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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 23, 2019 8:10:13 GMT -5
How do you rate Cary Bates as a writer ?
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Post by hondobrode on Mar 23, 2019 13:47:03 GMT -5
He was kind of a hot shot in the early to mid 70's but I think he's just so so.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 23, 2019 13:53:19 GMT -5
He’s never referred to when writers are brought up. I like his Superman stories from the Bronze Age.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 23, 2019 13:57:07 GMT -5
How do you rate Cary Bates as a writer ? Pedestrian. Even by the standards of a fairly pedestrian era in superhero funnybooks.
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Post by Prince Hal on Mar 23, 2019 14:10:01 GMT -5
How do you rate Cary Bates as a writer ? Pedestrian. Even by the standards of a fairly pedestrian era in superhero funnybooks. Indeed. Calling his work dull would be overpraising it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 23, 2019 14:22:40 GMT -5
Bates has never impressed me as a writer, though he has occasionally scribed a story I've really liked, like the Earth-Two Superman wedding in Action #484. I rank Martin Pasko, Elliot Maggin, Len Wein, and Gerry Conway higher as Superman writers, and find his Trial of the Flash story arc drawn-out to the point of tedium. His name on a comic won't entice me to buy it but it won't put me off either. He's just sorta... okay.
Cei-U! Trying hard not to indulge in a stupid innuendo about Bates being a master...
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 23, 2019 14:38:48 GMT -5
Bates has never impressed me as a writer, though he has occasionally scribed a story I've really liked, like the Earth-Two Superman wedding in Action #484. I rank Martin Pasko, Elliot Maggin, Len Wein, and Gerry Conway higher as Superman writers, and find his Trial of the Flash story arc drawn-out to the point of tedium. His name on a comic won't entice me to buy it but it won't put me off either. He's just sorta... okay. Cei-U! Trying hard not to indulge in a stupid innuendo about Bates being a master... I'd agree with Wein and Conway, particularly when they...mostly Conway...weren't hacking out huge numbers of pages. Maggin seemed to mostly write Superman stuff. I hate Superman stuff. So I just tend not to rate him because it's not fair. Pasko was the only creator I ever got into a flame war with at CBR (not even Gail, surprisingly). Which may color my memory of his work. A lot of his stuff was pretty meh. But he was maybe a step above Bates.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 23, 2019 14:49:37 GMT -5
Bates has never impressed me as a writer, though he has occasionally scribed a story I've really liked, like the Earth-Two Superman wedding in Action #484. I rank Martin Pasko, Elliot Maggin, Len Wein, and Gerry Conway higher as Superman writers, and find his Trial of the Flash story arc drawn-out to the point of tedium. His name on a comic won't entice me to buy it but it won't put me off either. He's just sorta... okay. Cei-U! Trying hard not to indulge in a stupid innuendo about Bates being a master... I'd agree with Wein and Conway, particularly when they...mostly Conway...weren't hacking out huge numbers of pages. Maggin seemed to mostly write Superman stuff. I hate Superman stuff. So I just tend not to rate him because it's not fair. Pasko was the only creator I ever got into a flame war with at CBR (not even Gail, surprisingly). Which may color my memory of his work. A lot of his stuff was pretty meh. But he was maybe a step above Bates. You fighting with someone on the net? No way.........
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Mar 23, 2019 14:54:43 GMT -5
I'd agree with Wein and Conway, particularly when they...mostly Conway...weren't hacking out huge numbers of pages. Maggin seemed to mostly write Superman stuff. I hate Superman stuff. So I just tend not to rate him because it's not fair. Pasko was the only creator I ever got into a flame war with at CBR (not even Gail, surprisingly). Which may color my memory of his work. A lot of his stuff was pretty meh. But he was maybe a step above Bates. You fighting with someone on the net? No way......... Hard to believe, isn't it? But Pasko was the only creator I got into it with. And I only got banned from CBR one time. That was actually on the Classic Comics board which was notoriously laid back and non-confrontational. USArmyParatrooper and I got into it. I still maintain that what I called him was definitional and not confrontational.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 23, 2019 15:11:03 GMT -5
You fighting with someone on the net? No way......... Hard to believe, isn't it? But Pasko was the only creator I got into it with. And I only got banned from CBR one time. That was actually on the Classic Comics board which was notoriously laid back and non-confrontational. USArmyParatrooper and I got into it. I still maintain that what I called him was definitional and not confrontational. I got a warning from Cbr once over a big nothingburger. There's nothing wrong with a spirited debate as long as there's a level of respect maintained.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 23, 2019 19:35:01 GMT -5
USArmyParatrooper was a gigantic arse. Dan Bailey and I could not stand him.
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 23, 2019 19:59:33 GMT -5
How do you rate Cary Bates as a writer ? I thought he had some good Superman stories and I enjoyed his work on Captain Atom. His Superman Revenge Squad storyline was one of the last Superman things of not (other than Alan Moore), before the revamp. I think Maggin was better; but Bates was good, when motivated. He had a lot of great stories, in the Flash. I liked quite a bit of Pasko's Superman and thought his writing on the post-Chaykin Blackhawk was pretty good, though that comic got pretty warped, as it went along (for its brief life). I didn't care for his E-Man stuff; at First. It tried too hard and wasn't particularly funny, even with Staton on art. Nicola Cuti was funny.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2019 20:21:20 GMT -5
How do you rate Cary Bates as a writer ? He was decent on Superman. Looking back I enjoyed Maggin's stories more. I loved him on the Flash until the way too drawn out final storyline before Crisis. His Capt Atom was a favorite of mine.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 23, 2019 21:43:27 GMT -5
Anybody out there happen to know where the 1984 X-Men and Micronauts mini-series is supposed to fit in the X-continuity? The internal evdence is nonsensical and doesn't match the events of contemporaneous issues of Uncanny X-Men or New Mutants.
Cei-U! I summon the bafflement!
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Post by spoon on Mar 23, 2019 22:06:01 GMT -5
Anybody out there happen to know where the 1984 X-Men and Micronauts mini-series is supposed to fit in the X-continuity? The internal evdence is nonsensical and doesn't match the events of contemporaneous issues of Uncanny X-Men or New Mutants.
Cei-U! I summon the bafflement!
I have The Official Marvel Index to the X-Men which was published in 1994. Then have the order as Uncanny X-Men #179, then Prof. X and Kitty are in New Mutants #13, then Nightcrawler is in Saga of Crystar, Crystal Warrior #6, then all the X-Men are in X-Men and the Micronauts #1-4, then New Mutants #14, and then back in Uncanny X-Men #180. The Micronauts mini is still in my to-read pile, so I don't have an independent insights of accuracy of where the index places the mini.
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