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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 20:49:15 GMT -5
DC & Marvel (& other companies) have had similar characters over the last 80 yrs. In this thread I want to name similar heroes from separate companies & then explain why you favor one over another.
Examples: Green Arrow (DC)/Hawkeye (Marvel)-GA is better because of his goatee. XO Manowar (Valiant)/Iron Man (Marvel) - XO is better because he is a warrior.
Aquaman (DC)/Namor (Marvel).
Both are Kings of Atlantis. Both are a human/Atlantean hybrid. Both have super strength & speed. Aquaman can communicate with sea life. Namor can fly.
Namor is an anti-hero yet he has belonged to several groups. The Invaders. The Defenders. The Avengers.
Aquaman is more of a team player yet has only been part of the JLA. However he has mentored proteges like Garth.
Namor is feared by mankind. Aquaman is not.
Even though Namor predates Aquaman I prefer Aquaman. I think he has had more varied adventures over the years. Namor is more of a one note character. Angry yet noble.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 5, 2017 20:57:37 GMT -5
DC & Marvel (& other companies) have had similar characters over the last 80 yrs. In this thread I want to name similar heroes from separate companies & then explain why you favor one over another.
Examples: Green Arrow (DC)/Hawkeye (Marvel)-GA is better because of his goatee. XO Manowar (Valiant)/Iron Man (Marvel) - XO is better because he is a warrior.
Aquaman (DC)/Namor (Marvel).
Both are Kings of Atlantis. Both are a human/Atlantean hybrid. Both have super strength & speed. Aquaman can communicate with sea life. Namor can fly.
Namor is an anti-hero yet he has belonged to several groups. The Invaders. The Defenders. The Avengers.
Aquaman is more of a team player yet has only been part of the JLA. However he has mentored proteges like Garth.
Namor is feared by mankind. Aquaman is not.
Even though Namor predates Aquaman I prefer Aquaman. I think he has had more varied adventures over the years. Namor is more of a one note character. Angry yet noble.
Namor in Bill Everett's hands was more nuanced; but, in other's you have a different story. I preferred Aquaman in very select hands, particularly Cardy of Aparo on art (Don Newton, too). Steve Skeates on writing was a plus. |
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 5, 2017 21:04:33 GMT -5
Most people equate Thor to Superman; but, I think Captain Marvel is more appropriate: mortal who is transformed by magic lightning into a superhuman, weak/disabled alter ego, mythological connection. Don Blake is a combination of Billy Batson and Freddy Freeman, who is transformed by magic into the god of thunder. Billy is transformed by magic into the World's Mightiest Mortal, drawing powers from a collection of gods and heroes. Both had adventures in a fantasy world, at times, with an opposite number who was family, of a sort. I prefer Captain Marvel, as he had some of the best stories of the Golden Age, which still really hold up well. Thor I prefer when he is in more mythical settings, like Kirby's Tales of Asgard stories and similar fare. When he was more of a standard superhero, with the pompous speech patterns, I always found it boring. The Big Red Cheese was best when it was kept light and whimsical, though never treated as a joke. There was an internal logic to things. When they tried to make him more of a conventional superhero, it rarely worked. Neither hero is a Superman-style hero, despite similarities in power. They are heroes of other realms.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 21:25:56 GMT -5
Namor in Bill Everett's hands was more nuanced; but, in other's you have a different story. I preferred Aquaman in very select hands, particularly Cardy of Aparo on art (Don Newton, too). Steve Skeates on writing was a plus. Good point. I agree Namor was brilliant by Everett. By other creator's not so great. IMO Aquaman has had great runs by a variety of creators. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 21:28:40 GMT -5
Most people equate Thor to Superman; but, I think Captain Marvel is more appropriate: mortal who is transformed by magic lightning into a superhuman, weak/disabled alter ego, mythological connection. Don Blake is a combination of Billy Batson and Freddy Freeman, who is transformed by magic into the god of thunder. Billy is transformed by magic into the World's Mightiest Mortal, drawing powers from a collection of gods and heroes. Both had adventures in a fantasy world, at times, with an opposite number who was family, of a sort. I prefer Captain Marvel, as he had some of the best stories of the Golden Age, which still really hold up well. Thor I prefer when he is in more mythical settings, like Kirby's Tales of Asgard stories and similar fare. When he was more of a standard superhero, with the pompous speech patterns, I always found it boring. The Big Red Cheese was best when it was kept light and whimsical, though never treated as a joke. There was an internal logic to things. When they tried to make him more of a conventional superhero, it rarely worked. Neither hero is a Superman-style hero, despite similarities in power. They are heroes of other realms. Great post. You have a handle on why these two are unique & how to write them. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 5, 2017 21:46:25 GMT -5
I feel like there's at least a hundred Superman analogues.... Captain Marvel was just the first one.
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Post by Jesse on Aug 5, 2017 22:57:20 GMT -5
X-O Manowar (Valiant)/Iron Man (Marvel)
X-O Manowar definitely has the much more interesting back story. Tony Stark is a rich playboy which we've seen over and over again. Aric of Dacia, on the other hand, is a ancient Visigoth who watched his father beheaded by a Roman and grows up essentially knowing nothing but battle and bloodshed. Then he gets abducted by aliens and forced into slavery where he escapes and steals their most powerful weapon only to find out it's now the 21st century. That's just the #0 issue!
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Post by berkley on Aug 5, 2017 23:15:54 GMT -5
Marvel's Thor only became interesting after they threw out the Don Blake alter ego and started writing bout the mythical and science fiction adventures of an Asgardian god - which is one more reason why making Jane Foster the new Thor is a bad idea.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 6, 2017 0:08:03 GMT -5
namor for me; the character has more psychological angles.
THANOS/DARKSEID: DARKSEID by a country mile. thanos is to darkseid what carob is to belgian chocolate. a more nuanced 'purpose', a classier interlocutor , less temper-tantrums, etc. etc.
also most often better drawn (except by thanos by Starlin, but even then, darkseid by Kirby still wins.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 6, 2017 0:20:58 GMT -5
Rocket Red / Crimson Dynamo
I actually don't know a single thing about Crimson Dynamo other than the fact that he is also Russian and armored. Would love to hear others' perspectives on this.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 6, 2017 1:57:17 GMT -5
Rocket Red / Crimson DynamoI actually don't know a single thing about Crimson Dynamo other than the fact that he is also Russian and armored. Would love to hear others' perspectives on this. the original Crimson Dynamo... he's more 'layered' with a somewhat kaffuffled perspective of himself as a 'villain', as he too was a science-tech guy. but there've been more than one after him using different versions of the armour. they were less emotionally-subtle, imo. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 6, 2017 2:08:46 GMT -5
Plastic Man / E-man
Kind of a no-brainer; I think Cuti and Staton are on record somewhere as saying that E-man was largely inspired by the Golden Age Plastic Man stories.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 6, 2017 8:03:45 GMT -5
Plastic Man / E-manKind of a no-brainer; I think Cuti and Staton are on record somewhere as saying that E-man was largely inspired by the Golden Age Plastic Man stories. i enjoyed Cuti and Staton's work on e-man better though; it may not be classically 'politically correct', but it's not 'disrespectful' either. non partisan.  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 6, 2017 8:08:54 GMT -5
namor for me; the character has more psychological angles. THANOS/DARKSEID: DARKSEID by a country mile. thanos is to darkseid what carob is to belgian chocolate. a more nuanced 'purpose', a classier interlocutor , less temper-tantrums, etc. etc. also most often better drawn (except by thanos by Starlin, but even then, darkseid by Kirby still wins. Wow, I can't believe you can even place Darkseid in the same ballpark with Thanos. Thanos is a much more complex and active character. All I ever see Darkseid do is stand with his hands behind his back. Thanos gets his hands dirty, I like that. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 6, 2017 8:12:38 GMT -5
namor for me; the character has more psychological angles. THANOS/DARKSEID: DARKSEID by a country mile. thanos is to darkseid what carob is to belgian chocolate. a more nuanced 'purpose', a classier interlocutor , less temper-tantrums, etc. etc. also most often better drawn (except by thanos by Starlin, but even then, darkseid by Kirby still wins. Wow, I can't believe you can even place Darkseid in the same ballpark with Thanos. Thanos is a much more complex and active character. All I ever see Darkseid do is stand with his hands behind his back. Thanos gets his hands dirty, I like that. i like that you posted that and debate what I said!  but tell you what: next sketch i do, you choose - 'my' version of thanos, or darkseid. |
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but tell you what: next sketch i do, you choose - 'my' version of thanos, or darkseid.