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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 6, 2015 19:24:55 GMT -5
1) Well, "Flash in the Pan" is such a harsh word. But it seems like nobody talks about Frank Thorne, Frank Brunner or Vaughn Bode much anymore.
But Jim Lee was the most popular American comic artist in 1992, and is the most popular comic artist today. Meanwhile his contemporaries like Dan Jurgens, Bart Sears, and even Rob Liefeld (!) (!!!!!!) don't seem to be much of a draw today. Let's have some wild speculation about what makes some artist's work relevant over time, and others stuff... less so.
2) I remember Stephen Platt in Wizard Magazine's HOT ARTIST thing for, like, three months circa 1996 or something. I have never heard the name since, and I have spent approximately 7 of the intervening years on comic discussion boards. Was there ever a flash-in-the-pannier artist?
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 6, 2015 19:38:24 GMT -5
I tend to think it's the artists who continue to really work at their trade that last the longest. People like Joe Kubert, John Severin, Mike Mignola and others grew as artists as they aged, evolving their styles over time and so stayed fresh...while others seem to just plateau and are replaced by new artists. Heck, I wouldn't put him with those I just mentioned, but even Lee's work has grown from his early years, but more than that I think he succeeds for a second reason, which is simply sticking with it; a lot of artists move on from comics to doing story boarding in hollywood or doing album covers or commercial art, all of which present better benefits than working on funny books.
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Post by Icctrombone on May 6, 2015 19:40:57 GMT -5
This subject reminds me of George Perez. He was big in the 80's and kinda vanished only to get a second life when he did the Busiek Avengers run.
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Post by Crimebuster on May 6, 2015 19:50:33 GMT -5
Stephen Platt's issues of Moon Knight still command a significant premium over the rest of that run. It's hard to say whether he would have remained popular, but the reason for his fading away is pretty simple - he quit comics to go into the more lucrative world of film storyboarding.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 6, 2015 19:51:27 GMT -5
I think Perez might have been pigeon-holed as the groups-of-superheroes guy, and that was all the audience really wanted from him. (Although, honestly, I think his strengths are 100% orientetated towards doing Moebius/European style sci-fi fantasy books.)
Although Kirby had a similar career trajectory, moving from a cover-featured artist in the '40s and then kick-staring the genre that propped the entire industry up to.... not much of nothing in the mid-to-late-fifies and then being the most important artist in American comics in the '60s.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on May 6, 2015 19:57:27 GMT -5
I tend to think it's the artists who continue to really work at their trade that last the longest. People like Joe Kubert, John Severin, Mike Mignola and others grew as artists as they aged, evolving their styles over time and so stayed fresh...while others seem to just plateau and are replaced by new artists. Heck, I wouldn't put him with those I just mentioned, but even Lee's work has grown from his early years, but more than that I think he succeeds for a second reason, which is simply sticking with it; a lot of artists move on from comics to doing story boarding in hollywood or doing album covers or commercial art, all of which present better benefits than working on funny books. Yeah, that hadn't occurred to me but sticking with it and being a recognizable name is probably the biggest reason in most cases. (Except Don Heck.)
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 20:23:47 GMT -5
People with a classic style tend to remain popular if they ever get popular in the first place. So someone like Wally Wood or George Perez will always remain popular I think. People with a more unique and stylized look can gain noteriety and then lose it when mainstream tastes change, the whole Liefeld look is a good example.
I don't think Kirby ever lost popularity, but I think his popularity was among people less likely to try something new. They wanted Kirby on Spiderman or nothing. They weren't going to try anything creator owned by him, but would have lined up to buy his return to Avengers like it was the new Star Wars movie. I think those people's tastes are nostalgia based though.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 20:24:43 GMT -5
Is Jim Lee really the most popular comic artist today? That's actually surprising. I didn't even know he still illustrated comics.
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Post by fanboystranger on May 6, 2015 20:56:44 GMT -5
It's an interesting question, and I think there's no one answer. First, the industry is kinda fickle, and fans tend to like what they like. Someone like Frank Brunner doesn't get that much attention these days because he had a relatively small body of work, and that's because he didn't really play the industry's game. I'd put someone like Alan Weiss in that category, too-- they produced fantastic work and have their fans, but their names weren't as big as Steranko's or BWS', so they never quite grew out of cult status. On the other hand, someone like Rich Corben, who would have been classified as a cult artist in the '90s, seems to be enjoying his greatest popularity these days since the '70s, and I'd say that's because he was willing to start taking more mainstream/commercial work, beginning with his Hellblazer work with Azzerello through his stuff with Mignola.
Second, I think Jim Lee's art endures because it's kinda baseline for what we expect from a superhero comic these days. He very much follows an Adams/Byrne template with a little Chaykin and BWS thrown in. You know what you're getting from a Jim Lee comic. As familiarity tends to rule in comics these days, Lee's art is comfort food. That's why DC uses his art as their model these days. I mean, they're not going to push, say, JH Williams III's style on most artists because they realize that Williams is a harder act to follow. (Although I guess they did do that with Amy Reeder and Trevor McCarthy.)
As far as Stephen Platt, he's actually shifted his style quite a bit, and most of his work these days is in the European market, which shocked me when I first heard it. I haven't read any of his Euro work, but I've seen scans and it actually looks very solid. He's not Moebius or Bilal, but he's producing some interesting stuff.
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Post by fanboystranger on May 6, 2015 21:32:38 GMT -5
Also, I think you also need that big book with a name writer before most fans will acknowledge your existence. Lee, of course, had his X-Men run with Claremont.
Back in the '90s during the Image craze, I always wondered why certain artists were more popular than others. To cite three specifically, why were the Image guys or the Kubert brothers or Humberto Ramos more popular than Michael Lark, Sean Phillips, or Leo Manco, all of three of whom I felt were superior artists. Well, those popular guys had the big books while Lark, Phillips, and Manco were producing excellent work for a more niche audience. Eventually, Lark and Phillips would have their big breaks working with Ed Brubaker, but Manco still toils away in relative obscurity. I can't believe that someone who loved the work of, say, Jae Lee wouldn't love the work of Manco (who is also far more consistant than Lee) until I realize that most of those fans of Jae Lee have never even seen Manco's work. You could do this with a lot of artists-- why Chris Bachalo and not Peter Gross? Well, working with Neil Gaiman got more eyes on Bachalo's work.
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Post by DubipR on May 6, 2015 21:33:04 GMT -5
Stephen Platt's making mad ass money working in Hollywood as a designer. He doesn't need comics these days.
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Post by fanboystranger on May 6, 2015 21:38:40 GMT -5
Stephen Platt's making mad ass money working in Hollywood as a designer. He doesn't need comics these days. This actually happens more often than people realize. Brendan McCarthy essentially sat the late '90s and early '00s out because he was so in demand as a designer. (Actually, he designed the new Mad Max: Fury Road movie, but it took years for them to get the funding to make it.) Tommy Lee Edwards mostly does design/storyboard work these days with the occasional comic project.
Platt has a few Euro books, too. I remember seeing scans of them over at comicsbeat and Bleeding Cool.
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Post by MDG on May 6, 2015 21:48:07 GMT -5
1) Well, "Flash in the Pan" is such a harsh word. But it seems like nobody talks about Frank Thorne, Frank Brunner or Vaughn Bode much anymore. I thought I read that IDW is putting out one of those fancy art books of Thorne's Red Sonja. Brunner, as someone mentioned, didn't have a large body of work. And I think Bode's early death really put a crimp into his cartooning career. (More seriously, while Bode was a good friend of Wrightson, Jones, and that group, he was mainly published in undergrounds and fanzines, but never accepted by most of the underground artists as one of them. Maybe 'cause he came out of SF fandom. But if there was more existing video of his cartoon concerts, I think he'd be quite the cult figure today.) i think I'm more surprised by someone like Steranko, who produced some innovative comics for three or four years and has managed to milk them for another forty.
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Post by DubipR on May 6, 2015 21:51:18 GMT -5
1) Well, "Flash in the Pan" is such a harsh word. But it seems like nobody talks about Frank Thorne, Frank Brunner or Vaughn Bode much anymore. I thought I read that IDW is putting out one of those fancy art books of Thorne's Red Sonja. Brunner, as someone mentioned, didn't have a large body of work. And I think Bode's early death really put a crimp into his cartooning career. (More seriously, while Bode was a good friend of Wrightson, Jones, and that group, he was mainly published in undergrounds and fanzines, but never accepted by most of the underground artists as one of them. Maybe 'cause he came out of SF fandom. But if there was more existing video of his cartoon concerts, I think he'd be quite the cult figure today.) i think I'm more surprised by someone like Steranko, who produced some innovative comics for three or four years and has managed to milk them for another forty. Agreed. For someone that did...what, 3 Captain America issues a handful of SHIELD books and one or 2 odds and ends, the man's bilked his tenure at Marvel for all it's worth.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 22:12:07 GMT -5
I think Bode has a cut following. His name is/was a draw back in te underground days. Maybe his contemporaries didn't accept him, but he would headline plenty of anthology type comics, and be invited to the pinup section of many popular undergrounds. I bet a collection of his work would sell today. But I he continued making undergrounds maybe it wouldn't fare so well. I think for the most part people have moved on from comics that fit that mold. He could probably still be a popular contributor to Heavy Metal, or maybe even Dark Horse Presents.
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