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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 25, 2014 16:44:19 GMT -5
I thought this would be fun.. .what didn't quite make your list, and why.
For me, there were kinda categories.
Stuff that would have made it if I could, but due to the rules (That is, comics I've only read in trade form):
-- Demon in a Bottle (Iron Man #128)
-- Something Usagi (either the one with the ghost in the mountains, or the last Ino story)
-- Sandman... er... not sure.. the issue during 'Season of the Mists' where Lucifer tears off his wings and gives up hell
Things that were too similar to things I did pick:
-- 2099 was always going to have an entry... I wavered between Ravage 2099 #1, Spidey 2099 #1, and Doom 2099 AD. Spidey perhaps has more of a story (it's the only comic I have that I've had autographed), but Ravage is more unique to me. Doom is probably the best comic of the three, but I realized I'd be telling the story about buying Ravage regardless, so I thought I'd go with that.
-- Iron Man #303 - I close runner up to the one I did pick, this is the middle of the 'Crash and Burn' storyline, which bascially had Tony fighting a series of heroes in typical 'first they fight, then they team up' type stories, and which lead to his re-focusing his company (which, as always is the case these days, didn't last long). This one features Iron Man Vs. the New Warriors, which also had a place near and dear to my heart.
-- Iron Man #274 (where Tony is assassinated by a crazy ex-girlfriend, Kathy Dare) almost got the spot I put Aquaman in, but I decided that the Aquaman one made alot more sense. While I was pretty shocked at the events of the issue, they didn't lead to much, and in fact, the Aquaman one had more personal meaning.
Stuff where single issues just wouldn't do:
-- I really wanted some Conan in there, but the issue that most popped into my head was the recent Kurt Busiek re-telling of the Frost Giant's Daughter, which is too new (I think) and didn't seem appropriate. Perhaps if I someday get #58, that'll make it.
-- I strongly considered a PAD Hulk issue (form the Pantheon 'Professor Hulk' era), but, again, there's no particular issue that stands out, it's just a great run.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 25, 2014 18:21:46 GMT -5
There were a number of other folks' picks that could've easily made my list, including All-Star #3 (in one reprint or another), Avengers #93, Avengers Annual #2, Giant-Size Defenders #3, Kull the Conqueror #1, New Gods #7, Saga of Swamp Thing #21, and Superman #202. I also considered Action #484 (wedding of Earth-2 Superman), Amazing Spider-Man #20, Batman #400, Brave and the Bold #100, 104, 109 and 182, Cliff Merritt Sets The Record Straight, Dell Giant #31 (Huckleberry Hound), Detective #439, Fantastic Four Annual #1, Justice League of America #200, Howard the Duck #3, Mad #150, Not Brand Echh #11, Silver Surfer #4, Thor Annual #5, A Wizard's Tale, and X-Men #137. Oddly enough, neither my twelve picks nor my alternates feature the work of Gene Colan, my favorite artist!?
Cei-U!
I summon the remainders!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 25, 2014 19:59:36 GMT -5
Others I considered -
Action 269 - cute early romance for Supergirl; already had 3 stories with her on the list
Army Surplus Komikz 2 - The Road to Peoria; love it, but no personal significance
Creepy 1 - love it, but no story for it
Crisis on Infinite Earths 7 - death of Supergirl; didn't want to use this and the Deadman story
Fantastic Four 25 - could've done 12 days of the FF
Fantastic Four Annual 3 - see above
Hell-Rider 1 - just missed the list
Herbie 4 - no story
Howard the Duck 16 - just missed
Lobo 2 - just missed
Mysterious Suspense 1 - just missed
Not Brand Ecch 1 - just missed
Phoenix 1 - story similar to the one for Super Heroes 1
Strips 7 - tricky to illustrate
Superman 162 - Superman Red-Superman Blue; love, but no story
Superman 205 - Black Zero; another so-bad-I-like-it, it was either this or Adventure 400
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Post by badwolf on Dec 26, 2014 10:51:21 GMT -5
I could have put X-Men #141 on because it really is one of my absolute favorites, but for me it has become diluted over the years by later references, Rachel's return and the depressing JRJR era, the movie. It's still great on its own but I decided instead to go with an "underdog" issue that doesn't get as much attention.
X-Men: God Loves, Man Kills. Honestly, I was so focused on floppies that it simply didn't occur to me.
The final chapter of "The Judas Contract" from Tales of the Teen Titans Annual #3. I wasn't as much into DC but I did like the Titans, and this was a very emotional story that made me feel bad for a character I found extremely annoying. And I even kind of liked Terra, even though she was a jerk.
X-Men #44: Nothing really special about this issue in which Angel escapes Magneto and his Brotherhood and awakens a golden age character called Red Raven, but it was the first "really old" (i.e. before my birth) comic I ever got, so it's slightly sentimental.
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Post by Calamas on Dec 26, 2014 18:20:57 GMT -5
Those that I dropped in the final cut:
DC: The New Frontier #1 Mar 2004 "Our Fighting Forces"
Fallen Angel #1 Sept 2003 "Darkness Falls"
Hard Time #1 Apr 2004 "50 to Life"
Black Hood #1 (Impact) Dec 1991 "Justice, No Waiting!"
American Flagg #1 Oct 1983 “Hard Times”
Each of the above stayed with me in a very large part to the innovated ways in which they were presented. To me “new and different” means something--as long as it’s coupled with quality.
New Teen Titans #2 Dec 1980 "Today... the Terminator!"
Not just the debut of Deathstroke. This is where Wolfman hit his grove. I knew great things were coming.
Camelot 3000 #8 Sept 1980 "Judas Knight"
The definitive display of Brian Bolland’s art. Arthur hands Excalibur to each of his court as a “lie detector.” The power of those images in that sequence are unforgettable.
Shadow Strikes #1 Sept 1989 "Death's Head"
The first time The Shadow resonated with me. It transported me to the 1930s, an era that made The Shadow’s mysteriousness more effective.
Marvel Premiere #47 Apr 1979 "To Steal an Ant-Man!"
Just really liked Scott Lang from page one. Ant-Man was irrelevant.
Spectre #1 Dec 1992 "Crimes of Violence"
Ostrander and Mandrake matched with a character perfect for their talents. This was special from the first moment.
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Post by badwolf on Dec 26, 2014 18:46:50 GMT -5
Those that I dropped in the final cut:Marvel Premiere #47 Apr 1979 "To Steal an Ant-Man!" Just really liked Scott Lang from page one. Ant-Man was irrelevant. Great issue and I really liked Scott, too. |
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Post by DubipR on Dec 26, 2014 19:01:31 GMT -5
I had a quite a few that didn't make the list:
- Den: Neverwhere
- Tomb of Dracula #7 (first Colan/Wolfman collabo)
- Silver Surfer #4 (best Marvel battle, IMO)
- Madman #1 (Tundra Press)
- Pacific Presents (1st Rocketeer)
- Adventure Comics #431 (Fleischer/Aparo)
- Vampirella #1
and the outside chance of a comic that's not a comic, Playboy Magazine, October 1962....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 23:23:33 GMT -5
There were a few that almost made the list...
Secret Origins #10 with the 4 origin stories for the Phantom Stranger almost made the list, and was on nearly every draft of the list, but at the last moment I went with Legends #1 instead because it was the comic that led me to Secret Origins #10 and a host of other books as well, so it had a greater impact on my comic reading, which was kind of the key element of how I chose.
I knew Kubert and Moebius would be represented, and the Incal and Fax from Sarajevo were the ones left off from each. I wasn't sure the Epic Incal GNs would count, they weren't OGNs but they were the first English translations I believe, and that is where I first encountered the stories, but I went with the first issue of Parable instead. I chose Star Spangled War Stories with Sgt. Gorilla over Fax, because I wanted to get a gorilla comic in the mix too to represent my fascination with gorillas in comics.
I wanted something Eisner, but most of the Spirit stuff I encountered via the Archives and I couldn't decide on which OGN to pick. I also wanted to include Scott McLoud's Understanding Comics as it was an OGN, but int he end O chose to leave it off the list. Something form either the Fleisher Aparo Spectre run in adventure, or the Ostrander Mandrake run of Spectre could/should have made the list, as well as something from the Lee/Ditko or Englehart Doc Strange runs, but alas, there were only 12 and the stuff I ended up picking resounded as favorites more because I encountered them in formative years for the most part.
Most of what got left off though was because of format (encountered in trade) or age (less than 10 years old), and knowing they weren't eligible is what lead me to define favorites the way I did, with comics that most affected me as a comic fan/reader/collector.
-M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2014 0:02:58 GMT -5
The two from my 2005 list that I cut out were Son of Satan #8 & Marvel Treasury Edition #10, simply because I couldn't keep them while also squeezing in 4 other issues I loved, which in turn led me to arbitrarily limit myself to comics from my initial period of active reading, 1967-1970. The two excluded comics I would've encountered circa 1976.
Otherwise, I'd also have loved to somehow fit in Adventure #403, which reprinted the "Death of Lightning Lad" saga & laid the foundation for my near-lifelong Legion fanhood, & yet another couple of 80-Page Giants, Jimmy Olsen #113 & Batman #203. And Ripley's Believe It or Not #6, which by dint of my purchasing it at age 7, the summer after 2nd grade, would've marked the first time I'd bought two straight issues of a single title.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 27, 2014 7:15:50 GMT -5
There were lots of Spider-Man issues and also issues of Marvel's Star Wars comic that I could've included in my list, but decided not to for the sake of variety. Also, these three comics would've been my picks for nos. 13, 14 and 15...
The Further Adventures of Indiana Jones #1
Judge Dredd #16 (1983 series)
Action Comic #513
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Post by foxley on Dec 27, 2014 7:30:09 GMT -5
A few of my near misses:
The Castafiore Emerald was on my list as my introduction to Tintin and, through him, the broader world of European comics, but ultimately I decided it didn't qualify as a 'floppy'.
Astro City #1/2 was on my first draft but ultimately I decided to only include one issue of Astro City, and I was confident "The Nearness of You" would make other people's lists (and I was not disappointed).
Detective Comics #500 is a personal favourite, but there is no real story as to why it is important to me, unlike 13 year old me's unbridled enthusiasm for Detective Comics #526.
Batman #400 could easily have made the list for similar reasons to Detective Comics #526, but Detective Comics #526 came out first and holds a deeper spot in my affections.
The Killing Joke was on and off my list multiple times. It ultimately lost its spot to the Sandman Special because I was already a huge Batman fan when KJ came out. The sandman Special turned me into a Sandman fan, and a Neil Gaiman fan in general.
I would have loved to include some Wolfman/Perez The New Teen Titans but couldn't pin down a particular issue that held special significance for me.
Ditto I would have loved to include some Michael Fleisher Jonah Hex but couldn't pick a single issue. I seriously considered DC Super Special #21 to get some in, but ultimately it didn't bump anything else out.
Omaha the Cat Dancer #0 was the comic that showed me that porn could well-developed characters and an engaging plot. Would probably have made a top 20 list.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 27, 2014 9:29:02 GMT -5
A few of my near misses: The Castafiore Emerald was on my list as my introduction to Tintin and, through him, the broader world of European comics, but ultimately I decided it didn't qualify as a 'floppy'. No, under the rules laid out by Cei-U!, I think I'm right in saying that none of the Tintin books qualified as a 'floppy', since they all reprint stories that had earlier appeared as newspaper strips. Otherwise, The Secret of the Unicorn would've definitely been on my list. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 27, 2014 10:38:54 GMT -5
A few of my near misses: The Castafiore Emerald was on my list as my introduction to Tintin and, through him, the broader world of European comics, but ultimately I decided it didn't qualify as a 'floppy'. No, under the rules laid out by Cei-U!, I think I'm right in saying that none of the Tintin books qualified as a 'floppy', since they all reprint stories that had earlier appeared as newspaper strips. Otherwise, The Secret of the Unicorn would've definitely been on my list. You are correct, sir, but not because they're reprints. It's the hardback album format that disqualifies them, which is why I couldn't include "Asterix and Cleopatra" on my list. Cei-U! I summon the clarification! |
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Post by Confessor on Dec 27, 2014 18:42:40 GMT -5
You are correct, sir, but not because they're reprints. It's the hardback album format that disqualifies them, which is why I couldn't include "Asterix and Cleopatra" on my list. Cei-U! I summon the clarification! Oh, right. I thought that since the Tintin books are essentially graphic novels or trade hardcovers collecting newspaper strips (albeit edited on occasion from how they originally appeared) that they wouldn't count? I mean, there's not all that much difference between The Castafiore Emerald and The Spirit Archives from that point of view. |
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Post by paulie on Dec 29, 2014 14:38:56 GMT -5
Ok... The Shortlist...
20. Conan #100
19. Thor #362
18. Kull #3
17. Swamp Thing #57
16. Tomb of Dracula #1
15. Miracleman #1
14. Conan #115
13. Star Wars #38
12. Sgt. Fury #75
11. Marvel Graphic Novel #3 (Dreadstar)
Comics that I consider the best but I left off this year because I do not personally own them (my own added criteria).
Strange Tales #181
Savage Sword of Conan #2
Conan the Barbarian #24
Avengers #93
Fantastic Four #47
Avengers #3
X-Men #10
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