 GMT -5
(...) as he plans to give her (...) a firm spanking ... Please, this is the politics thread, not the president's sick fantasies thread... |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 20, 2018 11:13:21 GMT -5
Oh, look, Ivanka Trump used her personal e-mail account to contact Cabinet officials, White House aides and assistants, even after her father excoriated Hillary Clinton for the same thing during the 2016 campaign. I'm sure we'll hear the rabid Trumpsters start the "Lock Her Up" chants at his upcoming rallies, since they're so concerned about national security and all, but HypoPOTUScrite will say that's not necessary, as he plans to give her a thorough talking-to, a firm spanking, and no dessert for a week. But heir e-mails. (I wish that was mine, but I borrowed it from Trevor Noah). |
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Post by impulse on Nov 20, 2018 11:28:42 GMT -5
As if it weren't already obvious no one on the right actually cared about the emails beyond being a tool to attack Hillary, here is the perfect spotlight to shine upon their hypocrisy. Not that any of their voters will care.
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Post by The Captain on Nov 20, 2018 11:57:28 GMT -5
As if it weren't already obvious no one on the right actually cared about the emails beyond being a tool to attack Hillary, here is the perfect spotlight to shine upon their hypocrisy. Not that any of their voters will care. I had to run a couple of errands this morning, so I turned on our local right-wing talk radio station, which plays the Glenn Beck show in the morning. Glenn is on vacation this week apparently, but the guys filling in for him were doing their best spin job on this situation. "Ivanka is just an advisor to the POTUS, not the Secretary of State." "Ivanka only did this with about 1,000 e-mails, while Hillary did it with at least 30K, not counting all the ones we know she destroyed." "Liberals are always engaging in 'you too-ism', taking a minor thing like this and making a big deal out of it because one of theirs got caught doing the same thing but only worse." I long for the days of when conservative meant "level-headed, fiscally-responsible, and less progressive" instead of "bat-sh$t crazy liars, thieves, and scumbags." |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 20, 2018 12:08:24 GMT -5
As if it weren't already obvious no one on the right actually cared about the emails beyond being a tool to attack Hillary, here is the perfect spotlight to shine upon their hypocrisy. Not that any of their voters will care. I had to run a couple of errands this morning, so I turned on our local right-wing talk radio station, which plays the Glenn Beck show in the morning. Glenn is on vacation this week apparently, but the guys filling in for him were doing their best spin job on this situation. "Ivanka is just an advisor to the POTUS, not the Secretary of State." "Ivanka only did this with about 1,000 e-mails, while Hillary did it with at least 30K, not counting all the ones we know she destroyed." "Liberals are always engaging in 'you too-ism', taking a minor thing like this and making a big deal out of it because one of theirs got caught doing the same thing but only worse." I long for the days of when conservative meant "level-headed, fiscally-responsible, and less progressive" instead of "bat-sh$t crazy liars, thieves, and scumbags." So the standard stuff from the "party of personal responsibility." |
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Post by impulse on Nov 20, 2018 12:26:34 GMT -5
"Liberals are always engaging in 'you too-ism', taking a minor thing like this and making a big deal out of it because one of theirs got caught doing the same thing but only worse." This part in particular is enraging. I don't have the adjectives to describe the heights of their projection and hypocrisy. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2018 12:32:57 GMT -5
Oh, look, Ivanka Trump used her personal e-mail account to contact Cabinet officials, White House aides and assistants, even after her father excoriated Hillary Clinton for the same thing during the 2016 campaign. I'm sure we'll hear the rabid Trumpsters start the "Lock Her Up" chants at his upcoming rallies, since they're so concerned about national security and all, but HypoPOTUScrite will say that's not necessary, as he plans to give her a thorough talking-to, a firm spanking, and no dessert for a week. on the View this morning Meghan McCain threw an absolute temper-tantrum on how this "isn't the same". . because Hillary had a firm delete her emails and destroy servers with hammers !!!!!!
such Hypocrites the GOP are. and you bet they are looking for anything to excuse, or distract from, this behavior.
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Post by impulse on Nov 20, 2018 18:20:14 GMT -5
The Washington Examiner is known for having a very strong right bias, and the email server thing was egregiously blown out of proportion then. The issue is the hypocrisy, not the emails.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 20, 2018 18:28:38 GMT -5
First daughter and White House senior adviser Ivanka Trump, has apparently taken after another blonde politician who relied on family ties to foray into politics. Yes, like Hillary Clinton, Trump violated government protocol by using a private email account for government business. But the similarities end there. Miss Trump didn't build an egregiously unsecured private email server in a Chappaqua basement bathroom with the specific purpose of circumventing FOIA requests while handling top secret and classified information as secretary of state. Miss Trump didn't then delete 30,000 of those emails when investigated by the FBI. And I would hope that she didn't do something as catastrophically moronic as have her aides smash her security-violating BlackBerry phones with a hammer and wipe her server. Nor did she give the classic, dishonest, and disingenuous response to the charge that made Hillary's scandal famous – "with a cloth?" What Trump did do is use a private email account, which likely is on a regular and secure server, to send a few hundred emails for her White House business. She did something wrong. Like Clinton, she claims that no classified information was ever discussed. Unlike Clinton, she might actually be telling the truth when she says that. For lack of a better term, Trump's move was dumb. Anyone who owes their job to nepotism ought to realize that they, more than anyone, need to toe the line and prove their own merit. But this isn't even in the same orbit as Clinton's lunacy. Trump defended herself against the Washington Post report, saying that she has turned over every last email to the White House, where they've since been added to government records, and now is in full compliance of federal protocol. There is one bit of her defense that's implausible. The Post reports, "She said she was not familiar with some details of the rules, according to people with knowledge of her reaction." That's a bit hard to believe, after a 2016 presidential campaign that focused so much on her father's opponent playing fast and loose with the rules, acting like she's above the law, and lying to protect herself. Might Ivanka have missed all that? It seems implausible. Even so, Democrats would be wise not to bring back the Hillary comparison. After all, what consequences did Clinton face? She was criticized, yes, and voters passed judgment on her honesty. But she wasn't prosecuted or even fired – or even denied her party's presidential nomination. As much as people think of her as a victim now, Clinton really did get away with it. The right really enjoys bringing up the smashing of the phones as some kind of flag of guilt...but neglect to also mention that it was the FBI's determination that destroying the phones was a prudent, although low tech, security decision. But hey, talking points from Fox are more fun right? |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 20, 2018 18:48:49 GMT -5
But hey, talking points from Fox are more fun right?
You'd rather I watch Don Lemonhead and Cuomo? (Isn't he the brother of the current Democrat governor of New York?)
The left-leaning mainstream media often pretends to be unbiased and balanced … but of course, anybody who pays attention to networks like CNN and MSNBC knows that nothing could be further from the truth.
I'd rather trust to the primary sources themselves, which as I said, determined that rather than being guilt of something nefarious the destruction of the phones was sound security as opposed to leaving them around or donating them like most people do when they get new phones. |
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Post by The Captain on Nov 20, 2018 18:57:50 GMT -5
For lack of a better term, Trump's move was dumb. Anyone who owes their job to nepotism ought to realize that they, more than anyone, need to toe the line and prove their own merit. For lack of a classier term, she's a f@#$ing moron. Her idiot father's entire campaign was built on Crooked Hillary and Lock Her Up and the use of personal e-mail for government business, and now Manhattan Bimbo Barbie pulls the same thing and says "oopsie, I didn't know doing this was wrong, tee-hee", which leads to one of two conclusions: 1. She's a complete idiot who should be no closer to the White House and an important role within the government than the girl who made my sandwich at Subway last week, because she has no clue as to the optics of her behavior, or; 2. She's a lying liar who lies, just like her lying liar of a father, and she knew exactly what she was doing because she knows that the mouth-breathers on the right don't actually pay attention to what their elected officials do as long as they keep cutting taxes (which don't ever trickle down to them anyway), promising to protect their precious Second Amendment, and putting judges on the bench who will rule against minorities and the LGBT community and abortion and all of the things the evangelicals claim are eroding 'Murica. Guess what? Breaking the law is breaking the law, so if what Hillary did is illegal, then so is what Ivanka did. There are no gradations, no "well, I may have broken the law, but that person broke it WAY worse than I did" defenses. Charles Manson couldn't argue that he should have been let out because while what he did was wrong, at least he didn't eat his victims like Jeffrey Dahmer did. Hopefully, we will only have to endure two more years of this crooked clown show before the American people wake up and realize that we all, conservative and liberal alike, have been sold out by the greatest shyster of our lifetime. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 20, 2018 19:45:30 GMT -5
Guess what? Breaking the law is breaking the law, so if what Hillary did is illegal, then so is what Ivanka did.
The Ivanka hate-squad is free to bring in the FBI to determine that. They'd have to determine this on facts though, and not your acrimonious analysis of the woman.
For my money, it's not an Ivanka hate squad, it's just the lack of any back lash and obvious obfuscation of the issue is pure hypocrisy on the GOP's part. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 20, 2018 19:47:43 GMT -5
And here I was thinking the big news story in U.S. politics today was obviously Trump having the unmitigated temerity to pardon two turkeys! I mean... shouldn't he have had to recuse himself from performing that function.  Well, sorry to see people getting played by various slanted media again, and right before going into inter-generational family gatherings perhaps; somewhere in the boring middle is usually where the truth lies and it's usually not so dramatic or good vs. evil. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Nov 20, 2018 23:52:46 GMT -5
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