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Post by tolworthy on Nov 11, 2016 14:50:23 GMT -5
To me, what in the World that Marvel Comics is thinking here?Invisible Woman - The Good .......................... and the Bad Aww, give her a break-it's the 90s! Sue's original costume would have looked pretty frumpy alongside Witchblade or Zealot... Ah, 90s Sue. Who can forget?
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Post by tolworthy on Nov 11, 2016 14:47:33 GMT -5
A very long time. In the 70s, when Reed and Sue were estranged for awhile, she ran to Namor, but he ended up doing te decent thing and faking an invasion of the surface world to drive her back to Reed. And even further back, in the Silver Age, the then-unmarried Sue Storm agonised over her attraction to Namor and was definitely tempted by him, while she was supposed to be dating Reed. Where's tolworthy when you need him! Getting broadband installed, FINALLY! We've been trying since the start of September, when we knew we'd got the new house. Long story short, it was fixed eight hours ago! I have rejoined the human race! Or possibly left it again: it's amazing how much work you get done when you can't go online. Still not back on Faebook, or caught up on the news. has anything interesting happened in the world in the last month or so? Regarding Sue and Namor, she seems to have selective amnesia about that. This is what she said at the time: And this is what she said later when Crystal saw another man: You never saw another man, Sue? Really? Of course, they later BOTH forgot that Crystal has a child, Luna. I guess being a superhero keeps you busy and you can forget little details like lovers and children...
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Post by tolworthy on Sept 17, 2016 9:34:40 GMT -5
Using a large hammer to break rocks? Crazy. Who ever did that? Thor also has “super hurricane breath”. The god of thunder creating hurricanes? Makes no sense at all. It can now whip up shock waves by spinning it, heat sparks when it's rubbed The god of thunder creating shock waves and lightning? Where do they get these ideas? I agree. These powers just come from nowhere. No logic to them at all.
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Post by tolworthy on Sept 15, 2016 15:20:42 GMT -5
Also, the Molecule Man really doesn't become important again untill...1984 with the first Secret Wars? That kind of knocks his significance down just a tad in my eyes. I'm sort of framing my historical opinions on Marvel continuity from 1961-1991, so the modern stuff barely registers for me. Unless you are an FF nut who secretly thinks the series ended with issue 200.* In which case the Molecule man was the crowning villain in the whole 200 issue story. His spectacular and unforgettable defeat of Reed caused Reed to disband the team. (Reed then came back for the final triumph against Doom, and said in FF 201 that as far as he was concerned the FF was then no longer needed) * Yeah, OK, there are at last seven really good jumping off points for the FF, but that has to be high on the list.
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Post by tolworthy on Sept 6, 2016 18:04:28 GMT -5
My personal classics are 1917-1994. But that's just me. I think ten years is enough time to start being objective. it seems to me that most comic sites are about what's new. So this is the site to draw up an armchair, put another log on the fire, adjust one's slippers, and take a long pause before asking, was that comic really any good?
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 30, 2016 22:39:52 GMT -5
So-Can someone tell me why Superman couldn't just find a nice planet for the tiny Kandorians and take them out of the bottle? Superman must have known thousands of planets that would be comfy for the Kandorians no matter their size. Size don't matter in the universe, it's how you use it. I wonder if Fantastic Four issue 8 was influenced by this? When planet X blows up, kind of like Krypton, and Mr Fantastic rescues them by shrinking them, kind of like Kandor, he doesn't humiliate them by putting them in a bottle. He just drops them off on another planet. Because as you say, scale is trivial really. How humiliating being bottled. Ask Barbara Eden, she didn't like it. Kandor had it FAR worse. Barbara's bottle was made of brass: at least she had privacy. But every woman in Kandor has to bathe and sleep and dress and use the bathroom knowing that Superman could be watching, and overhearing every sound. No wonder he called the city Kandor: Candour means nothing is hidden. Plus, to add to the humiliation, ever wonder where their food comes from? It would have to be recycled. That bottle has no room for storage, so it's straight from the sewage plant to the recycling center to the table, every day, year after year. And the smell! Not to emntion the heat. Ew.
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 30, 2016 7:53:07 GMT -5
" If I can't trust the President..." I think Superman's position re: JFK is more nuanced. Though to be fair, Superman's position to a lot of people is... nuanced. Of course, this is always doppelgangers, and brainwashing and stuff. Yeah, that's what it is. Yeah. I am sure Superman would never just, well, lose control. ( credit)
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 30, 2016 6:10:01 GMT -5
I don't recall ever seeing him take the poor little bugger for a walk, either. Superman-a dog is for life, not just for Krypton! Not in the conventional sense, but he is Superman after all. People joke about the cape on a dog, but it serves the same function as a leash. A regular leash is both impractical and unnecessary, since both dog and owner have super speed. But I'm betting that Superman has MORE super speed, so he can just grab the cape when he needs to control the animal. Capes are indestructible, right? So the cape is a leash: a tool for grabbing an inferior by the neck. This solves the problem of how Kryptonians can function as a group on Earth, when each one has such enormous power. How do they keep each other in check from day to day? Superman has more power than Krypto, and (being larger) he probably has more power than Supergirl. Indeed, the power dynamics we see, and the fact that the comics reflect American life in the 1930s-1950s, almost guarantees that Superman has more power than Supergirl. it appears that each Kryptonian wears a cape-leash that they are not allowed to remove (even under other clothing). Social superiors can control social inferiors by the threat of choking them. EDIT: clearly this is the established way throughout the universe. Here is Vartox (an older, more experienced superman, who Superman described as a "force for good" in Superman 375) keeping Supergirl in line. I deplore this, by the way, but simply provide this as evidence that their society is even more violent than ours.
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 29, 2016 16:01:46 GMT -5
I knew hot rods were a "thing" in the 50s and 60s, but it's the specific dates and details that interest me. it's like knowing that the FF are about the space race, and then discovering that FF 1 was written in the exact same month that Yuri Gagarin entered space. The general becomes specific. I take it you have no idea what half the things I mentioned (in a reply to slam a few posts ago) are? I know a mustang is a horse, a duster is something that cleans away cobwebs, headers are the data at the top of a document, carbs make you fat, an air shock is either medical or something to do with flying... not sure about these "friends" you mention, but then I spent my childhood reading comics
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 29, 2016 15:38:46 GMT -5
So yeah, Johnny Storm's love of hot rods was very much a product of his times - i.e. The early '60s. I'm surprised that you didn't know that tolworthy , given your love of all thing FF. I knew hot rods were a "thing" in the 50s and 60s, but it's the specific dates and details that interest me. it's like knowing that the FF are about the space race, and then discovering that FF 1 was written in the exact same month that Yuri Gagarin entered space. The general becomes specific.
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 29, 2016 15:35:09 GMT -5
Thanks a bunch. It took me months to stop being distracted by the divine Ann Margret. Now I'm right back to square one.
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 29, 2016 13:48:58 GMT -5
The Interstate Highway System was formed in 1956. Detroit and the Big Three auto-makers were at their peak, building more and bigger cars. White flight to the suburbs started, which required people who had previously not owned autos to buy them. Kids became obsessed with hot rods. Thanks, I didn't know that. So Johnny Storm's obsession with hot rods in 1961 made him firmly of his time.
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 28, 2016 14:07:51 GMT -5
Fantastic Four 171 Trigger warning: you triggered a lot of memories here. I may write rather a lot. "Page down" is your friend. It all started with the image of Ben taking off that thick, complex suit. I have always reacted to physicality, to form and shape and bulk and how interesting things work. That suit, and the way it folded, had me mesmerised. Apparently that obsession with form (as opposed to narrative) is a sign of autism. I was diagnosed many years later (only mild, but it explains a lot). Next was the sense of time passing. I was getting a window into a gigantic, amazing world, with a long past and (so it seemed at the time) a long future. I identified with Ben's frustration and his need to eb the best, but his difficulty with relationships. Alicia wants children, Ben! Just do it! Which brings us to sexy Sue in that last frame. I fell in love with Sue in that issue. Not just the implied nudity, but her modesty and wisdom and intelligence and beauty. Sigh! And her skill: see how she develops her powers without Reed's input. At this period Reed was at his weakest, both physically and emotionally, and Sue carried the team. Years later when Byrne supposedly made her stronger I was not persuaded in the slightest. HERE was strength, and confidence, and insightful leadership (e.g. at the end). This Sue did everything Byrne's Sue did (novel forcefields, offensive capabilities, flight, etc) but without Byrne's Sue-as-victim or Sue-as-sex-object. Then there's the humour: having shown that she is the one in control we get a fun scene with her in a pink frilly apron, and the King Kong image of the eye of a giant gorilla at the window (a theme used to great humourous effect by my then favourite comic creator, Leo Baxendale). This comic had everything! Evena cover by Jack Kirby, with a nod to the original issue 1 cover (I realised only later). And it ends with a message about not judging, and opening up a while new world (literally). All with beautiful Perez-Sinnott art. After reading that I knew that I had to have every single Fantastic Four. And FF 171 is still my favourite FF issue to this day. This issue also explains why I feel the FF story ended a few years later. Here's what I wrote about that issue a few years ago: Now THAT is what I call a comic book.
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 27, 2016 20:33:23 GMT -5
I suppose any revolving team would fit too, as it can be updated as needed (Avengers, X-Men, etc.) But fixed teams re tied to their past.
Batman is a fascinating case. Years ago I read some reprint pocketbooks that really appealed to me. If I could find more like that I'd be converted, the art was polished, and the emphasis was on detective work plus his interesting environment. But there have been so many different kinds of Batman story, and the others don't really grab me. I'm not into violent Batman, impossibly brilliant Batman, campy Batman, super friends Batman, super enemies Batman or relationships Batman. I just liked the detective stories and rich environment with classy production values.
What is it about his character that makes him so flexible? I'm guessing its his secrecy, which allows the reader to infer whatever he wants?
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Post by tolworthy on Aug 27, 2016 9:04:28 GMT -5
They have modified , some what, the origin of the Fantastic Four along the way. I don't think they mention trying to " beat the commies" into space. "Modified" it is putting it kindly. The original origin was intact until 1989. In FF 326 (the issue where Englehart is forced to reverse his story and bring Sue and Reed back) they talk about their origin. Sue specifically refers to beating the commies. Earlier in Englehart's run (FF 309) Ben referred to being a fighter pilot in WWII. But from the moment Englehart left, the origin changed. I detail some of the changes here, but a brief list includes: The post 1989 team were born in a different era... ...and had different jobs ...with different reasons to fly into space ...from a different spaceport... ...on a different spacecraft ...they returned to Earth in a different way ...and landed in a different place ...where they gained slightly different powers ...and a different person starts the team ...and they have a different purpose. ...then their first adventure was in a different place. ...against a different Mole Man ...and so it continues, issue by issue. look closely and almost every detail is changed. Do the changes matter?The sliding timescale has reversed all of their personalities. Take Reed. Reed has opposite values today. Here are two examples: 1. The superhero registration act: the original Reed opposed it, the modern Reed supports it. What has this to do with the 1960s? Everything. In the original story Reed opposed the government (sneaking past guards to steal the spaceship). This was plausible up to the very early 1960s when the entire space program depended heavily on one man (Wernher Von Braun in the USA, Sergey Korolyov in Russia). and back then security was not as advanced as today. But every modern writer knows that one man would never have such power today. So every modern version of Reed has him highly reliant on the government. Sure, modern Reed can oppose the government, but only by being manipulative, devious. The era of the heroic loner is long gone from the space race. 2. Reed's manliness: Reed is naturally a nerd and an introvert. This is how every modern writer has to write him, as it doesn't make sense for a manly fighter to also be an obsessive lab based scientist. But the original Reed was forced into the draft. (As to why he would go overseas and not be based in the US he probably volunteered: he came from a wealthy family so had a reputation to rise to. And it would never occur to this brilliant introvert that he had limits. Reed would never volunteer for the army, but once forced into it his pride takes over) The draft is essential to his rounded character, so that places him in WWII or maybe Vietnam at the very latest. I could give more examples for Reed, and similar examples for Ben, Sue and Johnny. But time is short. You will be relieved to hear. I must stress that to most readers the 1960s links do not matter, and the changes are perhaps not noticed. So for most readers the changes are trivial. But long term fans often complain that the team's personalities have changed (though in one case, Sue, they generally approve the changes). These changes are not coincidental, but arise from removing the team from the 1960s. And the bottom line is that without the 1960s links the FF are just not a very interesting team. The lacklustre movies, and Marvel's inability to make the modern comic work despite throwing their top writers at it, are testament to the team's failure. Take the team out of the 1960s and it is no longer the Fantastic Four, it no longer works. In my view.
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