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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2014 21:29:03 GMT -5
I remember the thrill of reading the first Superman/Spider-Man crossover in that HUGE Treasury edition in 1976. Then a few other crossovers followed over the next few years. The 90's brought multiple crossovers culminating in the JLA/Avengers crossover in 2003.
However my all time favorite crossover was Bryne's Batman/Capt America (1996). It is probably my favorite comic book...ever.
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Post by hondobrode on Sept 2, 2014 21:57:32 GMT -5
Yes, the Cap / Batman one was really great, and I loved this one as well. Pitch perfect for both characters.  |
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Post by berkley on Sept 2, 2014 22:08:32 GMT -5
The only one I've read is the most recent one, the JLAvengers mini from Kurt Busiek and George Perez. I liked the artwork and mostly disliked the story, in large part for a reason that would apply to any Marvel-DC crossover rather than just this particular one: that is, I'm not nearly as interested in the DC characters as I am in the Marvel, so for me the former are just taking up panel space and story-time that I'd rather see devoted to the latter. If I had been in charge, it would have been "JLAvengers, featuring ... THE AVENGERS!", full stop; which, for some reason, I fear most fans wouldn't go along with.
The exception to the above would be the New Gods, but except for Darkseid they're marginal characters in the DCU and thus aren't likely to get much attention in something like JLAvengers. Besides, all the reasons that I don't think they work very well within the DCU would likely apply to a DC-Marvel crossover as well.
Another problem is that most superhero writers seem to value the DC icons, especially Superman, first and foremost over everything else - you even see it within the MU itself with all the Superman analogues they keep coming up with. If I never see another scene with Superman or Nefaria or Sentry or whoever showing one of the more powerful Marvel heroes (usually one of the MU superhero-gods like Thor) just who is "the most powerful superhero of all" it'll be fine with me.
A related issue is the whole idea that the Marvel heroes in general are less powerful than their DC counterparts. I think that has to be thought about with a little more subtlety if you're to avoid elevating the latter at the expense of the former.
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Post by Action Ace on Sept 2, 2014 23:45:50 GMT -5
The only one I've read is the most recent one, the JLAvengers mini from Kurt Busiek and George Perez. I liked the artwork and mostly disliked the story, in large part for a reason that would apply to any Marvel-DC crossover rather than just this particular one: that is, I'm not nearly as interested in the DC characters as I am in the Marvel, so for me the former are just taking up panel space and story-time that I'd rather see devoted to the latter. If I had been in charge, it would have been "JLAvengers, featuring ... THE AVENGERS!", full stop; which, for some reason, I fear most fans wouldn't go along with. The exception to the above would be the New Gods, but except for Darkseid they're marginal characters in the DCU and thus aren't likely to get much attention in something like JLAvengers. Besides, all the reasons that I don't think they work very well within the DCU would likely apply to a DC-Marvel crossover as well. Another problem is that most superhero writers seem to value the DC icons, especially Superman, first and foremost over everything else - you even see it within the MU itself with all the Superman analogues they keep coming up with. If I never see another scene with Superman or Nefaria or Sentry or whoever showing one of the more powerful Marvel heroes (usually one of the MU superhero-gods like Thor) just who is "the most powerful superhero of all" it'll be fine with me. A related issue is the whole idea that the Marvel heroes in general are less powerful than their DC counterparts. I think that has to be thought about with a little more subtlety if you're to avoid elevating the latter at the expense of the former. I would be on the opposite side of that, I like very few Marvel characters. JLA/ Avengers was pretty good, but I think I would have preferred that they just used the main classic lineups from back in the day. That would have eliminated most of the stiffs that have inexplicably found their way onto these teams in the last few decades. Unfortunately, I still would have had to put up with the likes of Thor and Hawkeye. Off the top of my head... 1. Batman and Captain America 2. JLA/ Avengers 3. Superman and Spider-Man (1981) 4. Superman vs. Spider-Man (1976) 5. DC vs Marvel if I can toss in the Amalgam issues 6. Superman vs. The Incredible Hulk 7. Batman vs. The Incredible Hulk 8. Unlimited Access 9. Superman/ Fantastic Four I think that's it for the ones I liked. I'd like to have one good Batman/ Spidey crossover. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 3, 2014 0:01:12 GMT -5
Was there not a Batman/Spider-man crossover that teamed Kingpin and Ras together against them? Or are you just saying for you there hasn't been a good one published?
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Post by Action Ace on Sept 3, 2014 0:14:06 GMT -5
Was there not a Batman/Spider-man crossover that teamed Kingpin and Ras together against them? Or are you just saying for you there hasn't been a good one published? For me, there hasn't been a good one published. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2014 0:37:38 GMT -5
I enjoyed the Busiek/Perez Avengers JLA, but from what I saw of the unpublished Perez pencils, I would have liked the story from the scrapped first attempt more. Of those that were published, my favorites are...  and...  from the Amagam books. -M |
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Post by Confessor on Sept 3, 2014 5:43:57 GMT -5
I really don't like DC/Marvel crossovers as a rule. All the ones I've read -- and there have been several including the Kurt Busiek JLA/Avengers four-parter and the classic mid-'70s Superman/Spider-Man issue drawn by Ross Andru -- come off as little more than fanboy jerk off sessions. I'm a really big Busiek fan, but I have to say his JLA/Avengers mini is probably the only thing of his that I thought totally sucked. I think part of the trouble with company crossovers is that there's just two much fawning over the respective hero's abilities, with nobody seeming to want to favour one character or the other. Most of these things read like, "Honestly Superman...you're the best!", "Oh no, Spider-Man...really, you're the best!", "Well, thanks a lot, Superman, but we all know that you're just the greatest." etc etc. You can really sense the DC/Marvel editorial and the writers trying desperately not to favour one company's heroes over the other. I find that deeply irritating. The other problem with DC/Marvel crossovers that I have is that, as a comic reader, I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in who would win a fight between Superman and Spider-Man or any other combination of superheroes. I realise I may be in the minority here, but these crossovers inevitably pander to such fanboyish concerns and that just leaves me cold. I guess if I was forced to name a favourite comic that was jointly published by DC and Marvel, I'd go with the Wizard of Oz treasury...  |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 3, 2014 5:53:09 GMT -5
X-Men / Teen Titans was very well done and could easily have been canon for both universes. It used the Phoenix in a way that did not diminish X-Men #137 and made Darkseid far more awesome than in other post-New Gods appearances. A cool little book!
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Post by DE Sinclair on Sept 3, 2014 11:49:18 GMT -5
For me, it would be a toss-up between the Batman/Captain America and X-Men/Titans crossovers. Both extremely well done by classic creators that really got all the characters.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 3, 2014 12:46:02 GMT -5
I really don't like DC/Marvel crossovers as a rule. All the ones I've read -- and there have been several including the Kurt Busiek JLA/Avengers four-parter and the classic mid-'70s Superman/Spider-Man issue drawn by Ross Andru -- come off as little more than fanboy jerk off sessions. I'm a really big Busiek fan, but I have to say his JLA/Avengers mini is probably the only thing of his that I thought totally sucked. I think part of the trouble with company crossovers is that there's just two much fawning over the respective hero's abilities, with nobody seeming to want to favour one character or the other. Most of these things read like, "Honestly Superman...you're the best!", "Oh no, Spider-Man...really, you're the best!", "Well, thanks a lot, Superman, but we all know that you're just the greatest." etc etc. You can really sense the DC/Marvel editorial and the writers trying desperately not to favour one company's heroes over the other. I find that deeply irritating. The other problem with DC/Marvel crossovers that I have is that, as a comic reader, I have absolutely no interest whatsoever in who would win a fight between Superman and Spider-Man or any other combination of superheroes. I realise I may be in the minority here, but these crossovers inevitably pander to such fanboyish concerns and that just leaves me cold. I guess if I was forced to name a favourite comic that was jointly published by DC and Marvel, I'd go with the Wizard of Oz treasury... A lot of this is why I liked both volumes of Amalgam comics, because they were new character with aspects of one DC character and one Marvel. So you get good books, to me, like Legends of Darkclaw, Doc Strangefate, JLX, Bullets and Bracelets, X-Patrol and Magento and his Magnetic Men. With cool villains like Fing Fang Flame, Brother Blood and Thanosied (though the latter lacking much imagination on the name, though I guess that may apply to a lot)that at the time for me, introduced me to many lesser exposed characters and villains from both publishers, trying to figure out what some of them were amalgams of. |
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Post by dupersuper on Sept 3, 2014 20:06:44 GMT -5
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Post by Prince Hal on Sept 3, 2014 21:57:01 GMT -5
Captain America and Batman was excellent.  |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Sept 4, 2014 6:50:08 GMT -5
Byrne's Batman and Cap was indeed excellent. I think it ranks among his best work. I think my favorite crossover in terms of art is Batman vs The Incredible Hulk. Gorgeous Jose Luis Garcia Lopez art.
I need to read JLA/Avengers again. I'm a fan of Busiek and Perez, but I remember that my first impression of it was that Busiek allowed his inner fanboy to rise to surface a bit too much at times. That said, crossovers should be fun first and foremost and I did enjoy the ride.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 4, 2014 8:43:49 GMT -5
I guess I need to pull that Batman and Cap out of the box and read it again, for all the positive posts it's getting. For some reason I remembered nothing of it until Prince Hal posted the cover, and I was like ... I have that comic!
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