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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 6, 2018 18:48:06 GMT -5
I finished Detective Comics #495 this morning! So I'm done with the Dollar Comics issues of Detective Comics. Overall, I think I liked the Dollar Comics run better in a bunch than when I was reading them one at a time, in no particular order, gathered over five or six years. From the last few issues, I especially liked seeing more of the Rogues Gallery. Batgirl tangled with Killer Moth, Robin foiled the plans of the Scarecrow and the Penguin, and Batman himself faced off with the Spook, the Riddler, the Crime Doctor and ... Sterling Silversmith! The Riddler story is not a great Riddler story, but it was unique for a number of reasons. The Riddler is leaving Gotham for fresh, Batman-less territory, and he can't help himself from leaving one last riddle for Batman. It's a toughie! Batman spends several days on it before Alfred, while serving cucumber sandwiches, looks over his shoulder and recognizes the riddle as a line from an obscure Gilbert and Sullivan operetta. The riddle has no answer that was ever given in the show, so the clue turns out to be the name of the character who spoke the line. (And I thought it made sense that Batman wouldn't know an obscure G and S operetta, but Alfred would.) I thought this very clever. Batman follows Riddler to Houston, and the Riddler is surprised Batman is on his trail, so he makes up several riddles on the fly, something I don't remember the Riddler doing that much. Nice art by Newton and Adkins, and writer Cary Burkett shows a flair for writing the Riddler's riddles. Also, Jose Delbo takes over the art on Batgirl as of #491. And there's a story where Man-Bat encounters a King Kong sized rat on the subway! Art by Romeo Tanghal and ... Vince Colletta. And much much more! The end of the Robin story in Detective Comics #495 indicates that Dick Grayson will be dropping out of college, and I'm guessing that's because he's moving into a new comic book soon! The New Teen Titans was advertised in the last few issues of the Dollar Comics era. It's the end of 1980. For some reason, I was thinking NTT started a few years after that.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 6, 2018 18:59:36 GMT -5
I read a few Golden Age Batman stories online over the last week or so. I already mentioned "The Case of the Practical Joker" from Detective #91. I read all the stories in Detective Comics #171. In addition to the Batman vs Penguin story, there was also Impossible But True (Roy Raymond), Robotman and Pow Wow Smith! I only read the Catwoman story in Batman #84, but I'm planning on reading the rest tonight.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 7, 2018 14:21:55 GMT -5
I read Detective Comics #497 this morning. Things are going a bit faster since I finished the Dollar Comics era. #496 featured the return (sort of) of the Basil Karlo version of Clayface. And #497 feature the first appearance of the Squid, who I kind of like. He was actually a pretty good character for the short time he was around, but I'm glad they never brought him back. Again, very nice art in #497 by Don Newton and Dan Adkins. The same issue contains the first issue of the "Barbara Gordon ... Murderess!" storyline. A congressional rival of Babs when she was a congresswoman has been killed and all the clues point to Barbara Gordon! If I was making a Top Ten Favorite Batgirl stories, it would mostly be Silver Age stories like Brave and the Bold #78, "The Batgirl-Supergirl Plot," "Batgirl's Costume Cut-Ups" and so on. And of course the Bronze Age storyline where she is elected to Congress. But "Barbara Gordon ... Murderess!" would be a contender.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 7, 2018 19:41:32 GMT -5
I didn't mean to get to Detective Comics #500 quite so fast! But it was pretty easy on a not-particularly busy Saturday to read #498 this morning and then #499 in the afternoon, and then I read the first story in Detective Comics #500. (It's quite a package. Aparo, Giordano, Infantino, I don't know who all. Also, a text story by Shadow-scribe Walter Gibson!) #498 and #499 feature a two-parter with Blockbuster. And I guess the big lug is growing on me because I really liked this story, in contrast to how I felt about it when I read it for the first time five or six years ago when I was fairly indifferent. Since then, I've read all of Blockbusters Silver Age stories, and the story here actually moves the character forward a little as he has somehow wandered to a West Virginia mining town and made friends with the miners, and there's a local crooked union guy and two competing factions and it gets TV coverage and Batman sees Blockbuster on TV and goes to W.V. to see what's going on. A nice change of pace for Blockbuster. These two issues also feature the last two parts of the "Batgirl ... Murderer!" storyline, and I like it as much as ever. I'll probably read the rest of Detective Comics #500 when I get home from work later tonight.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 15, 2018 16:12:37 GMT -5
I quit reading Detective Comics for a few days, partly because I was busy, but also because I got very interested in the latest CCF Podcast, devoted to The Brave and the Bold, and I read very little aside from The Brave and the Bold for a few days. Let's see, I read 53, 56 to 60, and 62 to 70. I skipped a few because I already read them (and I re-read a few that I haven't read for a while). I just have to read #71 to #73 and I'll have read all the issues covered by the second podcast (which I'm hoping shows up soon). When I got back to Detective, I found it pretty easy to read two or three issues during the day, so I'm up to #510 already. This is Gene Colan's first issue and he's inked by Klaus Janson. And the villain is the Mad Hatter! This is where they deal with the wildly differing looks of the two versions of the Mad Hatter by including some dialogue that there are two different guys running around as the Mad Hatter. This is the original Mad Hatter, from the 1940s. He admits he was in an asylum for a while, and there was a guy running around Gotham who stole his identity. The original Mad Hatter says he disposed of the fraud. In the previous nine issues, we had: #501 to #502 - Batman, Lucius Fox and Alfred got to France and find out that Alfred had a child with Mlle. Marie during the war. The daughter, Julia Remarque Pennyworth, will soon come to Gotham and join the supporting cast! #503 - A pretty good Scarecrow tale! #504 - A decent Joker story. #505 - Batman goes to Alaska to find the werewolf (who used to belong to his gentlemen's club, just like the Cavalier and Catman) from Batman #255. #506 to #507 - The Manikin! #508 - A crazy Egyptologist captures Selina Kyle (somehow) and takes her to Egypt to reincarnate her as his bride when he becomes Pharaoh. #509 - The Catman came back ... the very next day. And the Batgirl series has been plugging along. I liked the "hunchback killer" storyline quite a bit. It was nice to see Supergirl teaming with Batgirl for a few issues. (I had completely forgotten Linda was a soap opera actress for a time.) We're almost up to where I started buying Detective Comics pretty regularly. My first issue was #512, and I think that's where the bi-weekly storylines started with the continuity running from Detective into the next issue of Batman for about seven years. They're been tying the two titles together a little more closely as the subplots - notably the mayoral campaign (Arthur Reeves is such an ass) and Poison Ivy is trying to take over the Wayne Foundation's assets - have been mentioned in just about every issue lately. I have the issues of Batman from #340 and I probably should have started alternating Detective and Batman a few issues ago. I sometimes think this upcoming run - roughly Detective Comics #510 to #570 and Batman #345 to #400 - is my favorite Batman run. I've read it from start to finish quite a few times.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 19, 2018 17:01:46 GMT -5
After I read Detective Comics #510, I decided to read Batman #339 to #344 before going on because I'm very close to the point where the continuity in the main Batman books runs directly from the Batman comic right into Detective Comics. (I think it starts in Batman #345 which then flows directly into Detective Comics #512, and this very tight continuity between the two books goes on for several years, up to about Detective Comics #565 or so and Batman #400.) The continuity in the two books is already much tighter than it used to be because there are several developing subplots that are each given a little attention (even if it's sometimes only a couple of word balloons) in just about every issue. These subjects include, but are not necessarily limited to: Poison Ivy's hostile takeover of the Wayne Foundation's assets, the upcoming election for the mayor of Gotham City between Arthur Reeves (anti-Batman) and Hamilton Hill (anti-Gordon), a mysterious figure from the past showing up and giving Reeves a packet to influence the election, the departure of Selina Kyle from these pages (for a while), and the return of Vicki Vale. I then went ahead and read Detective Comics #511 (which tied up most of the loose ends not already tied up). So that's where I am. But I don't really want to talk about the series as a whole right now. I want to talk about Poison Ivy. I'm wondering when Poison Ivy became one of the top malefactors in Batman rogues gallery. Oh yes, she's hugely popular today (and perhaps suffering a bit from overexposure at times), but I don't remember her being such a big deal in the late 1970s. Probably my first exposure to Poison Ivy was her small role in the infamous "Where Were You the Night Batman Was Killed?" storyline in Batman #291 to #294. She was one of the members of the jury. Catwoman, the Riddler, Lex Luthor and the Joker were the "defendants." Ra's al Ghul was the judge. Two-Face was the "prosecutor." (Not really.) And serving on the jury with Poison Ivy were Mr. Freeze (who's much more popular today then he was in the 1970s), the Scarecrow, the Mad Hatter, the Spook, and the Signalman. It's kind of an odd mixture of almost A-listers (Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze) a pretty solid B-lister (the Mad Hatter) and then the Spook and then ... Signalman! Re-reading the Poison Ivy storyline in Batman comics from early 1981 and late 1982 made me kind of curious about Poison Ivy's trajectory as a major fixture in the Batman rogues gallery. I got to looking around on the Internet and was surprised at how few adventures she'd had as strictly a Batman villainess. She'd been around for 15 years in 1982 and has appeared about 20 times, but it's interesting (to me anyway) that she made so many appearances outside of Batman and Detective, in several issues of JLA, in the Secret Society, in the Rose and Thorn backup in the Lois Lane comic book, even fighting Wonder Woman in World's Finest during the Dollar Comics days. (And pretty much the only issue where I had seen Poison Ivy (aside from being on the jury in Batman #291 to #294) before I started reading the Batman books regularly in 1982 was her appearance in the DC Special where she joined up with an offshoot of the Secret Society of Super-Villains (Grodd, Bizarro, the Angle Man and Sinestro) to get revenge on their respective super-hero foes. It would have been GREAT to see her as a regular member in the regular SSOSV series.) Her plot against the Wayne Foundation in Batman #339 to #344 is very intriguing and well-planned, and I think she would have pulled it off except for the unforeseen little detail that Bruce Wayne is Batman! That Gene Colan/Klaus Janson art in the conclusion is sweet! I have read Batman #181 and #183 and I've read the Poison Ivy appearance in the Rose and Thorn backup, but I haven't read very many of her other 1970s appearances. I'm wondering if the ambitious scheme in Batman #339 to #344 marks a major departure in the way Poison Ivy operates. I'll certainly be taking a close look at her future appearances as I read through the next 400 (and more) issues of Detective Comics. The next important Poison Ivy arc that I remember is not that far away, during the Doug Moench era, in Batman #367 and Detective Comics #534.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 21, 2018 15:00:24 GMT -5
I'm up to Batman #345 and Detective Comics #512. This is where I came in. Around about 1981 and 1982, I was a little bored with some of the many Marvels I was reading, and so I dropped a few titles (Marvel Two-In-One and Marvel Team-Up come to mind) and started reading a few DC comics. Some of them I didn't read for more than a year (Action Comics, Superman) but there were a few (Green Lantern, Legion, All-Star Squadron) that I read for four or five years (or maybe a little longer). And I also started reading Batman and Detective Comics and read them fairly regularly up to Detective Comics #580 and Batman #410. I didn't want to read Batman every two weeks, but the continuity ran directly from Batman to Detective Comics, so if you only bought one comic a month, you would frequently miss half the story. So I would read a couple of storylines and then skip one if I wasn't really interested in it. So I had about two-thirds of the issues of Detective Comics from #512 to #545 before I started buying both comics every month. Around about 2011, I decided to fill in the gaps, and that eventually led to the monster Detective Comics collection that I'm trying to read now. This is my favorite long-term run on Batman. Especially after Doug Moench takes over the writing chores. Art by Don Newton and Klaus Janson and eventually Pat Broderick. Vicki Vale, Selina Kyle, Julia Remarque Pennyworth. And Nocturna! And of course all the major members of the Batman rogues gallery eventually show up. The Joker story is not such a great Joker appearance, but I love the Penguin story and the Riddler story is OFF THE HOOK! It's more like a parody of the Riddler formula ... I love it! And new villains! Chimera! Killer Croc! Black Mask! And the first appearance of Jason Todd! (He used to be such a nice boy ...) Batgirl is the backup feature up to #520. I didn't appreciate these AT ALL when I first read them in 1982. But Batgirl has grown on me over the years and I read them for the first time in a long time just a few years ago. Some of them I didn't remember. Nowadays, I really like the Batgirl series from this period. Then there's Green Arrow. I didn't much like the Green Arrow series during the 1980s, and it has not grown on me over the years. I don't read the Green Arrow stories when I re-read these issues. But this time around, I'm going to read them. I'm not looking forward to the Green Arrow stories.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 21, 2018 17:01:55 GMT -5
I forgot to mention that writer Conway was revamping and remodeling some of the storylines from the Batman stories in the early issues of Detective Comics. It was one of the things I thought was pretty cool about those 1982 issues. I had seen a reprint of the Monk story in Detective #30 and #31 (Is it in Batman from the 30s to the 70s?) and I knew about some of the other stories (like Dr. Death) because of Michael Fleischer's Batman Encyclopedia.
So I remember being at the drug store and looking at the spinner rack and thinking about expanding my reading a bit and I decided to see what was going on in the latest issue of Batman. And I saw Dr. Death on the cover of #345 and I remember thinking "Oh yeah! That's cool! That's the guy who had those bodyguards that Batman killed by snapping their necks or strangling them!" (Which doesn't happen in the 1982 version.)
And then it was continued in Detective Comics #512 and I had to but that two weeks later.
I didn't know until years later that this was the first time that the continuity in the Batman books was so tight that a cliffhanger in Batman would flow right into Detective. Before Batman #345, they were tightening up the continuity a bit by mentioning most of the subplots in every issue, but whatever cliffhangers there were would be wrapped up in the next issue of the comic where they had started.
Batman #345 was a really good place to start, but I wouldn't know that for years and years.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2018 17:58:43 GMT -5
I've been working my way through this era of Batman and really enjoying it.
I had to go find some of the Detective Comics issues (I read mostly digital these days) to get the full story and wouldn't you know it, they just released a bunch of them digitally.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 21, 2018 18:25:26 GMT -5
I've been working my way through this era of Batman and really enjoying it. I had to go find some of the Detective Comics issues (I read mostly digital these days) to get the full story and wouldn't you know it, they just released a bunch of them digitally. I just read Detective Comics #514 this afternoon. It's the one titled "Haven" and Batman is chasing Maxie Zeus and they crash in the snow. This is one of the issues I missed in the 1980s. I didn't read it until just a few years ago and it's pretty good! Very possibly the best Maxie Zeus story. And in the Batgirl back-up, Babs meets a lady who turns into a snake!
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 22, 2018 1:51:06 GMT -5
I read the Two-Face story in Batman #346 and Detective #513 a day or two ago and I wanted to write a mini-essay on Two-Face's career up to the early 1980s. But I'm pretty tired tonight, and I'm pretty busy tomorrow. But maybe I'll be able to give it a try tomorrow night. I read the first Paul Sloane Two-Face story while having a late-night snack after work. Paul Sloane's great! I like seeing Paul Sloane almost as much as seeing Harvey Dent.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 23, 2018 12:46:14 GMT -5
I'm up to Detective Comics #516 and I read the Batman story in Batman #350 but not the Catwoman back-up. Batman went to Hollywood to bust up a Crime Academy. Robin is stalking a beautiful woman who turns out to be a vampire! Alfred has hired Christopher Chance, the Human Target, to foil Vicki Vale's latest scheme to prove that Bruce Wayne is Batman. (I get why so many people hate Vicki, but she's grown on me over the years. I love it when she shows up at random in those Jack Schiff era Batman comics of the early 1960s.) Vicki's editor, it turns out, is a tool of Boss Thorne. Jim Gordon has been forced to resign as police commissioner but Jason Bard has taken him on as a partner in his private detective agency. (I guess Man-Bat didn't work out so well.) Catwoman has her own backup in the Batman series with very nice Trevor von Eeden art. Batgirl just got turned into a giant snake lady. (If I was writing Batgirl I would bring back Lady Viper SO FAST!) Yeah. This run is awesome! And lots of nice Ross Andru covers on both series lately! I'm getting ahead of myself because I still haven't written very much about Two-Face, but I have a few things to do today and a limited amount of time to do them in, so I'll just post the covers of all the comic books I had read with Two-Face in them at the time that I read the two-parter in Batman #346 and Detective Comics #513. And hopefully I can get to my Two-Face essay later in the week. This is probably the first time I ever saw Two-Face. It reprints a Batman comic strip from the 1940s that is a pretty faithful re-telling of Two-Face's origin. Not a bad place to start. Wow, did I love The Brave and the Bold the first year I was collecting comics or what! This two-parter is SO MUCH FUN! And probably the first comic I ever read where I actually liked Green Arrow or the Atom. I thought this comic was SO COOL! It's probably the first comic book I ever read where I liked Green Lantern. I had seen the Joker's Daughter in Batman Family, so I had to buy Teen Titans - just this once! - to find out what she was up to. Duela Dent is a very powerful reminder of how weird the DC Universe was in the late 1970s. And of course, I saw Two-Face in the "Where Were You the Night Batman Was Killed?" storyline. So the storyline in Batman #346 and Detective #513 was the first time I saw Batman vs. Two-Face in a story that wasn't an ancient reprint or a whacked-out tale of the Haneyverse.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 24, 2018 15:49:18 GMT -5
Here's something I keep forgetting to mention since I got up to the 1982 issues of Detective Comics where I started the series regularly when they were brand new.
The issues that I missed in 1982 to 1987 are bagged and boarded because I bought them as back issues around 2010 to 2012.
But about two-thirds of the issues from Detective #512 to #580 and Batman #345 to #410 in my collection are the actual comics I bought brand new off spinner racks at drug stores and grocery stores and newsstands from 1982 to 1987. For some reason, Batman #345 is in a comic book bag. But none of the rest of them are. They are just roaming freely in a comic-book box with nothing to protect each individual issue from the elements.
I should do something about that while they're still in such good condition.
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Post by Hoosier X on Apr 24, 2018 17:11:09 GMT -5
I've been talking about this Two-Face essay for a few days, and I am kind of busy again today, so I decided to just write it in installments. It's nothing fancy, just a few paragraphs on the career of Two-Face. Today, I tackle the Golden Age Two-Face. Harvey Kent (later changed to Dent) was Gotham's crusading district attorney, who was disfigured in court by one of Gotham's generic gangster leaders, Boss Moroni. Acid was hurled at Dent's face and turned half his face and one of his hands to green. The disfigurement unhinged his mind and he became Two-Face, a colorful Gotham crime boss with an obsession with the number "two" and a stubborn reliance on a two-headed coin that he flipped to decided between good and evil. Nowadays, he's quite an exalted figure in the Batman rogues gallery, right up there with the Joker and the Penguin. But before the 1970s, Two-Face was an interesting villain who appeared a little more than most Batman villains, but could hardly be considered one of the villains that defined Batman. Two-Face only appeared three times before he got plastic surgery in Detective Comics #80 and was able to go back to a normal life. (Possibly as a Gotham celebrity. It's a very weird place, you know.) In his next three appearances, Two-Face wasn't Harvey Dent. Twice, unscrupulous men pretended to be Two-Face in order to commit crimes and blame them on Dent. And in one of my favorite Two-Face stories, the actor Paul Sloane was disfigured by an explosion on a TV set while he was playing Two-Face. The accident made him a little crazy and he thought he literally was Two-Face. (I'm probably in a minority here, but I like Paul Sloane as Two-Face just as much as I like Harvey Dent. If I was writing Batman, I'd have them both running around, getting in fights at Arkham and maybe pitting them against each other for an extended storyline.) Eventually, somebody must have decided that the "fake Two-Face" plot was getting old ... so they brought back Harvey Dent in the role that made him famous, in 1954's Batman #81. This story "Two-Face Strikes Again!" is one of the more famous stories written by much-maligned Batman writer David V. Reed. And then Two-Face disappeared for a while. A long while. His next appearance is "Half an Evil" in 1971's Batman #234. So that's 17 years! I have heard that Two-Face disappeared for so long because of the coming of the Comics Code. It sounds plausible. So maybe it's true. If anyone has ever heard anything from a Batman editor that Two-Face was officially scrapped because of the Code, please leave a comment. I'm not so sure that it's not just a guess that sounds plausible. For one thing, I'm not totally convinced that Two-Face is such a frightening creation that comics-reading children had to be protected from his two-toned visage. I guess all it takes is one overzealous censor on the CCA board. But I'm not so sure that's what happened. For one thing, he wasn't a Batman villain that was used a lot, like the Joker or the Penguin or Catwoman. Quite a few Batman villains appeared two to four times and then disappeared for decades, and it seems unlikely that these villains disappeared because anyone feared objections from the Code. For example, the Riddler, the Cavalier, Killer Moth and the Scarecrow. (Well, I guess the same objections to Two-Face could cover the Scarecrow as well. But the Scarecrow's second (and last Golden Age appearance) was in the early 1940s, so he was long gone by the time of the Code. And I really find it hard to believe the Code would censor the Scarecrow.) I think it's just as likely that Two-Face's rather focused modus operandi might be a better explanation for why he disappeared for so long. How many times can Two-Face steal the payroll at a bicycle factory, rob the box office at a two-leveled theater showing a double feature of "It Takes Two" and "Two for the Road," and escape on a double-decker bus, a biplane or a two-headed donkey? David V. Reed's 1954 story bringing back Two-Face does a pretty good job of stirring things up a bit and expanding the m.o. a bit, I'll have to admit. Yeah, I don't know how many good Two-Face stories there were to wring out of the Golden Age formula. Or formulas, actually, because there were two Two-Face formulas! Crimes based on the number "two" and also the fake Two-Faces running around. Somebody would have to think of another way to deal with Two-Face before he could be a major player in the DC Bataverse.
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Post by chadwilliam on Apr 24, 2018 22:38:44 GMT -5
And then Two-Face disappeared for a while. A long while. His next appearance is "Half an Evil" in 1971's Batman #234. So that's 17 years!
I have heard that Two-Face disappeared for so long because of the coming of the Comics Code. It sounds plausible. So maybe it's true. If anyone has ever heard anything from a Batman editor that Two-Face was officially scrapped because of the Code, please leave a comment. I'm not so sure that it's not just a guess that sounds plausible. For one thing, I'm not totally convinced that Two-Face is such a frightening creation that comics-reading children had to be protected from his two-toned visage. I guess all it takes is one overzealous censor on the CCA board. But I'm not so sure that's what happened. I'm skeptical as well about Two-Face's disappearance being due to the Comics Code. The timing seems right - Batman #90 (March, 1955) is the first issue to carry the Comics Code seal and Two-Face last appeared in Batman #81 (February, 1954), plus since the writers went to the trouble of bringing Dent back after his story seemingly ended in his previous appearance it seems as though they had further plans for the character, but... There he is (well, Paul Sloane anyway) on the cover of 1962's Batman Annual (and beneath that giant 'Approved by the Comics Code Authority' stamp as well). Sure the story within is a reprint but even this is significant in that while the editors made an effort to redraw the panel in which Sloane's face is scarred by acid so that his injuries are now the result of an exploding klieg light, no attempt was made to soften Two-Face's supposedly gruesome visage. I do remember reading another Batman story from round about 1956 in which Batman is trapped in the Bat-Cave, needs to get out, and at some point, uses a giant bust of Two-Face to contain the explosion of a bomb. Again, not a new Two-Face story, but it doesn't really seem as if his likeness was off-limits at this time. Of course, Two-Face did make an appearance of sorts in World's Finest 173 (Feb, 1968) in which this time, it was Batman impersonating the criminal. So if DC had an embargo on the guy, it seemed to have been lifted by that point, and yet, we'd have to wait three and a half years for 'Half an Evil' to really bring him back. I can't really figure out what DC was doing with Batman's rogue gallery during the mid-50's. The Penguin disappeared for seven years between Batman #99 and #155; Catwoman took off after Detective #211 (Sept, 1954 - the same year Two-Face left the scene) and then made her big comeback twelve years later in an issue of Lois Lane of all places (#70); and of course, Harvey Dent is given the closure of finally getting the plastic surgery Batman's fought for him to receive, only to have that undo so that Two-Face can... sit around in limbo until the 70's. Considering the fact that The Riddler also suffered an absence of 19 years after Detective Comics #142 and the Scarecrow one of about 24 years until Batman #189, I wonder if Gotham just didn't have better prisons back then.
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