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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 16, 2019 12:08:20 GMT -5
Tony Stark did indeed grow up in Avengers Mansion, back when it was the Stark family's Manhattan townhouse. It was offered up as Avengers HQ shortly after the team's formation, since Tony had moved into a penthouse apartment (cf. Tales of Suspense #50 et al) after his parents' deaths. Its operations and expenses, including Jarvis' salary, were paid by the Maria Stark Foundation.
Cei-U! I summon the prime real estate!
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jul 16, 2019 12:19:59 GMT -5
I have a semi-comic related question. Perhaps it’s better elsewhere but I will post here for now. Was there ever a reason why Gwen Stacy was not used as the main love interest in the animated 90s cartoon for Spider-Man? If I recall she appeared in an episode but I forget the context.... Don't know the actual reason, but it probably had to do with MJ being the love interest in the comics and Gwen being worm food for 20 years at that point. They probably felt OK using her as a secondary/tertiary character as fan service for adults watching it, but didn't want to confuse any younger people who weren't alive when Gwen was an integral character in the comics. Makes sense... Also, I thought of this since posing my question. The series did not ever show Spidey hitting someone and avoided death a lot. Perhaps knowing that, if they used Gwen, they would eventually have to kill her was too extreme for the show at the time.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 16, 2019 12:47:00 GMT -5
Tony Stark did indeed grow up in Avengers Mansion, back when it was the Stark family's Manhattan townhouse. It was offered up as Avengers HQ shortly after the team's formation, since Tony had moved into a penthouse apartment (cf. Tales of Suspense #50 et al) after his parents' deaths. Its operations and expenses, including Jarvis' salary, were paid by the Maria Stark Foundation. Cei-U! I summon the prime real estate! I knew he paid for it but somehow all this time I'd missed that bit of info about him having lived there before. Thanks! I had Suspense #49 but not #50 (back when you either had the originals or one of the 25 cent '60s reprint titles).
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 16, 2019 14:06:33 GMT -5
There was another Ms Marvel and Carol had been Binary, so Warbird was the ol costume and powers; but, I don't believe the old name was up for grabs, or Busiek didn't like it. She was called Warbird from her first appearance in the new series.
It beat Warhorse.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2019 14:42:43 GMT -5
There was another Ms Marvel and Carol had been Binary, so Warbird was the ol costume and powers; but, I don't believe the old name was up for grabs, or Busiek didn't like it. She was called Warbird from her first appearance in the new series. It beat Warhorse. It was also a reference to her experience as a fighter pilot as it is slang for a fighter plane. I was on an Avengers mailing list with Kurt (and Crimebuster) at the time the series was coming out and he talked about about the process of coming up with the new name. The Marvel monikers weren't available (there was a Ms. Marvel and a Captain Marvel at the time-Genis-Vell I believe), Binary was no longer appropriate since they were reverting to her classic power set and costume, so they had to come up with something new, so they chose something that reflected her background in the air force. -M
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Post by beccabear67 on Jul 16, 2019 15:19:07 GMT -5
I like Warbird better than Binary, which is what she was when I dropped reading comics circa 1986-87. Marvel had a mini-renaissance around this late 1999-2001 period, I've sampled Thor, various X-Men and now Avengers from this time and already have all of Lost Generation, Hidden Years and Spider-Man: Chapter One. I'm wondering if I'd also like Thunderbolts, Black Panther and Deathlock from the same time period...
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Post by hondobrode on Jul 17, 2019 1:26:26 GMT -5
That time period was mostly the tail end of Marvel for me, but good stuff from that time included
Avengers, Avengers Forever, Black Panther (best ever), Black Widow, Captain America : Sentinel of Liberty, Captain Marvel, Daredevil, Daredevil / Spider-Man, Earth X, Fantastic Four, Galactus the Devourer, Inhumans, Iron Man, Marvel : The Lost Generations, Punisher, The Sentry, Thor, Union Jack, Universe X, Webspinners : Tales of Spider-Man, X-Men : The Hidden Years
Looking at this list, it's hard to remember that I actually used to like and buy Marvel, which is mostly not the case for at least the last 10 years or more with few exceptions.
Marvel went through a lot of crap in the 90's but Quesada and Palmiotti really turned the company around.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 19, 2019 3:23:50 GMT -5
A question regarding Don Simpson's Border Worlds-has anyone bought or read the hardcover collected edition put out by Dover Books in 2017? It supposedly has a new final chapter that finished the story that was left hanging in Border Worlds: Marooned #1, which was supposed to relaunch the series in 1990 after it went on hiatus after issue #7 in 1987. If so, how substantial is the chapter? I have all of the original series and I am not sure I am up for buying the collected edition for just a few pages that just try to tie up some loose ends without telling a satisfactory story. so I am wondering if anyone familiar with the series has read and has an opinion whether it is worth tracking down or not. Can't help you with your question, just wanted to thank you for alerting me to the existence of this book. Another thing to add to the want list, along with the Collected Neil the Horse (which I also learned about just recently).
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Post by Trevor on Jul 19, 2019 8:15:22 GMT -5
A question regarding Don Simpson's Border Worlds-has anyone bought or read the hardcover collected edition put out by Dover Books in 2017? It supposedly has a new final chapter that finished the story that was left hanging in Border Worlds: Marooned #1, which was supposed to relaunch the series in 1990 after it went on hiatus after issue #7 in 1987. If so, how substantial is the chapter? I have all of the original series and I am not sure I am up for buying the collected edition for just a few pages that just try to tie up some loose ends without telling a satisfactory story. so I am wondering if anyone familiar with the series has read and has an opinion whether it is worth tracking down or not. -M It’s a beautiful book. One of my favorite creators and story back in the day, and I was super excited to get this collection. Haven’t finished it though, read the first third or so, and still loved it, but it got buried in my ever increasing mountains of books. But thanks for the reminder, July is my sci-fi month in my monthly Challenge, so I’ll try to find it, finish it, and report back.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 10:47:45 GMT -5
I've not read the She-Hulk's original book (which began in 1980). I have read her solo and FF exploits from later on.
But I am unfamiliar with her original run, which some claim featured a She-Hulk very different to the one that came later.
Was it different? If so, how? And what was the title of the letters page in her first book?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 15:06:52 GMT -5
I've not read the She-Hulk's original book (which began in 1980). I have read her solo and FF exploits from later on. But I am unfamiliar with her original run, which some claim featured a She-Hulk very different to the one that came later. Was it different? If so, how? And what was the title of the letters page in her first book? Wow. Tough question. Honestly it only lasted 25 issues and was pretty forgettable. I can't remember anything about the series. I probably only bought a few issues. She-Hulk wasn't really much of a character until Byrne "revamped" her and made her part of the FF and less serious.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 19, 2019 15:40:31 GMT -5
I've not read the She-Hulk's original book (which began in 1980). I have read her solo and FF exploits from later on. But I am unfamiliar with her original run, which some claim featured a She-Hulk very different to the one that came later. Was it different? If so, how? And what was the title of the letters page in her first book? Yeah, I only read the first few issues and then dropped it. Like Michael noted, it's all pretty forgettable - in fact, what memories of the original series I have are all limited to the first issue, which was a pretty by the numbers origin story by Lee, but with very nice art by John Buscema. By issue #2, there was a completely different creative team who were probably assigned to the title by editorial diktat. Can't remember what the title to the letters page was, if it even had one, but hopefully it wasn't 'She-Mail.' She-Hulk only became interesting once she joined the Avengers, during the early part of Roger Stern's run as writer. He was actually the one who first changed the character, i.e., had her actual enjoy having her powers, having the artists draw her wearing something other than a ripped-up white blouse, etc., and then Byrne later ran with it when he moved her into the FF.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 20, 2019 6:19:35 GMT -5
I guess Byrne added the annoying " breaking the fourth wall" bit. I think I liked her better in the Avengers stories than in the FF book. The later series by Slott was really fun.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2019 6:28:51 GMT -5
I've read the Byrne stuff. Fourth-wall breaking stuff can wear thin quickly, even the Deadpool comics I've read don't seem to rely on it exclusively.
I read some of her FF appearances. And some modern stuff. Does feel like a different character at times.
I wouldn't mind reading her first comic.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jul 20, 2019 8:34:00 GMT -5
I've not read the She-Hulk's original book (which began in 1980). I have read her solo and FF exploits from later on. But I am unfamiliar with her original run, which some claim featured a She-Hulk very different to the one that came later. Was it different? If so, how? And what was the title of the letters page in her first book? She was basically written as a female half-Hulk, not as strong as her cousin but more articulate. She-Hulk didn’t have a split personality like Hulk/Banner; her green persona was just crankier. The book relied on tried and true tropes: “oh no, I turn into a cranky green woman when I’m upset... how can I protect my secret identity and live a normal life despite this terrible burden?” and “whatever mousy little Jennifer can’t do, the She-Hulk can!” It was actually quite decent, in a B-list sort of way with a few great covers by Michael Golden. Instead of an indestructible pair of purple pants, She-Hulk seemed to always wear an indestructible white shift... What are the odds of that? Richard Rory, a Man-Thing supporting character, was there for a while too... Much more sympathetic as Rick Jones, as far as sidekicks go. There was no letter page in the first issue (it was a house add for Epic magazine) and in later issues the page was just titled “the savage She-Hulk”. Although Byrne really did the character a lot of good in terms of popularity, I’d like to point out that it was really Roger Stern who made her really stand out, when he started having her appear in The Avengers.
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