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Post by kurrgomaul on May 5, 2015 7:53:00 GMT -5
wasn't sure if I should post this in the Marvel section or here but this isn't really related to movie itself but anyway! here is the article
www.bbc.com/news/technology-32591260
Joss was chased off twitter by people mad at him for the way he portray Black Widow when she (spoiler) she gets kidnapped by Ultron and now feminists are mad at him....but the funny thing is joss has said he was feminist before! He directed Buffy the vampire slayer...now they've turned on him.
I think they need to calm and and stop calling sexism on every little scene in a movie because everything's getting too politically correct now that has taken the excitement out of movie. It's a movie nobody has to be offended or get upset |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 5, 2015 8:06:32 GMT -5
Meh. It's the age of the internet and everyone's angry about some perceived wrong no matter how small. With the internet and too much free time people can really stoke a fire.
If you ask me people should be mad at him from that abomination Serenity. That's at least a valid complaint of a horrible patched up ending to a good short lived TV show. :-)
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Post by thwhtguardian on May 5, 2015 11:33:25 GMT -5
Meh. It's the age of the internet and everyone's angry about some perceived wrong no matter how small. With the internet and too much free time people can really stoke a fire. If you ask me people should be mad at him from that abomination Serenity. That's at least a valid complaint of a horrible patched up ending to a good short lived TV show. :-) I love that movie. Not exactly the best ending to the show but it was a lot of fun to watch. |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 5, 2015 13:08:49 GMT -5
I love that movie. Not exactly the best ending to the show but it was a lot of fun to watch. I liked seeing the Reavers, since they were mentioned a lot in the show, but most of the events that cannot be undone of Serenity did more damage to me enjoying it than the pluses. At the end I didn't find the kind of closure that I think Joss was going after since Firefly got prematurely ended. Like the SW prequels I feel he was better to leave well enough alone. Thankfully, I have no problem enjoying Firefly still, even having seen Serenity. |
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:07:51 GMT -5
Internet social justice warriors have been called the left wing tea party, and rightfully so.It's not simply some people getting offended. It's an organized group of thousands of people who will relentlessly harass anyone who offends them off the internet. They do it time and time again, spreading around people's personal info, attacking them on all their accounts, contacting their friends, family, and coworkers, and doing all they can to destroy the lives of anyone they perceive as a threat. They take this shit VERY seriously, as anyone who had the nerve to call themselves a "social justice warrior" for spending 15 hours a day trolling people on Twitter would.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 5, 2015 19:17:42 GMT -5
And more troubling the inability or unwillingness to realize this is all not real.
Edit: People should not be looking to fiction to cure or be educated on social ills and how to fix them.
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Post by dupersuper on May 5, 2015 19:54:40 GMT -5
We all know the only option one has when one doesn't like a movie/TV show/novel/comic/video game is to send online death threats to the creators and their loved ones. I mean, what else can one do?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 5, 2015 20:04:27 GMT -5
Use the internet for it's intended purpose? Porn |
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Post by dupersuper on May 5, 2015 22:19:34 GMT -5
That's a spoiler?
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Post by coke & comics on May 6, 2015 4:29:14 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on May 6, 2015 6:29:26 GMT -5
“I saw a lot of people say, ‘Well, the social justice warriors destroyed one of their own!’ It’s like, Nope. That didn’t happen,” he continued. “I saw someone tweet it’s because Feminist Frequency pissed on Avengers 2, which for all I know they may have. But literally the second person to write me to ask if I was OK when I dropped out was [Feminist Frequency founder] Anita [Sarkeesian].” It seems like, every day on social media, someone's vilifying extreme feminist groups or extreme anti-feminist groups for, well, vilifying people. The beauty of the age of social media is that it enables us to have larger, deeper conversations about all aspects of what's going on in society, from Fergeson, to Nepal, to Gamergate, and with everyone participating, but we still haven't learned how to have those conversations yet, and so, very much like our political landscape, the conversation is dominated by minority extremists who polarize otherwise centrist people. Most of us believe women should be equal to men and should have value. But extremist viewpoints got involved, others got painted as extremists, a "them or us" mentality unfolded, and suddenly Anita Sarkeesian gets death threats and is now blamed for destroying Joss Whedon's life. "Can't we all just get along?" Edit: for those who assume that Feminist Frequency and Anita Sarkeesian are extremists from these kinds of discussions, here's a textbook example of the kind of thing they do. For what it's worth, I was enjoying their channel long before they somehow became framed as controversial figures in social media. Nothing controversial here. Just intelligent and sometimes humorous social critique: |
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 6, 2015 8:23:22 GMT -5
I like this so much. It's why I don't and have never seen the point of Twitter. But more so, the inability of people to grasp that this is fiction. This is not where to fight the battles for social ills. It's just not. It's comics, or movies, or video games, or whatever medium. We all sit around and entertain ourselves with things we would not tolerate in life. From things as horrible as chainsaw serial killer cannibals, to infidelity and adultery. If you want to make a difference, don't JUST put a ribbon on your car to make yourself feel better ... actually go DO something that will make a difference. I'm not meaning to preach, cause I am as apathetic about humanity as a person can get. But I really liked what he said there. Never have cared for the man's fiction, but he just earned a lot of respect from me. Edit: Found this on the internets ...  |
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 12:01:08 GMT -5
I like this so much. It's why I don't and have never seen the point of Twitter. But more so, the inability of people to grasp that this is fiction. This is not where to fight the battles for social ills. It's just not. It's comics, or movies, or video games, or whatever medium. We all sit around and entertain ourselves with things we would not tolerate in life. From things as horrible as chainsaw serial killer cannibals, to infidelity and adultery. If you want to make a difference, don't JUST put a ribbon on your car to make yourself feel better ... actually go DO something that will make a difference. I'm not meaning to preach, cause I am as apathetic about humanity as a person can get. But I really liked what he said there. Never have cared for the man's fiction, but he just earned a lot of respect from me. Except story is the very thing that allows us to imagine things can be different and strive for them... Story has been what has shaped our understanding and expectations of the world since we as a species were first able to communicate-those cave paintings-story, myths and religion used to shape our mortals, ethics, and values...story, history as we tell it...story....fiction or non-fiction-story shapes our world, so the stories we tell and we share and we pass on are absolutely crucial to how we will respond to the social ills that face our society, to all challenges we will face as a collective entity. If we cannot imagine it, we cannot prepare or strive for it. Equality is simply a fiction we strive to make a reality. Justice is a fiction we strive to make a reality. Reacting to story is part of our biology. It's not just fiction. It is the foundation of what makes us human and sentient beings capable of learning and growing and not just adapting to our environment to survive to procreate. -M |
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Post by Hoosier X on May 6, 2015 13:56:38 GMT -5
Thanks, coke and comics.
But don't hold your breath waiting for the people who blamed "militant feminists" and "social justice warriors" to apologize for spreading the meme they liked without evidence.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on May 6, 2015 14:42:46 GMT -5
Except story is the very thing that allows us to imagine things can be different and strive for them... Story has been what has shaped our understanding and expectations of the world since we as a species were first able to communicate-those cave paintings-story, myths and religion used to shape our mortals, ethics, and values...story, history as we tell it...story....fiction or non-fiction-story shapes our world, so the stories we tell and we share and we pass on are absolutely crucial to how we will respond to the social ills that face our society, to all challenges we will face as a collective entity. If we cannot imagine it, we cannot prepare or strive for it. Equality is simply a fiction we strive to make a reality. Justice is a fiction we strive to make a reality. Reacting to story is part of our biology. It's not just fiction. It is the foundation of what makes us human and sentient beings capable of learning and growing and not just adapting to our environment to survive to procreate. -M I spent some time thinking on this. While I can't argue that it is obvious that people do allow fiction to shape their view of the world and use it as a platform for causes and movements I have never thought it wise. I was raised with the greatest fiction ever written, and have come away with the good and the bad. I think there are enough people in the world that are speaking with truth, that is readily available. Fiction is exciting and easier to digest. There are people doing real things with a real voice, that I choose not to look to Avengers 2 for a moral guide on how women should be treated. Nor do I expect Marvel of Joss to adhere to my guide on how women should be treated in society. But as I looked at various things there's a few things I picked out that I thought were interesting that seemed to apply in one way or another. If it's all fiction, then really, does anything matter? Thanks for making me think M. “Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.”
― Mark Twain
“The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.”
― Tom Clancy
“There's a time and place for everything, and I believe it’s called 'fan fiction'.”
― Joss Whedon
“There is no doubt fiction makes a better job of the truth.”
― Doris Lessing
“The truth is, everyone likes to look down on someone. If your favorites are all avant-garde writers who throw in Sanskrit and German, you can look down on everyone. If your favorites are all Oprah Book Club books, you can at least look down on mystery readers. Mystery readers have sci-fi readers. Sci-fi can look down on fantasy. And yes, fantasy readers have their own snobbishness. I’ll bet this, though: in a hundred years, people will be writing a lot more dissertations on Harry Potter than on John Updike. Look, Charles Dickens wrote popular fiction. Shakespeare wrote popular fiction—until he wrote his sonnets, desperate to show the literati of his day that he was real artist. Edgar Allan Poe tied himself in knots because no one realized he was a genius. The core of the problem is how we want to define “literature”. The Latin root simply means “letters”. Those letters are either delivered—they connect with an audience—or they don’t. For some, that audience is a few thousand college professors and some critics. For others, its twenty million women desperate for romance in their lives. Those connections happen because the books successfully communicate something real about the human experience. Sure, there are trashy books that do really well, but that’s because there are trashy facets of humanity. What people value in their books—and thus what they count as literature—really tells you more about them than it does about the book.”
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