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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 18, 2019 8:04:45 GMT -5
I’ve only “completed a series “ if I’ve gotten them all in comic book form. I doubt that I’ll complete the Avengers v1 series.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jun 19, 2019 13:35:26 GMT -5
Question for those here who are Hulk lovers...
I dislike bronze age Hulk. The art is fine, the stories are silly. What are the thoughts on Mike Mignola's work on Hulk? I mean, the covers look great (believe he starts doing some art in an around #290-310). Is this time period consider decent reading as well?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jun 19, 2019 14:05:49 GMT -5
Question for those here who are Hulk lovers... I dislike bronze age Hulk. The art is fine, the stories are silly. What are the thoughts on Mike Mignola's work on Hulk? I mean, the covers look great (believe he starts doing some art in an around #290-310). Is this time period consider decent reading as well? It's my second favorite next to gray Hulk. The Buscema art is fine by me, but having seen #311 in a dollar bin and buying it strictly for the cover, I do wish Mignola had at least done some if not all the interior art too. I like that to me, these issues (at least after #300) are more like an anthology or "saga of" in that they are pretty disjointed and random. Like Batman LOTDK a story line might be three issues and then move on to something else. Or it might be one issue. If you don't know the story leading up to #300, it's difficult to explain why these stories are structured this way. But I like it. I started with #297, so I can't speak for earlier issues, but then I have all of them up to when David started writing the title. So personally I would recommend reading it. I don't have a lot of bronze age Hulk comics and for me it's the same as your reasons. And none of these feel like bronze age Hulk stories. Edit: Mantlo/Buscema's ends at #313. I haven't read Byrne's issues in a while to remember if they are worth getting before David takes over with #328, I believe. There's some from Milgron in between them, but, personally I read them as part of the gray Hulk story line.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 19, 2019 14:10:31 GMT -5
Its all Bill Mantlo and Sal Buscema through #309. Mignola starts with 311 for three issues, then Byrne did a swap and takes over for 6 issues before leaving after a short run. Then Milgrom comes aboard as writer and penciller. I had all these new off the rack at the time and really cannot remember much about them other than I had them and traded them off later on. Does that tell you anything? Nothing memorable to stir the memories pretty much sums it up, whereas I can remember lots of the earlier 70's Trimpe run which I did NOT have but read from a neighbor who did collect Hulk. But once Peter David comes in then it really does become good again!
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 19, 2019 14:44:42 GMT -5
I have almost the entire run from 200 to the end. Byrne took over and left quickly because his all splash page issue was rejected by editor Denny O’Neil. Of course Shooter took the blame. Milgrom took over hastily when Byrne left and did a decent job. They ended up using the rejected Byrne story in a Marvel Fanfare later on. Mignolas run was nothing special and his art was overpowered by the inking, if I remember correctly. At least he wasn’t the Mignola that you see today. I enjoyed Hulk from around 250 to 300.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 23, 2019 15:40:57 GMT -5
The Hulk is one of my favorite titles if not characters.
The monster concept is fairly simple, and yet, in kind of a Godzilla-like way, the big action of fighting The Man is irresistible and he doesn't back down from anyone !
Still gotta get this collection sorted, but I have lots of issues and mostly complete from about 200-ish on.
Even liked the run that McFarlane guy did for a while.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 23, 2019 18:55:14 GMT -5
The Hulk was a character I could only take in small doses; mostly in the Defenders. It's probably a byproduct of the era when I started reading comics. In the 70s, the Hulk was very "Hulk Smash! Puny Humans Leave Hulk Alone! The madder Hulk gets, the stronger Hulk gets!" It was repetitive and boring, to me. I could read a comic story here or there; but, not several issues of it. Spider-Man was the same way, because of the soap opera. I enjoyed him in MTU, where the soap opera was minimal or non-existent and he could be a wise-ass. I also enjoyed reprints of Ditko era stories more (generally, before the soap opera was as big a deal). With the Hulk, I preferred him in the Defenders.
The longest run of the Hulk I ever had was Peter David and Gary Frank and that was probably less than a dozen issues. I did enjoy the tv series, though. Well, seeing it sporadically. I saw it more in syndication, which emphasized the repetitiveness of the plots, though Bixby's acting always saved that. Still, I always wanted the Hulk to run up against Steve Austin. Would have been better than Bigfoot!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2019 19:12:01 GMT -5
I like the Hulk in a team-oriented format like the early Avengers, Defenders, and his adventures with the Fantastic Four and his battles with the Silver Surfer, The (one on one) Thing, and the battle with Sasquatch of Alpha Flight.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jun 24, 2019 13:19:06 GMT -5
Another question...
I know Thunder Agents ran in the late 60's for 20 issues or so. Was it any good? Also, what about the 1983 and 1984 series (which was Wally Woods Thunder Agents and has some nice looking Perez covers)?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2019 13:34:54 GMT -5
Another question... I know Thunder Agents ran in the late 60's for 20 issues or so. Was it any good? Also, what about the 1983 and 1984 series (which was Wally Woods Thunder Agents and has some nice looking Perez covers)? In the early days, I consider Wally Wood as an artist a wonderful one and drew it with great care and all that and the teaming with Len Brown in the early days was top notch and they did a great job putting it altogether. I also liked the way IDW handled them in 2013-14 ... and DC Comics took them a couple years back. I give the early days a steady B+ to A- due to Wally Wood art and I love it dearly and I think shaxper would be the person that has a better understanding than I do. It was very good to excellent.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 24, 2019 13:42:53 GMT -5
Another question... I know Thunder Agents ran in the late 60's for 20 issues or so. Was it any good? Also, what about the 1983 and 1984 series (which was Wally Woods Thunder Agents and has some nice looking Perez covers)? The series starts well and there are some great individual stories; but, it gets more and more uneven as it progresses. Great art, though. There are a few story gems in there, like the Death of Mento. There is a review thread here, from Shaxper. I covered the revivals, in my Other Guys thread (plus an overview of Tower Comics) The Deluxe Comics stuff (Wally Wood's THUNDER Agents) had some really great art, from perez, Dave Cockrum, and Kieth Giffen. perez did a few Raven stories, with a femme fatale named Phoenicia, who was based on his wife. They are fine, for what they are; not much depth, but exciting. Giffen was doing a story of Lightning's last dyays, as his powers are killing him and it was leading to a female taking over the role. On the whole, there is nothing spectacular, other than the art, in any of the stories, though some are fairly entertaining. There is a Dynamo one, involving a costume party, that I quite liked. It just never really had much focus. The JC Comics material, done in conjunction with Archie, doesn't quite look as spectacular, though the story is more focused. Quite frankly, I didn't think anyone had a good story, until the Omni Comix story, with Paul Gulacy on art; but, it was part one of an unfinished story. It remained that way (Omni Comix was cancelled before the second part came out) and only some art was ever seen, in the Twomorrows THUNDER Agent Companion. The DC stuff was okay. THUNDER Agents just seems to be a really cool concept, with a few interesting characters, which had spectacular art, yet never really rose to its potential.
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Post by MDG on Jun 24, 2019 14:17:54 GMT -5
Another question... I know Thunder Agents ran in the late 60's for 20 issues or so. Was it any good? Also, what about the 1983 and 1984 series (which was Wally Woods Thunder Agents and has some nice looking Perez covers)? ... ... shaxper would be the person that has a better understanding than I do.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 24, 2019 19:54:23 GMT -5
Another question... I know Thunder Agents ran in the late 60's for 20 issues or so. Was it any good? Also, what about the 1983 and 1984 series (which was Wally Woods Thunder Agents and has some nice looking Perez covers)? I cover the original series in detail here. The short answer is that Tower was big on ideas but refused to invest in a quality bullpen, forcing all writers and most artists to work freelance, so quality often suffered and there was no real continuity/evolution with staff rotating so constantly. Even still, they were doing enough right that Tower might have made it if they hadn't been squeezed out of distribution and if their semi-official EIC, Wally Wood, hadn't jumped ship. Some of the ideas are fantastic, some of the art is truly enthralling, and a few of the stories are surprisingly well-written. Truly, the best part is early post-Marvel Steve Ditko, those Wally Wood covers, and definitely the throwback sci-fi wonder of Undersea Agent.
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Post by pinkfloydsound17 on Jun 24, 2019 20:33:50 GMT -5
Awesome!
A couple issues are at a local store from the Wally Wood Thunder Agents short lived run so wanted to know if they worth grabbing. The covers definitely popped.
Last question (and perhaps one that belongs in the Gone Too Soon thread)...Gunhawks from the 70s. Short lived series. Any good? Again there are a couple issues at this shop and I’m wondering if they are a good read or not.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 24, 2019 21:23:48 GMT -5
Last question (and perhaps one that belongs in the Gone Too Soon thread)...Gunhawks from the 70s. Short lived series. Any good? Again there are a couple issues at this shop and I’m wondering if they are a good read or not. Not really. The premise of two lifelong friends, one white, one black, wandering the Old West in search of the woman one of them loves had possibilities but was undercut by an unbelievable and historically implausible backstory, mediocre plotting and scripting, and art of variable quality. The issues drawn by Syd Shores (#1-2 and 4-5) are a whole lot better than the others drawn by Dick Ayers. It's chief claim to fame was the decision to kill off one of the leads in #6 and retitling it Gunhawk for the final issue (#7). If one of the issues available at your shop has Shores, I say go for it and decide for yourself.
Cei-U! I summon the saddle sores!
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