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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 23, 2019 22:24:42 GMT -5
Anybody out there happen to know where the 1984 X-Men and Micronauts mini-series is supposed to fit in the X-continuity? The internal evdence is nonsensical and doesn't match the events of contemporaneous issues of Uncanny X-Men or New Mutants.
Cei-U! I summon the bafflement!
I have The Official Marvel Index to the X-Men which was published in 1994. Then have the order as Uncanny X-Men #179, then Prof. X and Kitty are in New Mutants #13, then Nightcrawler is in Saga of Crystar, Crystal Warrior #6, then all the X-Men are in X-Men and the Micronauts #1-4, then New Mutants #14, and then back in Uncanny X-Men #180. The Micronauts mini is still in my to-read pile, so I don't have an independent insights of accuracy of where the index places the mini. That's very helpful. Thank you, spoon!
Cei-U! I summon my first clue!
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Post by spoon on Mar 23, 2019 23:20:00 GMT -5
I have The Official Marvel Index to the X-Men which was published in 1994. Then have the order as Uncanny X-Men #179, then Prof. X and Kitty are in New Mutants #13, then Nightcrawler is in Saga of Crystar, Crystal Warrior #6, then all the X-Men are in X-Men and the Micronauts #1-4, then New Mutants #14, and then back in Uncanny X-Men #180. The Micronauts mini is still in my to-read pile, so I don't have an independent insights of accuracy of where the index places the mini. That's very helpful. Thank you, spoon!
Cei-U! I summon my first clue!
You're welcome!
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Post by rberman on Mar 23, 2019 23:52:15 GMT -5
Anybody out there happen to know where the 1984 X-Men and Micronauts mini-series is supposed to fit in the X-continuity? The internal evdence is nonsensical and doesn't match the events of contemporaneous issues of Uncanny X-Men or New Mutants. Cei-U! I summon the bafflement!
I have The Official Marvel Index to the X-Men which was published in 1994. Then have the order as Uncanny X-Men #179, then Prof. X and Kitty are in New Mutants #13, then Nightcrawler is in Saga of Crystar, Crystal Warrior #6, then all the X-Men are in X-Men and the Micronauts #1-4, then New Mutants #14, and then back in Uncanny X-Men #180. This is the best answer that can be given since the mini-series has to take place after Magma's arrival in America ( New Mutants #13) and before the X-Men leave for the original Secret Wars ( X-Men #180). Even this answer is imperfect due to at least one continuity glitch. In X-Men #179, Colossus has been changed from a frozen statue to a severely injured man: And in #180, he's still convalescing: However, he shows no signs of such injuries in the X-Men/Micronauts crossover which takes place between #179 and #180: Such a minor inconsistency is understandable since (1) The time taken to explain or incorporate them is better spent elsewhere, and (2) the mini-series may have been written before Claremont scripted the details of Colossus' convalescence leading up to Secret Wars.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 24, 2019 4:36:14 GMT -5
How do you rate Cary Bates as a writer ? I thought he had some good Superman stories and I enjoyed his work on Captain Atom. His Superman Revenge Squad storyline was one of the last Superman things of not (other than Alan Moore), before the revamp. I think Maggin was better; but Bates was good, when motivated. He had a lot of great stories, in the Flash. I liked quite a bit of Pasko's Superman and thought his writing on the post-Chaykin Blackhawk was pretty good, though that comic got pretty warped, as it went along (for its brief life). I didn't care for his E-Man stuff; at First. It tried too hard and wasn't particularly funny, even with Staton on art. Nicola Cuti was funny. Yeah, I agree about Bates on Flash; I thought he wrote a run of really solid stories in the late 1970s.
As for Pasko, I liked his brief run on Plastic Man in Adventure Comics, with Staton doing the art, but yeah, his work on E-man a little a later was not to my taste, either. Trying too hard is an apt way to describe that material.
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 24, 2019 14:51:27 GMT -5
How do you rate Cary Bates as a writer ? I thought he had some good Superman stories and I enjoyed his work on Captain Atom. His Superman Revenge Squad storyline was one of the last Superman things of not (other than Alan Moore), before the revamp. I think Maggin was better; but Bates was good, when motivated. He had a lot of great stories, in the Flash. Bates' " The Miraculous Return of Jonathan Kent" has to be one of the all time great Superman stories so far that alone, he's earned his place in Superman's history. Not all of his tales were of this calibre though - his 1983 update to Luthor reduced what had become a nuanced villain in the hands of others to a raving, murderous sociopath without any real logic underlying the abrupt change in persona, for instance - but he has enough classics under his belt to support the above argument that he was "good, when motivated". Actually, I'd change "good" to "excellent". Beyond that Superman Revenge Squad three-parter - which is one of the most underrated gems of Superman's Bronze Age (Superman 366-368) so I'm glad that Cody brought it up - Bates also contributed to " Who Took the Super out of Superman" classic four-parter with Eliot S! Maggin, scripted a number of Silver Age standouts such as "Secret of the Double Death-Wish!" from World's Finest 174 (a title which should have been consistently better than it was given its stars and yet this is one of the few issues from the late 60's that I think would qualify as a classic), " The Real Clark Kent!" from Superman 198 (sometimes those Silver Age tales based upon an outlandish cover fell short of the excitement conveyed on the cover, but here Bates displays a real talent for living up to the high expectations such a gimmick creates), and "How do you Hide a Superman?" from Superman 402 (which is set up like a fun little tale but quickly turns dark when you realise that there's a reason Superman isn't behaving the way Superman should). He gets some guff about how long The Trial of the Flash ran for but I believe the length was due to him learning partway through the story that the title was to be cancelled with issue 350 and he therefore deciding that it wouldn't make sense to end one major story, write ten or so issues more of something else, and then end the title, hence his drawing things out further. Of course, having read the story most recently seven years ago myself, while I found it engaging and entertaining, there were some things which left me baffled about it (ie. he just seems to forget about his fiancé once he becomes a fugitive) so I don't want to sound dismissive of anyone whose problems with that story extend beyond it being too long.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 24, 2019 17:46:11 GMT -5
When you donate to a comic book Kickstarter, do you get a free copy , or is it just a donation ? Forgive me if this is a dumb question.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2019 18:01:36 GMT -5
When you donate to a comic book Kickstarter, do you get a free copy , or is it just a donation ? Forgive me if this is a dumb question. Depends at what level you choose to back the kickstarter. There is usually a just donate level where you get nothing. Then there are several levels where what you get depends on what you kick in. Some may include a digital copy of the book, some physical copy, some a copy of the book and other works by the creators or some such, some may include portfolios, or sketches, some may include things like being drawn into the book, or having a character based on you, etc. etc. Each kickstarter sets its own pledge levels and rewards, so you have to look over each one you are interested in. Most will have stretch goals as well, which is extra stuff you get if you donated at a certain level if the campaign exceeds its funding goals. When I backed the Tales of Mr. Rhee Vol. 4, by Dirk Manning kickstarter, I chose the "I'm new here" level which paid for the deluxe kickstarter hardcover edition of Tales of Mr. Rhee Vol. 4, trade paperback copies of Tales of Mr. Rhee Vol. 1-3, Nightmareworld Vol. 1-4, and Love Stories to Die For. The campaign exceeded its goals, so as stretch goal rewards we got a signed print of the cover by Ben Templesmith, a bonus comic of new stories featuring characters from the book, a signed print by K. Lynn Smith featuring the characters, and a bookplate signed by the writer (Dirk), artist (Seth Damoose) and colorist (Anthony D. Lee). When I backed Touching Evil Vol. 2, I just pledged enough to get the hardcover kickstarter exclusive because I already had Vol. 1, but there was a level to get both. (There were some stretch goals as well, but I am still waiting on this one, so I can't remember the stretch goals off hand, I just got my Mr. Rhee fulfillment last week so it's fresh in my mind). I am going to be backing the Hope kickstarter by Dirk Manning and K. Lynn Smith in the next couple days, but I haven't decided what level I will pledge at yet. So if you are interested in a kickstarter, go to the page, and look over the various different backer levels and see what each offers, or you can just drop a few bucks towards the cause. -M
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Post by Crimebuster on Mar 24, 2019 18:01:44 GMT -5
When you donate to a comic book Kickstarter, do you get a free copy , or is it just a donation ? Forgive me if this is a dumb question. it depends. Most kickstarters have an option to just give them money as a donation if you don't want any rewards. So if you don't want the comic, you can do that. However, generally speaking, most people don't choose that option. Instead, most Kickstarters have reward tiers, where you get goods in return for your donation, and the more you donate, the more you get back. In general, a copy of the comic or TPB is the base level reward. So you might pledge $10, and they will mail you a copy of the comic when it is complete. or, you might do $100 or something, and get three copies with variant covers, and a sketch cover, and a t-shirt. Or whatever the case is. I've been doing a lot of Kickstarter research recently, as I am planning to bring my comic book to Kickstarter in May. For single issue comics, the most common donation levels are either $10 or $15, and you get a copy in return. For trades, it's usually like $20 to $30 as the base level donation, and you get a copy in return.
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Post by MDG on Mar 24, 2019 18:02:25 GMT -5
When you donate to a comic book Kickstarter, do you get a free copy , or is it just a donation ? Forgive me if this is a dumb question. It will say in the listing what you get for different levels of support. Sometimes the lowest level just gets a downloadable copy. Higher levels can include things like signed books or prints, original art, or "guest appearances" in the book. EDIT: I think this is the first time three of us answered the same question the same way at virtually the same time.
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Post by String on Mar 24, 2019 18:02:44 GMT -5
From Superman 139 written by Otto Binder. Superman's hair and fingernails have grown due to the effects of Red Kryptonite. Earlier in the tale, Superman tried cutting his finger nails with the full force of his X-Ray vision but nothing happened. It took Supergirl and Krypto's "combined X-Ray vision" to do the trick. So yes, Superman's hair doesn't grow unless he's under a red sun or red kryptonite is involved. He's lucky to have come to Earth with a full head of hair. Ok thanks. I would have never considered x-ray vision as a possible answer though.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 24, 2019 18:03:10 GMT -5
When you donate to a comic book Kickstarter, do you get a free copy , or is it just a donation ? Forgive me if this is a dumb question. Definitely not a dumb question. If I'm putting money into something, generally my first question will be, "what's in it for me?" Charities aside, obviously. Others have already given better answers than I can, but I think it varies on a case by case basis. I've never donated to a comic Kickstarter, but I did donate to a crowdfund album from one of my favourite artists once, and I got a deluxe limited edition version of the album for my troubles and also got it a number of weeks before the official release date. So yeah, probably not a great answer, but basically it varies from case to case. It may just be that you're donating in order so that you can one day read the comic book, or maybe you'll get something more.
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Post by String on Mar 24, 2019 18:11:03 GMT -5
I thought he had some good Superman stories and I enjoyed his work on Captain Atom. His Superman Revenge Squad storyline was one of the last Superman things of not (other than Alan Moore), before the revamp. I think Maggin was better; but Bates was good, when motivated. He had a lot of great stories, in the Flash. I liked quite a bit of Pasko's Superman and thought his writing on the post-Chaykin Blackhawk was pretty good, though that comic got pretty warped, as it went along (for its brief life). I didn't care for his E-Man stuff; at First. It tried too hard and wasn't particularly funny, even with Staton on art. Nicola Cuti was funny. Yeah, I agree about Bates on Flash; I thought he wrote a run of really solid stories in the late 1970s.
As for Pasko, I liked his brief run on Plastic Man in Adventure Comics, with Staton doing the art, but yeah, his work on E-man a little a later was not to my taste, either. Trying too hard is an apt way to describe that material.
I liked Bates' work very much especially on the Flash. I just don't understand why his tenure on that title is so oft overlooked or underrated. He had an uninterrupted run of 137 issues of the Flash, a good chunk of it with Infantino no less. An amazing accomplishment.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 24, 2019 18:14:20 GMT -5
Yeah, I agree about Bates on Flash; I thought he wrote a run of really solid stories in the late 1970s.
As for Pasko, I liked his brief run on Plastic Man in Adventure Comics, with Staton doing the art, but yeah, his work on E-man a little a later was not to my taste, either. Trying too hard is an apt way to describe that material.
I liked Bates' work very much especially on the Flash. I just don't understand why his tenure on that title is so oft overlooked or underrated. He had an uninterrupted run of 137 issues of the Flash, a good chunk of it with Infantino no less. An amazing accomplishment. I hear that. Infantino was always tough on my eyes, but he was punishment during that last Flash run.
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Post by rberman on Mar 24, 2019 18:31:28 GMT -5
From Superman 139 written by Otto Binder. Superman's hair and fingernails have grown due to the effects of Red Kryptonite. Earlier in the tale, Superman tried cutting his finger nails with the full force of his X-Ray vision but nothing happened. It took Supergirl and Krypto's "combined X-Ray vision" to do the trick. So yes, Superman's hair doesn't grow unless he's under a red sun or red kryptonite is involved. He's lucky to have come to Earth with a full head of hair. Ok thanks. I would have never considered x-ray vision as a possible answer though. IIRC, the differentiation between x-ray vision and heat vision came later.
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Post by foxley on Mar 24, 2019 18:43:54 GMT -5
Ok thanks. I would have never considered x-ray vision as a possible answer though. IIRC, the differentiation between x-ray vision and heat vision came later. Correct. Originally the comics would refer to "the heat of his x-ray vision". This gradually got shortened to "heat vision" and this became regarded as a separate power.
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