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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 8, 2019 17:45:28 GMT -5
I still see them fighting in World War II (the sliding timeline can slide right into oncoming traffic). Yes indeed! Absolutely no reason why Cosmic Rays couldn't be the explanation for their slowed aging or immortality. Comic book reasoning Just Because! Not to mention that Reed, Ben, and Sue were all made physiologically younger in Fantastic Four #214.
Cei-U! I summon the precedent!
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 8, 2019 19:29:17 GMT -5
Fantastic Four Annual 1998 by Karl Kessel and Stuart Immonmen. The thing visits a parrellel world were the Kirby/Lee FF still live and have aged accordingly. This comic book had a profound effect on me. I could no longer deal with the sliding timeline. It made me feel that the Heroes of my youth were no longer the ones in the current books. The start of my abandoning the Big Two. The non-stop event obsession finished the job.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Nov 9, 2019 2:58:11 GMT -5
Fantastic Four Annual 1998 by Karl Kessel and Stuart Immonmen. The thing visits a parrellel world were the Kirby/Lee FF still live and have aged accordingly. This comic book had a profound effect on me. I could no longer deal with the sliding timeline. It made me feel that the Heroes of my youth were no longer the ones in the current books. The start of my abandoning the Big Two. The non-stop event obsession finished the job. I guess I'm lucky that I grew up with my dad's comic collection (Or comic store left-overs.) I could always see different eras of characters side-by-side, and so I never really expected any consistency of characterization. This is the only way to enjoy superhero funnybooks over the long haul. You have to be fascinated by the process of constant reinterpretation.
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Post by Duragizer on Nov 9, 2019 5:36:36 GMT -5
Fantastic Four Annual 1998 by Karl Kessel and Stuart Immonmen. The thing visits a parrellel world were the Kirby/Lee FF still live and have aged accordingly. This comic book had a profound effect on me. I could no longer deal with the sliding timeline. It made me feel that the Heroes of my youth were no longer the ones in the current books. The start of my abandoning the Big Two. The non-stop event obsession finished the job. I guess I'm lucky that I grew up with my dad's comic collection (Or comic store left-overs.) I could always see different eras of characters side-by-side, and so I never really expected any consistency of characterization. This is the only way to enjoy superhero funnybooks over the long haul. You have to be fascinated by the process of constant reinterpretation. That's why I love What If?/Elseworlds-type stories. They can be a mixed bag, but at least they're not constrained by turgid continuity, and they don't tend to run on indefinitely. They're the only modern Big Two comics I'll read.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 9, 2019 7:04:02 GMT -5
That's why I love What If?/Elseworlds-type stories. They can be a mixed bag, but at least they're not constrained by turgid continuity, and they don't tend to run on indefinitely. They're the only modern Big Two comics I'll read. To some extent, that applies to me as well. When I got back into comics in the mid-'00s after a roughly 15-year hiatus, one thing I immediately latched onto were the DC Elseworlds books and I read a bunch of them; I was familiar with the characters, but didn't have to worry about all of the continuity I had missed.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 9, 2019 9:31:34 GMT -5
I suppose I am a victim of my childhood. I grew up with these books and they were very real to me. (Any good literature needs the characters to feel real)Part of their attraction was their story went along as I grew older. We shared a past, more or less. Though I continues to read them for decades, at some point their past and mine no longer aligned. Peter Parker hanging out in Greenwich Village of the 60s, Tony Stark in Viet Nam, WWII war heroes Reed and Ben. Their "realness" was lost and the problematic continuity of their Universe was no longer something I could willingly disbelieve. I still enjoyed the books, but more as independent fantasy stories. The Annual I posted above brought home what I was feeling, but had not yet named. "My superheroes" were not the same as the current super heroes. This contributed to my leaving Marvel and DC, but the main reason was their obsession with giant, all-encompassing events that became tiresome.
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 9, 2019 12:46:54 GMT -5
When Kitty Pryde appeared in the first X-Men comic I bought she was slightly older than me, now for all I know I could be her grandmother (however barely)... good lord 'choke'... I think it is great for awhile when you can buy-in to the super 'universes'... but if you stick around eventually gravity will get you.
The 'events' where you can opt out, or not buy every single issue of each title that is tied-in I guess are not so bad, but it was the extreme lengths at trying to manipulate fans into buying more and more stuff 'or else' that would naturally start to make you feel treated badly. I'm looking at these 'Maximum Security' cross-overs from the 1999-2000 Marvels and thinking maybe a third of the comics with that banner on the top. I remember all the Secret Wars stuff in the mid-'80s being really manipulative and crass... that really rubbed me the wrong way both times, and yet I see people cite that as some great time for them buying comics. I think Secret Wars I & II were garbage, just an extended Contest Of Champions with a Korvac re-run (and that Korvac 'saga' was no great highlight to me). I was glad I missed all the apocalypses and massacres and so forth they pulled... because it worked way too well for them on the junky Secret Wars, that's why! One person's gimmicky garbage is another's historic treasure. They saw all the attention from Phoenix and Elektra dying and next thing every other superheroine is killed off, lots of dead chicks on the covers... "historic last appearance, buy a dozen". '70s and early '80s comics had letters from female readers... after that they get rarer.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 13, 2019 12:34:39 GMT -5
Fantastic Four Annual 1998 by Karl Kessel and Stuart Immonmen. The thing visits a parrellel world were the Kirby/Lee FF still live and have aged accordingly. This comic book had a profound effect on me. I could no longer deal with the sliding timeline. It made me feel that the Heroes of my youth were no longer the ones in the current books. The start of my abandoning the Big Two. The non-stop event obsession finished the job.
Oh really? I actually loved this story. But then, I had grown up with annual JLA/JSA crossovers in which the JLA clearly had a floating timeline and the JSA didn't.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 13, 2019 13:28:48 GMT -5
Fantastic Four Annual 1998 by Karl Kessel and Stuart Immonmen. The thing visits a parrellel world were the Kirby/Lee FF still live and have aged accordingly. This comic book had a profound effect on me. I could no longer deal with the sliding timeline. It made me feel that the Heroes of my youth were no longer the ones in the current books. The start of my abandoning the Big Two. The non-stop event obsession finished the job.
Oh really? I actually loved this story. But then, I had grown up with annual JLA/JSA crossovers in which the JLA clearly had a floating timeline and the JSA didn't.
I loved this comic too. My complaint about the sliding timeline was the whole Marvel Universe had a sliding timeline to keep the characters the same age. Not the time shifts in the FF Annual.
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Post by brutalis on Nov 14, 2019 7:47:01 GMT -5
I absolutely love: the Marvel Western heroes. As a youth I had only known of Kid Colt, Rawhide Kid, Two-Gun Kid, Night/Ghost Rider and Red Wolf. Then over the years I began finding out about all the others I had never seen or heard of before: The Outlaw Kid, The Ringo Kid, Matt Slade, The Apache Kid, Gunhawk(s), Black Rider, Wyatt Earp, The Western Kid and the solo book of Caleb Hammer in Marvel Premiere. Of course these were and still are hard to find gems out her in the wild and woolly west of Arizona. So over the long years i have only managed to finding the occasional inexpensive issue until the last few years with purchases via the internet.
Most of the Marvel western heroes are hold overs from the 40's and 50's heyday of the western when the good guys were good and the bad guys were bad with the heroes having the fastest guns around. So much of these are rather hokey and corny B-Western movie style comics. They were solid sellers if not big names and their stories were reprinted endlessly. Much of the comics are purely aimed for the juvenile entertainment with little to no adult style stories or actions and yet occasionally they would have truer to life tales. I truly adore these cowpokes of the prairie whose adventures reflect a different time and age of innocence that many children of today will never know of.
These comic books I am only just now finding in my later adult life now are some of my favorite books to pick up and read. And thanks to the internet and conservation sites there are lots more old western comics for me to explore in reading online. Series that I have never seen in any comic store or if I have they are far too expensive as collectible items. A great time today to appreciate the artistry of the long ago western comics that used to be found every where and now are seldom seen or spoken of.
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Post by profh0011 on Nov 14, 2019 15:45:10 GMT -5
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Post by brutalis on Nov 14, 2019 17:31:12 GMT -5
IF I had access to those from Magazine Enterprises I would be a happy camper. Closest I get are the AC Comics reprints that Bill Black does. Have a handful of those and looking to purchase more. I have been more actively trying to remind myself to search online for a lot of these golden oldies to enjoy. Never enough time to doing all the things you want to.
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Post by profh0011 on Nov 14, 2019 19:12:37 GMT -5
I don't think I have a single one in my collection... but... here's a TON of them posted online...
"Never enough time to doing all the things you want to."
No kidding!
Bill Black really increased my awareness of ME's books with his AC books. What blew my mind was finding out that Black had been publishing his own comics since the late 60s, first as Paragon Publications, then Americomics, then AC Comics. It was always a side job for him, as he worked full-time in film production. In recent years, he's begun producing direct-to-DVD movies based on HIS OWN characters. He's definitely one of my heroes!
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Post by beccabear67 on Nov 14, 2019 20:30:09 GMT -5
I think the first time I saw the name Bill Black was on a What If (a 1950s Avengers) as inker. I know I bought Americomics #1 long ago for the George Perez art, a Nightveil and a Ms. Victory comic, and a portfolio of some kind that had a John Byrne drawn Black Queen Jean Grey among others... I might still have these someplace. AC must have duracell batteries to still be going!
Westerns were biggest in comics in the '50s. Fawcett, DC, Atlas, Avon... maybe only Archie didn't publish cowboy titles? I wouldn't be surprised if they did though. I had a smattering of '50s DC westerns so those are the ones I'd be most tempted to get into heavily. There was Gil Kane art in some of the ones I had. Didn't Don Heck do some nice work on the Marvel western titles? Did they ever get John Severin roped in on any?
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 14, 2019 21:39:16 GMT -5
I love that a blanket like this could exist in this world. Too bad they want 70 bucks for it...
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