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Post by hondobrode on Dec 11, 2014 12:35:31 GMT -5
What does that mean ?
It means a couple of things.
# 1 - Marvel is finally going to have a COIE-type event. DC is expanding scope of its Megaverse, and Marvel is going to take their alternate universes and collapse them all onto Secret Wars planet within the 616 itself.
# 2 - From a business perspective, Marvel is going back to the Onslaught / Heroes Reborn playbook and phase out the Sony (Spidey) and Fox (X-Men, FF) characters to a separate pocket / alternate / sub-universe. That way they're still publishing and making money, but effectively isolating those characters they don't have cinematic rights too, until eventually they do, and the other shoe drops and the whole family is finally reunited again.
Like it or not, I think this is what's going to happen. Maybe Marvel will reboot and abandon the sliding timeline too until it, like DC, resets again.
Last thought : They could also make dopplegangers or sub other characters, like Inhumans, or newer characters in the same family of titles that Fox or Sony don't have the rights to, like Silk.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 11, 2014 13:10:03 GMT -5
I've not heard about this. You got a reliable source?
Couple of questions: when you say that Spidey's going to a "separate pocket / alternate / sub-universe", does that mean he'll be unable to interact with any of the other Marvel characters? Also, is there any talk of a Spidey reboot or messing with his origin/continuity at all? And what the hell is the point of all this? Is it just to piss off Sony or something?
Also, haven't Marvel already done two events or at least two storylines called The End? Not a very original title.
And why are we supposed to be excited about another Secret Wars?
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 11, 2014 13:42:34 GMT -5
Well they did Marvel Universe The End by Starlin and Milgrom in 2003 where ... Thanos competes against the time traveling Pharaoh Akhenaten and Doom who each respectively want control of the universe, so he can destroy it as an offering to Death, if I remember correctly. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2014 16:29:46 GMT -5
It's just a lead-in to another event: Secret Wars (yes, again), this time being a big multiversal free-for-all, by the looks of it.
After which, I guess they just cherry-pick whichever versions of their characters they want and run with them, after which nothing will ever be the same!
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Post by hondobrode on Dec 11, 2014 20:13:39 GMT -5
I've not heard about this. You got a reliable source? Couple of questions: when you say that Spidey's going to a "separate pocket / alternate / sub-universe", does that mean he'll be unable to interact with any of the other Marvel characters? Also, is there any talk of a Spidey reboot or messing with his origin/continuity at all? And what the hell is the point of all this? Is it just to piss off Sony or something? Also, haven't Marvel already done two events or at least two storylines called The End? Not a very original title. And why are we supposed to be excited about another Secret Wars? Something big is going to happen, or so they're teasing, at Marvel, just coincidentally the same time DC's COIE anniversary / Big Event with Convergence is. Confessor, I'm not seeing Spidey, the X-Men or FF *** will *** go to another sub-universe within the 616, but I'm speculating that if Marvel were smart, it could have its cake and eat it too by doing that. They still get to sell Spidey mags, but he's kind of in the Sony-verse with his own family of titles minus newer Spidey characters that 616 will use in his absence until he gets back. Same with the X-Men and FF characters in their own Fox-verse. Plus, it's something different, and I think fans would pick it up out of curiosity since it's a pretty big thing. That leaves everyone else in Marvel's non-pocket 616 Avengers-verse to crossover like they normally have. BTW, I agree The End isn't terribly original, but that's part of what Marvel has been hawking here lately. One last thought : Instead of the pocket universe, Marvel could shunt the FF, X characters and Spidey characters to the Ultimate Universe, giving that universe a boost. Not that crazy an idea, leaving the main 616 as the Avengers-verse. |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 12, 2014 18:45:16 GMT -5
Doesn't make much sense to me - Spider-man is hugely popular, and Marvel has successfully used him to sell the Avengers titles in the last decade. Putting Spider-man or Wolverine in a comic can get people to read the less-best-selling Marvel comcis featuring properties that Marvel owns.
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Post by Action Ace on Dec 12, 2014 19:59:39 GMT -5
The Fantastic Four will be replaced in Marvel continuity by The Incredibles.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2014 7:07:56 GMT -5
The Fantastic Four will be replaced in Marvel continuity by The Incredibles. Still, by a very large margin, the best F4 film that has been made so far. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Dec 16, 2014 9:21:21 GMT -5
I keep hearing the theory and I have difficulty believing it. Marvel is publishing a ton of Spider-Man and X-Men comics right now and using its characters all over the place. I can see no reason why they ever would do this.
It just sounds too much like the "Age of Apocalypse will replace the X-men universe forever", "the Ultimate Universe will replace the regular Marvel Universe" and other rumors that come around every time some event starts.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 16, 2014 13:17:04 GMT -5
I keep hearing the theory and I have difficulty believing it. Marvel is publishing a ton of Spider-Man and X-Men comics right now and using its characters all over the place. I can see no reason why they ever would do this. It just sounds too much like the "Age of Apocalypse will replace the X-men universe forever", "the Ultimate Universe will replace the regular Marvel Universe" and other rumors that come around every time some event starts. From what I've read after it .. it's a shame it didn't. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 16, 2014 13:35:34 GMT -5
Doesn't make much sense to me - Spider-man is hugely popular, and Marvel has successfully used him to sell the Avengers titles in the last decade. Putting Spider-man or Wolverine in a comic can get people to read the less-best-selling Marvel comcis featuring properties that Marvel owns. It has never ceased to amuse me that Bendis got credit from some quarters for saving the Avengers franchise (never mind that Busiek and Perez were the real saviors a scant few years before) when he got to use Spider-Man and Wolverine to inflate those sales numbers from the start. |
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Post by berkley on Dec 17, 2014 2:39:27 GMT -5
Doesn't make much sense to me - Spider-man is hugely popular, and Marvel has successfully used him to sell the Avengers titles in the last decade. Putting Spider-man or Wolverine in a comic can get people to read the less-best-selling Marvel comcis featuring properties that Marvel owns. It has never ceased to amuse me that Bendis got credit from some quarters for saving the Avengers franchise (never mind that Busiek and Perez were the real saviors a scant few years before) when he got to use Spider-Man and Wolverine to inflate those sales numbers from the start. Yeah, I always thought that was a cheap way to boost sales and didn't emerge naturally from the basic concepts of those characters. And we see that it's led to the current situation where almost everyone and everything in the MU has to be Avengers-related in some way, or at least that's the impression I get from outside. |
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Post by Confessor on Dec 17, 2014 2:58:43 GMT -5
Yeah, I always thought that was a cheap way to boost sales and didn't emerge naturally from the basic concepts of those characters. I was really unsure of Spider-Man as an Avenger -- or as a New Avenger, for that matter -- when he first joined, but actually I thought Bendis' handling of it was quite smooth and it worked quite well. I can't say the same for Spidey's time in the FF though. That sucked balls! But then again, I thought Hickman's entire run on Fantastic Four was all style, no substance. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Dec 17, 2014 7:51:04 GMT -5
Spider-Man, at most, could be a reserve Avengers (if they even still have those) or an honorary Avengers, but I don't think he should ever be a full member and certainly not in the Avengers AND FF at the same time. If dating a supermodel strains the concept of Peter Parker, being a high profile member of the Avengers and FF snaps it and breaks in right on our collective fanboy asses.
Wolverine's persona barely works in the context of the X-Men (Which was kind of the point of all the great tension and drama that Claremont and Byrne created.) so sticking him in the Avenger's is the equivalent of replacing his adamantium claws with Nerf foam. Totally limits and ruins the core concept for me.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 17, 2014 10:18:40 GMT -5
Spider-Man, at most, could be a reserve Avengers (if they even still have those) or an honorary Avengers, but I don't think he should ever be a full member and certainly not in the Avengers AND FF at the same time. If dating a supermodel strains the concept of Peter Parker, being a high profile member of the Avengers and FF snaps it and breaks in right on our collective fanboy asses. Hmmm...I'm not sure it destroys the "everyman" aspect of Peter Parker any more than all those superhero team-ups he's been a part of. |
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