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Post by Confessor on Jun 2, 2022 5:35:24 GMT -5
Do we get “palette cleansers” from Marvel in the modern age? Everything seems to be tied into the latest arc/crossover. If the “palette cleanser” issue is an extinct concept in Marvel, that’s a shame. No idea. I don't follow the modern Marvel SW comics. I bought the first few issues, but felt they were rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2022 13:05:46 GMT -5
Star Wars #48Cover dated: June 1981 Issue title: The Third LawScript: Larry Hama Artwork: Carmine Infantino (breakdowns)/Carlos Garzon (finished art & inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Overall rating: 4½ out of 10 Read this last night. I completely agree with your views on convolution and plot holes. That said, they weren’t enough to detract from my enjoyment, even though it felt like I was reading the Star Wars equivalent of Hustle and Leverage. I felt a little burnt out by the Empire, erm, First Order by the time the newer SW movies had been released. I want a “detour” now and again. Now, I got a “detour” last issue, so it’s best not to have too many, but this one was loaded with flavour, a little akin to having a fresh wrestling match take place, rather than WWE giving us the hundredth match between their two top wrestlers. We’ve seen Luke against Vader, so it was interesting for me to see Leia battling Vader (in a sense). This comic reminded me of the way I use to create scenarios with the Kenner figures. My “reimagining” of Return of the Jedi saw Han Solo and Chewbacca battling Vader aboard the Death Star, quite a departure from the film. As a kid, I would utilise pretty much anyone but Luke against Vader, whether it be Lando, C-3PO/R2-D2, Jabba the Hutt, etc. So this issue felt a little like the “fan fiction” I used to engage in. I thought it was hugely enjoyable.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 3, 2022 18:21:42 GMT -5
Star Wars #48Cover dated: June 1981 Issue title: The Third LawScript: Larry Hama Artwork: Carmine Infantino (breakdowns)/Carlos Garzon (finished art & inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Rick Parker Cover art: Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Bob Wiacek (inks) Overall rating: 4½ out of 10 Read this last night. I completely agree with your views on convolution and plot holes. That said, they weren’t enough to detract from my enjoyment, even though it felt like I was reading the Star Wars equivalent of Hustle and Leverage. I felt a little burnt out by the Empire, erm, First Order by the time the newer SW movies had been released. I want a “detour” now and again. Now, I got a “detour” last issue, so it’s best not to have too many, but this one was loaded with flavour, a little akin to having a fresh wrestling match take place, rather than WWE giving us the hundredth match between their two top wrestlers. We’ve seen Luke against Vader, so it was interesting for me to see Leia battling Vader (in a sense). This comic reminded me of the way I use to create scenarios with the Kenner figures. My “reimagining” of Return of the Jedi saw Han Solo and Chewbacca battling Vader aboard the Death Star, quite a departure from the film. As a kid, I would utilise pretty much anyone but Luke against Vader, whether it be Lando, C-3PO/R2-D2, Jabba the Hutt, etc. So this issue felt a little like the “fan fiction” I used to engage in. I thought it was hugely enjoyable. Fair enough. If you really enjoyed the comic, that's great. For what it's worth, I've seen "The Third Law" turn up on at least a couple of Ten Best Stories From Marvel's Original Star Wars Comic lists online, so you're not alone. For me though, this is an issue that just hasn't aged all that well: I liked it a fair bit as a kid, but the older I've gotten the more I can see its flaws.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2022 14:30:50 GMT -5
Star Wars #53Cover dated: November 1981 Issue title: The Last Gift from Alderaan!Script: Chris Claremont Artwork: Walter Simonson (pencils)/Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks)/Alan Kupperberg (inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Shelly Leferman Cover art: Walter Simonson Overall rating: 6 out of 10 It certainly is at odds with what one expects from the SW universe. You mentioned John Carter. Agreed. For me, in addition that, it felt like a script better suited to Star Trek: TOS, with some Shakespeare thrown in. I don’t mind when Star Wars does something different, but there’s different - and then there’s different. This was a little too different for me.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 12, 2022 15:05:32 GMT -5
I liked "The Third Law." It was surprisingly comic, especially as Vader is involved.
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Post by tonebone on Jul 12, 2022 17:06:33 GMT -5
Do we get “palette cleansers” from Marvel in the modern age? Everything seems to be tied into the latest arc/crossover. If the “palette cleanser” issue is an extinct concept in Marvel, that’s a shame. No idea. I don't follow the modern Marvel SW comics. I bought the first few issues, but felt they were rubbish. I was not terribly impressed by the SW comics, but the first volume (25 issues, I think) of Darth Vader is pretty phenomenal.
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Post by Duragizer on Jul 12, 2022 20:51:07 GMT -5
Star Wars #53Cover dated: November 1981 Issue title: The Last Gift from Alderaan!Script: Chris Claremont Artwork: Walter Simonson (pencils)/Carmine Infantino (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks)/Alan Kupperberg (inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Shelly Leferman Cover art: Walter Simonson Overall rating: 6 out of 10 It certainly is at odds with what one expects from the SW universe. You mentioned John Carter. Agreed. For me, in addition that, it felt like a script better suited to Star Trek: TOS, with some Shakespeare thrown in. I don’t mind when Star Wars does something different, but there’s different - and then there’s different. This was a little too different for me. I liked it when Marvel SW would do different. According to old EU sources; the Old Republic numbered somewhere along the lines of a million worlds, with the Empire itself larger than that. And that isn't including the other territories outside the Republic's borders. Our own Earth is rich with cultural diversity; why wouldn't an entire galaxy be even moreso? One of my pet peeves with how the SW Universe's been depicted since the mid/late '90s or so is in how homogenous the aesthetics have become, both in EU works and in the films. No one's interested in stepping outside the box anymore.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 12, 2022 21:35:01 GMT -5
It certainly is at odds with what one expects from the SW universe. You mentioned John Carter. Agreed. For me, in addition that, it felt like a script better suited to Star Trek: TOS, with some Shakespeare thrown in. I don’t mind when Star Wars does something different, but there’s different - and then there’s different. This was a little too different for me. I liked it when Marvel SW would do different. According to old EU sources; the Old Republic numbered somewhere along the lines of a million worlds, with the Empire itself larger than that. And that isn't including the other territories outside the Republic's borders. Our own Earth is rich with cultural diversity; why wouldn't an entire galaxy be even moreso? One of my pet peeves with how the SW Universe's been depicted since the mid/late '90s or so is in how homogenous the aesthetics have become, both in EU works and in the films. No one's interested in stepping outside the box anymore. I do basically agree with what you're saying here about the rather homogenous nature of Star Wars generally in recent years. Plus, as I noted in my review, it's stated in this issue that the planet Shiva IV is on the very edge of the known galaxy, which I guess goes some way towards explaining why it's so different aesthetically to the majority of planets we've seen in the SW universe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 5:06:17 GMT -5
Star Wars #55Cover dated: January 1982 Issue title: Plif!Script: David Michelinie Artwork: Walter Simonson (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks) Colours: Don Warfield Letters: Joe Rosen Cover art: Walter Simonson Overall rating: 10 out of 10 I did enjoy this issue a lot. The Hoojibs are a unique race, and I thought it was all very credible. And different from so much else. It was intriguing how one of the rebels was so willing to intrude on them and their home, proving that even those on the side of good can exhibit tunnel vision. Liberators or conquerors? Sometimes the lines are blurred. Thank God for Leia.
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Post by Confessor on Aug 8, 2022 8:25:57 GMT -5
Star Wars #55Cover dated: January 1982 Issue title: Plif!Script: David Michelinie Artwork: Walter Simonson (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks) Colours: Don Warfield Letters: Joe Rosen Cover art: Walter Simonson Overall rating: 10 out of 10 I did enjoy this issue a lot. The Hoojibs are a unique race, and I thought it was all very credible. And different from so much else. It was intriguing how one of the rebels was so willing to intrude on them and their home, proving that even those on the side of good can exhibit tunnel vision. Liberators or conquerors? Sometimes the lines are blurred. Thank God for Leia. Yeah, I love this issue. It's a real classic. Brilliant writing by Michelinie: it deals with some fairly heavy themes (as you point out), feels effortlessly Star Warsy, and is a done-in-one adventure that still manages to move the series on in a significant way and has lasting effects. Plus the Simonson/Palmer artwork is gorgeous to look at and very effective at telling the story. I stand by my 10 out of 10 rating.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2022 8:31:48 GMT -5
10 out of 10 would be my score, too. Nothing wrong with it at all - and now I’m intrigued about Cloud City.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2022 10:02:38 GMT -5
Star Wars #56Cover dated: February 1982 Issue title: Coffin in the CloudsScript: David Michelinie (plot, script)/Walter Simonson (plot)/Louise Jones (plot) Artwork: Walter Simonson (pencils)/Tom Palmer (inks) Colours: Glynis Wein Letters: Joe Rosen Cover art: Walter Simonson Overall rating: 7½ out of 10 I read this one earlier today. I am in agreement with all of your review. So I won’t just rehash that. I will say this: if you ask me, this is the best-illustrated issue of this title so far. They’ve captured Lando perfectly, the colours all work, the vibe of Cloud City is all good, etc. If there was an award for art specifically for this series, I’d nominate this issue.
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Post by robm88 on Nov 4, 2022 10:01:34 GMT -5
Hey confessor, I love your reviews. I was reading all the EP 4-5 comics earlier last year, and even plotted out the various plot lines. I then lost interest in the line between #44-#50 with the constant change of writers and lack of an overall narrative cohesion.
In the past year, I've been reading different comics (various rebirth-era DC, modern marvel Starwars, and the complete run on the Knights of the Old Republic comic) but I found my way back to the Marvel Comics, and back to your excellent reviews.
I loved the long runs from both David Michelinie & Mary Jo Duffy, but I've been thinking about the "search for Tay Vanis" that happened in #72-#80 (but not in #78 or Annual #3)
Obviously we join the movie heroes through their journey to recover the plans, but I've been thinking how these events must have unraveled for the two missing rebels. Piecing together the backstory we get.
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Tay Vanis & Yom Argo were minor offices in the rebellion at the time of Yavin 4, They were both from planet Telfrey in the Iskalon system. (#74 backstory)
They returned home following a message from their family about increased Imperial activity (#74 backstory) Worried about a new Imperial threat or new superweapon, they returned home, and started fomenting rebellion sentiment across the sector. (#74 backstory) This led to a harsh Imperial crackdown, leading to the Telfrey holocaust, the complete subjugation of Gamandar & the murder of Iskalon's peace negotiations. As well as the deployment of sea troopers in Iskalon (#74 backstory) Tay, Yom & their droids were welcomed at Iskalon, and stayed there at the city of Pavilion. Tay even be-friending the Prince Mone (#74 backstory) Tay, Yom & droids eventually took on a mission to Gamandar. (#74 backstory)
On Gamandar, they found more information about the Imperial project, which led them to the Bothan system. (#80 backstory) In the Bothan system, they learned about the Second Death Star. And received the plans from the Bothans. (#80 backstory)
Here they go separate ways, with Tam planet hopping along a pre-arranged path, while Yom travelling towards the rebels via Lashbane. (#80 backstory)
Unfortunately Yom crash landed on Lashbane, and died. (#72 backstory)
Tay was being tracked by Vader, fleeing down his pre-arranged path to Kabray station, where he left a clue in a delegate room of his next location (#77 backstory) then onto 'Dennaskar" (world unnamed in comics) (#80 backstory)
Vader caught up to Tay on "Dennaskar", where Tay was shot down. Tay left the death Star II plans with his droid, LE-914, before Tay was then captured by Vader. (#80 backstory)
Vader then had a vision of Luke eventually rescuing Tay, so decided to keep his capture of Tay a secret, and use this to lure Luke towards him and waste the time of the rebels & his Imperial rivals on the fruitless search. (#80 backstory)
Vader planted his security droid, K3PX on the planet Iskalon, and informed Prince Mone's partner, Kendra, that her family would be spared if she sent further rebels to Gamandar to locate the droid K3PX. In hopes of capturing Luke again. (#74-76 backstory)
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After the search for the bounty hunters ran cold (#72) Luke & Leia were joined by the Zeltron, Dani. Rebel high command diverts the heroes to Lashbane, to follow up on Yom Argo. They confirmed that he crashed and perished, but they located his data tapes. (#73)
The rebels follow the trail, heading to Yom's last known location, the Iskalon system. (Although Dani leaves)
As Lando had a pre-existing friendship with the Iskalon leadership, they started their search at the city of Pavilion. (#74) Lando, Chewie, R2-D2, C-3PO & Prince Mone follow in Tay's footsteps, heading to Gamandar, in search of his heading or his old droid, K3PX. (#74-#76) Little did they know that they were being led astray by Kendra, right into a trap. (#74-#76) Luke & Leia stayed behind on Iskalon, which was attacked by an imperial missile. (#74-#76) Both sides were eventually rescued thanks to R2-D2's infiltration of the Imperial base. He managed to free Lando's party, get clearance flight codes for the Falcon out of the system, before Vader's arrival. (#74-#76) Lando's party went on to rescue Luke & Leia, however the diplomatic relationship between the rebels and the ruling family of Iskalon was shattered and the rebels were forced to leave. (#74-#76)
Upon arriving back at Rebel base, they find that the imperials are searching for Han Solo in relation to Tay's info. (#77) (This is never explained why, but did originate from Gamandar base, so may be a deliberate misdirect from R2 from when he was infiltrating the imperial, made to restart the search for Han Solo) The rebels also have a new lead on Tay. He was spotted in Kabray statio (#77)
The droids stay at the base to debrief while the rest go on separate missions. Luke & Leia mission have a mission to Kabray station, where they find Tay's message and continue to follow his trail (#77)
Meanwhile, Han & Chewie's mission takes them to Arcan IV, where they infiltrate a criminal gang to gain information on Han solo's location. They learn that he was recently transferred to Jabba the Hutt on Tatooine (#79)
Luke, Leia & C-3PO (#80) have a mission to "Dennaskar" where they find Tay's crashed x-wing, locate his droid and eventually Tay himself. He was held in Vader's cell, and was tortured and broken. A recording of Vader explains that he captured Tay, and foresaw Luke's eventual rescue into a force vision. He set it all up to waste Luke's time in a fruitless search. (#80)
Luke & Leia acquiring the plans from Tay's droid, before the droid sacrifices herself to mercifully put Tay out of his perpetual misery. (#80)
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Post by Confessor on Nov 4, 2022 16:47:29 GMT -5
Glad you are enjoying my reviews, robm88, and having lots of fun noting how the search for Tay Vanis unfolded. That period of the old Marvel SW comics is so, so good, and the issue where Luke and Leia finally find him is pretty powerful stuff. I know what you mean about issues #44-50 and the lack of an overarching narrative. This is likely because Archie Goodwin had already decided to leave the series to work on Epic Illustrated, while the new regular writer, David Michelinie, hadn't started yet. But that said, there are some pretty good "done-in-one" issues in this range, I especially like "Death Probe" and "The Dreams of Cody Sunn-Childe".
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2022 7:58:57 GMT -5
I read Star Wars #92 recently. The story was 40 pages long. Any particular reason we got a longer story?
I do like the post-ROTJ world in the comic. It’s all believable, whether it be Luke’s doubt about training potential Jedis, or the fallout of the Rebellion/Empire war. As the real world has sadly shown us, such as in Iraq, wars don’t have clean ends, the post-war world is often complex and dangerous. I think this is an aspect that the comic is definitely getting right.
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