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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 8:37:14 GMT -5
Yes, it's the Roger Stern stuff I am familiar with. Thanks for the info, guys!
I don't mind changes in a character. Byrne turning Namor into a mogul who protects the oceans was, in my opinion, a good change. But I wouldn't say his She-Hulk changes were positive.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 20, 2019 12:17:16 GMT -5
Yes, it's the Roger Stern stuff I am familiar with. Thanks for the info, guys! I don't mind changes in a character. Byrne turning Namor into a mogul who protects the oceans was, in my opinion, a good change. But I wouldn't say his She-Hulk changes were positive. I liked the way Byrne wrote her in Fantastic Four, but he's not as gifted when it comes to comedy. On the plus side, his comedic take on She-Hulk opened the door to Dan Slott's brilliant series, which had me laughing out loud on many occasions!
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Post by foxley on Jul 20, 2019 20:45:46 GMT -5
I recall reading that She-Hulk was one several characters Marvel created in a rush to secure copyright on female versions on some of their male heroes. The other major one was Spider-Woman, created after Marvel learned Filmation was planning a character called Spider-Woman. (Filmation's character became Web Woman instead). As a result, not a lot of thought went into these characters.
The one thing that does stick with me from reading the original run (years later) was the host of really odd one-shot supervillains, none of which ever appeared again, on an attempt to create a rogues gallery for her.
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Post by berkley on Jul 20, 2019 21:21:16 GMT -5
I recall reading that She-Hulk was one several characters Marvel created in a rush to secure copyright on female versions on some of their male heroes. The other major one was Spider-Woman, created after Marvel learned Filmation was planning a character called Spider-Woman. (Filmation's character became Web Woman instead). As a result, not a lot of thought went into these characters. And it shows.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 24, 2019 12:02:05 GMT -5
Was Blade a hit character when he debuted back in the early 70's? I only ask because, outside of Tomb of Dracula (and some magazine appearances), he did not appear integrated at all in the Marvel Universe. When TOD ended, it was a good 6 years or so before he was seen again in comics and it was a trio of times in Dr Strange. Other than that, he did not exist in the 80's.
Perhaps part of the explanation comes as a result of what happens to the character in TOD as I have yet to read the run. Just wondering if he took a while to catch on and if he really started to heat up when a movie came about in the mid 90's.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 24, 2019 12:07:07 GMT -5
I recall reading that She-Hulk was one several characters Marvel created in a rush to secure copyright on female versions on some of their male heroes. The other major one was Spider-Woman, created after Marvel learned Filmation was planning a character called Spider-Woman. (Filmation's character became Web Woman instead). As a result, not a lot of thought went into these characters. And it shows. Spider-Woman is weird. Definitely reeks of a rushed character but I kinda like her. I almost have a full run of that title, as it was always (and still is for the most part) cheap. Has anyone read it all the way through?
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Post by brutalis on Jul 24, 2019 13:13:19 GMT -5
Spider-Woman is weird. Definitely reeks of a rushed character but I kinda like her. I almost have a full run of that title, as it was always (and still is for the most part) cheap. Has anyone read it all the way through? I have! Read/bought the entire run brand new as it came out. Since then traded it in and bought the 2 Essential black and white editions. It was a nice run for the most part. Really preferred the early Wolfman and Infantino dark terror/horror aspect of the series. Flounders a bit in the middle and then some really nice Leialoha art towards the end and of course ended poorly and abruptly with no respect. I liked the characterization of Jessica Drew with her societal outcast syndrome and that for the most part Spider-Woman operated on the fringes of the Marvel universe.
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Post by brutalis on Jul 24, 2019 13:16:45 GMT -5
Was Blade a hit character when he debuted back in the early 70's? I only ask because, outside of Tomb of Dracula (and some magazine appearances), he did not appear integrated at all in the Marvel Universe. When TOD ended, it was a good 6 years or so before he was seen again in comics and it was a trio of times in Dr Strange. Other than that, he did not exist in the 80's. Perhaps part of the explanation comes as a result of what happens to the character in TOD as I have yet to read the run. Just wondering if he took a while to catch on and if he really started to heat up when a movie came about in the mid 90's. Blade was never more than a come and go as necessary for the story character in the cast of TOD. Marvel did try to make him more in the Black and White horror magazines but it was too little and too late. Until Snipes Blade movies came along the character in the comics was merely a footnote. With the movie came the public notice and push into the forefront with several series. And those never lasted very long either.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 24, 2019 14:47:43 GMT -5
Was Blade a hit character when he debuted back in the early 70's? I only ask because, outside of Tomb of Dracula (and some magazine appearances), he did not appear integrated at all in the Marvel Universe. When TOD ended, it was a good 6 years or so before he was seen again in comics and it was a trio of times in Dr Strange. Other than that, he did not exist in the 80's. Perhaps part of the explanation comes as a result of what happens to the character in TOD as I have yet to read the run. Just wondering if he took a while to catch on and if he really started to heat up when a movie came about in the mid 90's. Blade was never more than a come and go as necessary for the story character in the cast of TOD. Marvel did try to make him more in the Black and White horror magazines but it was too little and too late. Until Snipes Blade movies came along the character in the comics was merely a footnote. With the movie came the public notice and push into the forefront with several series. And those never lasted very long either. Yeah; pretty much. Blade was mostly a gimmick adversary for Dracula and little more, mixing in Blaxploitation elements. The movie really only came about because Snipes had been trying to get a Black panther film going, with no luck, but Blade made for an easier sell, without costumes and superhero connotations: Black guy with vampiric touches kills vampires, with swords and martial arts. Perfect, run with it. It was a lot easier to sell then Panther: " So, wait, explain it again..." "He's an African King...." " Like Eddie Murphy, in Coming to America?" "Well, yeah, kind of...." " So, he sees modern technology as evil spirits and fish out of water...." "No, no, he's from a more technologically advanced hidden nation..." " In Africa? Who's gonna buy that...." "Yeah, but, it was hidden away and grew without European interference...." " Nah, to ethnic....won't play to a mass audience...." 'but, he's a superhero who kicks butt, in a cool costume...." " What, another rubber suit? I think Bob Ringwood has a thing for rubber....." "Sigh................"
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2019 15:08:35 GMT -5
Spider-Woman is weird. Definitely reeks of a rushed character but I kinda like her. I almost have a full run of that title, as it was always (and still is for the most part) cheap. Has anyone read it all the way through? I bought Spider-Woman because I LOVED the costume design (at least once she got the "open haired" version of the costume as of her 1st solo issue.
the characters were never that great (tho I loved Gypsy Moth. . but Daddy Longlegs? sheesh).
but I kept buying it for the look of the character.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 24, 2019 17:03:10 GMT -5
Spider-Woman is weird. Definitely reeks of a rushed character but I kinda like her. I almost have a full run of that title, as it was always (and still is for the most part) cheap. Has anyone read it all the way through? I read everything but for some between #13-19. The best was where Jessica Drew was a private detective in San Francisco. I really like the Steve Leialoha art, and he knows the city very well. In the earliest issues she has a repellent effect on women and some men which I thought was pretty cool, and gave her that touch of Marvel tragedy. They really blew it not keeping that aspect I think, but then I'm a Peter Parker as skinny with glasses fan as well. She was part spider and gave off those creepy vibes, but some men were attracted to that as well (because every little bug needs a honey to hug). Originally she was on a personal quest to find out who she was. I liked it better once they had her based in San Francisco with friends (including a Hawaiian boyfriend and white persian cat, hmmm). The last few issues up to #50 killing her off I guess I liked up to the killing her off part. I would recommend Spider-Woman #25, 34-44, & 46 as the best of the comic. I have #1-12 now but can't really recommend those, it's like the early Ms. Marvel with a lot of uncertainty in direction and things that get set-up and then forgotten or undone.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 9:59:51 GMT -5
pinkfloydsound17 ... If you recall in my avatar (see below), Spider-Woman is in there and I pretty much read about 70 percent of the issues that came out and I like the character itself, the costume, and all that. I wished the writing was better and the action and art is better than average. In my area, Spider-Woman was a popular character and all the books were constantly being sold and the cartoon from 1979 was talked about constantly and that fueled this character more so. This cartoon is still popular today and the owner has a TV (via YouTube) that occasionally plays 20 minutes cartoon from time to time.
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Post by Mormel on Jul 27, 2019 3:23:33 GMT -5
Spider-Woman is weird. Definitely reeks of a rushed character but I kinda like her. I almost have a full run of that title, as it was always (and still is for the most part) cheap. Has anyone read it all the way through? I bought Spider-Woman because I LOVED the costume design (at least once she got the "open haired" version of the costume as of her 1st solo issue.
the characters were never that great (tho I loved Gypsy Moth. . but Daddy Longlegs? sheesh).
but I kept buying it for the look of the character.
I'm not gonna lie, but all those supporting heroes that showed up in those final issues? Would have made a pretty interesting team! Aside from the two you mentioned, Poltergeist, Shroud, Tigra, Werewolf-by-Night... have Spider-Woman lead them it could have been the kick off to a mystery/spooky West-Coast based team book.
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Post by Mormel on Jul 27, 2019 3:26:59 GMT -5
Almost forgot the question I wanted to ask:
When did "To me, my X-Men!" start being a phrase in the actual X-Men books? Seems like these days people associate it with Professor X as being sort of his "Avengers, assemble!", but I haven't seen it in any Silver Age or Bronze Age issues, and the first time I saw it, Cyclops said it in Astonishing X-Men. Where did it first turn up?
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 27, 2019 6:00:56 GMT -5
I bought Spider-Woman because I LOVED the costume design (at least once she got the "open haired" version of the costume as of her 1st solo issue.
the characters were never that great (tho I loved Gypsy Moth. . but Daddy Longlegs? sheesh).
but I kept buying it for the look of the character.
I'm not gonna lie, but all those supporting heroes that showed up in those final issues? Would have made a pretty interesting team! Aside from the two you mentioned, Poltergeist, Shroud, Tigra, Werewolf-by-Night... have Spider-Woman lead them it could have been the kick off to a mystery/spooky West-Coast based team book. There's always been an intriguing aspect about assembling different characters and seeing what kind of chemistry the writer can develop between them. It doesn't always work as the Original Champions book was so dull.
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