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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 1, 2019 14:13:29 GMT -5
X-Men #46 'The End of the X-Men' Friedrich/Heck/Roth/Tartaglione Plot: Back in New York, after the Avengers crossover, the team is soulfully gazing at the Professor's tombstone, when Foggy Nelson stops by to read the will. Xavier leaves everything the idea of the team, with Scott in charge. FBI agent Duncan (from the back up stories) turns up, but first we get a random fight with Juggernaut... he literally appears out of nowhere.. beats the team up and trashes the basement, then disappears again without explanation.. whether this is a long term mystery or an excuse to have a bit of action in the status quo reset remains to be seen. Duncan then tells the team they must break up so they're not such a target.. and they seem to take his word as an order.. to be continued! Notes: -This is one boring issue... no wonder sales are struggling! I do find the irony of the fact that their trying to see if any of the X-Men can carry a solo book when the later popularity of the series is mainly due to its group dynamics amusing. -A bit of Scott and Jean angst reprised here... Jean is sad Scott doesn't care, while Scott tries not to care... silly stuff. -I do love that Foggy Nelson delivers the will.. good times. Matt Murdock has a one panel cameo as well (he apparently waited in the car?) - The X-Men lose a fight.. again. Jean does hold him off for a while, though, which is FAR stronger than she's been in the past. -Speaking of Jean, in light of future retcons, she does an odd bit of mourning.. tough to justify that one. This is why retcons are mostly bad. - I appreciate the baseball reference.. Iceman says he's going to 'make like Bob Gibson', but Beast saying he's never heard of him because he's a Mets fan is ridiculous.. you weren't a baseball fan in 1968 if you don't know who Bob Gibson is, who had the best season a pitcher ever had in that year. Plot: D Art: B (great Cover!) History: C (start of a bold new direction!) 'And then there were two' Friedrich/Tuska/Tartaglione Plot: Scott and Bobby chat and worry while the mob sets the nooses ready, then get enough power back in time to break free and get back to the Professor. Bobby is convinces, so Xavier mind wipes a whole lot of people and the X-Men are now a team of 2! Notes: I guess they're showing progression? I don't really Iceman ever running out of ice before... Scott gets tired sometimes for sure, but this was really quick. -Xavier is downright evil here... brainwashing a good 2 dozen people to see what he wants... apparently the ends justify the means?
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 2, 2019 13:17:56 GMT -5
Most likely Thomas was just a fan of the character. Rascally Roy seemingly brought back every Golden Age character (at both Marvel and DC) into what was then the modern age. OT, but, I wonder did he ever bring back Rock Man? I saw a page from Mystic Comics of Rock Man U.S.A. (Underground Secret Agent) by Basil Wolverton and thought that it looked pretty cool. Also Bill Everett's The Fin looked cool and I don't know if he ever made a comeback in modern times either. I think I saw a b&w reprint of Red Raven #1 once, there was someone doing those in the '70s, sometimes with color covers but always b&w insides. I liked the cover of #46. That would've gotten 12 cents out of me for sure. #42 got a few dollars out of me as the first '60s back issue of any kind I think I had ever bought. I've seen a Rockman USA reprint (or two) here and there through the years. It's pretty good!
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 2, 2019 13:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 2, 2019 18:26:31 GMT -5
Rockman was one of The Twelve, from the maxi-series of the same name, but bore little resemblance there to the original Basil Wolverton character. The Twelve is a pretty good series, but it doesn't hew faithfully to the origins or personalities of its characters as depicted in their Golden Age runs (not that it really matters, as many of those heroes barely appeared at all).
Cei-U! I summon the 21st-century comeback!
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 3, 2019 9:36:38 GMT -5
X-Men #46 'The End of the X-Men' Friedrich/Heck/Roth/Tartaglione -Xavier is downright evil here... brainwashing a good 2 dozen people to see what he wants... apparently the ends justify the means? Yeah, I know that Xavier (and Scott?) being a Machiavellian jerk is mostly a modern retcon, but there are occassional glimpses of that even in the Silver Age stories.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 3, 2019 13:50:07 GMT -5
Rockman was one of The Twelve, from the maxi-series of the same name, but bore little resemblance there to the original Basil Wolverton character. The Twelve is a pretty good series, but it doesn't hew faithfully to the origins or personalities of its characters as depicted in their Golden Age runs (not that it really matters, as many of those heroes barely appeared at all). Cei-U! I summon the 21st-century comeback! I hate the Twelve so much. Viva La (Real) Rock-Man! Also, I mean, this era of X-men is the worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel, right? I did like the appearance of the Red Raven, but that could only be 'cause I've not read the Simon and Kirby original, so I don't know how much the '60s Marvel bullpen messed poor R.R. up.
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 3, 2019 16:12:12 GMT -5
Rockman was one of The Twelve, from the maxi-series of the same name, but bore little resemblance there to the original Basil Wolverton character. The Twelve is a pretty good series, but it doesn't hew faithfully to the origins or personalities of its characters as depicted in their Golden Age runs (not that it really matters, as many of those heroes barely appeared at all). Cei-U! I summon the 21st-century comeback! I hate the Twelve so much. Viva La (Real) Rock-Man! Also, I mean, this era of X-men is the worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel, right? I did like the appearance of the Red Raven, but that could only be 'cause I've not read the Simon and Kirby original, so I don't know how much the '60s Marvel bullpen messed poor R.R. up. Not Simon and Kirby, Simon and Louis Cazaneuve. And, yeah, other than modifying Red Raven's costume, Thomas was faithful to the one-and-only Golden Age story.
Cei-U! I summon the man-sized bird feeder!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 3, 2019 16:35:43 GMT -5
I hate the Twelve so much. Viva La (Real) Rock-Man! Also, I mean, this era of X-men is the worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel, right? I did like the appearance of the Red Raven, but that could only be 'cause I've not read the Simon and Kirby original, so I don't know how much the '60s Marvel bullpen messed poor R.R. up. Not Simon and Kirby, Simon and Louis Cazaneuve. And, yeah, other than modifying Red Raven's costume, Thomas was faithful to the one-and-only Golden Age story.
Cei-U! I summon the man-sized bird feeder!
Oh, huh. I assume that Kirby did the cover, or else I can't tell Simon and Kirby's individual styles apart circa 1940. (Which is possible.) Aaand the rest I haven't read.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 3, 2019 22:51:37 GMT -5
Rockman was one of The Twelve, from the maxi-series of the same name, but bore little resemblance there to the original Basil Wolverton character. The Twelve is a pretty good series, but it doesn't hew faithfully to the origins or personalities of its characters as depicted in their Golden Age runs (not that it really matters, as many of those heroes barely appeared at all). Cei-U! I summon the 21st-century comeback! I hate the Twelve so much. Viva La (Real) Rock-Man! Also, I mean, this era of X-men is the worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel, right? I did like the appearance of the Red Raven, but that could only be 'cause I've not read the Simon and Kirby original, so I don't know how much the '60s Marvel bullpen messed poor R.R. up. Worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel? Not even close. I would go with either the worst issues of Giant-Man or those Torch/Thing team-ups in Strange Tales. So bad!
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 3, 2019 23:01:48 GMT -5
I hate the Twelve so much. Viva La (Real) Rock-Man! Also, I mean, this era of X-men is the worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel, right? I did like the appearance of the Red Raven, but that could only be 'cause I've not read the Simon and Kirby original, so I don't know how much the '60s Marvel bullpen messed poor R.R. up. Worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel? Not even close. I would go with either the worst issues of Giant-Man or those Torch/Thing team-ups in Strange Tales. So bad! X-men is so much worse. I will entertain the possible notion that the first 20-or-so issues of THOR from Journey into Mystery are worse.
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Post by Rob Allen on Mar 4, 2019 15:45:08 GMT -5
Worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel? Not even close. I would go with either the worst issues of Giant-Man or those Torch/Thing team-ups in Strange Tales. So bad! X-men is so much worse. I will entertain the possible notion that the first 20-or-so issues of THOR from Journey into Mystery are worse. The Al Hartley issue of Thor/JIM is really bad. The Torch strip in Strange Tales improved when the Thing was added.
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Post by dbutler69 on Mar 4, 2019 16:52:51 GMT -5
I hate the Twelve so much. Viva La (Real) Rock-Man! Also, I mean, this era of X-men is the worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel, right? I did like the appearance of the Red Raven, but that could only be 'cause I've not read the Simon and Kirby original, so I don't know how much the '60s Marvel bullpen messed poor R.R. up. Worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel? Not even close. I would go with either the worst issues of Giant-Man or those Torch/Thing team-ups in Strange Tales. So bad! I agree, but the Torch stories in Strange Tales before he started teaming up with the Thing are even worse. Pretty much any solo Silver Age Torch story is dreadful.
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Post by Hoosier X on Mar 4, 2019 17:25:58 GMT -5
Worst of the worst of Silver Age Marvel? Not even close. I would go with either the worst issues of Giant-Man or those Torch/Thing team-ups in Strange Tales. So bad! I agree, but the Torch stories in Strange Tales before he started teaming up with the Thing are even worse. Pretty much any solo Silver Age Torch story is dreadful. It's been a while since I read the Torch issues of Strange Tales, so maybe I'm mistaken, but I remember this one as being REALLY BAD!
Also, the one where they meet the Beatles! Make it stop!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Mar 4, 2019 23:20:11 GMT -5
I haven't read too much of the really bad strange tales stuff.. I'd definitely call some of the worst Thor worse than these X-Men stories... they have a few redeem qualities, and the concept lead to such great stuff later. Some day soon I'll read some of those Ant-Man/Giant Man ones (I have an Epic collection in the pile waiting).. so I'll definitely comment
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Mar 5, 2019 0:31:25 GMT -5
I honestly and genuinely like the entire Human Torch strip. (Although I haven't read the last 7-8.) It's kind of simplified Marvel for younger readers but there's a laid-back Archie vibe which is a relief from the heavy drama of most of Stan's scripts and some really great villain designs.
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