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Post by Crimebuster on Apr 11, 2016 23:01:21 GMT -5
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Post by Farrar on Apr 12, 2016 9:16:01 GMT -5
Tales of Suspense #78 "THEM!" writer: Stan Lee pencils: Jack Kirby inks: Frank Giacoia letters: Artie Simek grade: A- It's clear that Stan and Jack were not done with Nick Fury yet. While they were no longer working on Strange Tales, they used this Captain America story to accomplish two major things they'd clearly been itching to do for a while now -- firmly establish Nick Fury and his reputation in the Marvel superhero universe, and finally introduce the oft-alluded to threat of T.H.E.M. ... Excellent synopsis/commentary, Shax. I think this may also have been part of an aborted plan Martin Goodman had to redeploy the features in the split books (Tales of Suspense, Tales to Astonish, Strange Tales). As noted by Mark Evanier in The Jack Kirby Collector #44, in 1966 Goodman wanted to shake up the split books' features so that Cap and Nick Fury would be in Suspense; Iron Man And Subby in Strange Tales; and Hulk and Dr. Strange in Astonish. Doing this would mean that each book would be anchored by a stronger, popular character/feature (Cap, Iron Man, Hulk) to offset the less popular character/feature (Nick Fury, Namor, Dr. Strange). So this particular Cap-Nick Fury story may have originally been written/intended as a way to "introduce" Suspense readers to the Nick Fury feature. A month later there's an Iron Man-Sub-Mariner crossover. I feel that was also intended to pave the way for IM and Namor sharing a book.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 12, 2016 17:36:38 GMT -5
Huh. I didn't know that - Makes a lot of sense. The division of features in the split books always bothered me, particularly Human Torch with Doctor Strange... maybe Marvel's most juvenile and most adult hero strip in one book!
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Post by shaxper on Apr 12, 2016 18:39:18 GMT -5
Huh. I didn't know that - Makes a lot of sense. The division of features in the split books always bothered me, particularly Human Torch with Doctor Strange... maybe Marvel's most juvenile and most adult hero strip in one book! Yes, but I liked the pairing of Strange and SHIELD, as both dabbled in the "strange," -- one through sorcery and one through technology.
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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 14, 2016 8:41:21 GMT -5
I think the SHIELD/Cap split book would have made great sense, though. I'm guessing that replacing a strip was seen as less jarring to the buyers than swapping strips from book to book. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have done that when SHIELD was introduced, especially if Strange Tales apparently was the least popular title? Does that article mention sales figures, Farrar?
BTW, I'd never even thought of this, so I checked, and Ditko said that he named the character Dr. Strange because he was going to be in Strange Tales.
Better than Dr. Astonish.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 14, 2016 15:48:52 GMT -5
I think the SHIELD/Cap split book would have made great sense, though. I'm guessing that replacing a strip was seen as less jarring to the buyers than swapping strips from book to book. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have done that when SHIELD was introduced, especially if Strange Tales apparently was the least popular title? Does that article mention sales figures, Farrar? A friend of mine who is a major back issue dealer in this region assures me that Strange Tales is and always has been the least in-demand superhero title from Marvel's Silver Age, if that helps.
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Post by Crimebuster on Apr 14, 2016 16:34:20 GMT -5
I think the SHIELD/Cap split book would have made great sense, though. I'm guessing that replacing a strip was seen as less jarring to the buyers than swapping strips from book to book. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have done that when SHIELD was introduced, especially if Strange Tales apparently was the least popular title? Does that article mention sales figures, Farrar? A friend of mine who is a major back issue dealer in this region assures me that Strange Tales is and always has been the least in-demand superhero title from Marvel's Silver Age, if that helps. It's also the best of the split books, though. Hmm.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 14, 2016 17:37:34 GMT -5
A friend of mine who is a major back issue dealer in this region assures me that Strange Tales is and always has been the least in-demand superhero title from Marvel's Silver Age, if that helps. It's also the best of the split books, though. Hmm. Well, once it hits the 130s. Before that, not so much. Early Dr Strange was pretty rough, and Johnny is my least favorite of The Fantastic Four. I forget who predated Dr. Strange on the title.
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Post by Farrar on Apr 14, 2016 17:40:06 GMT -5
I think the SHIELD/Cap split book would have made great sense, though. I'm guessing that replacing a strip was seen as less jarring to the buyers than swapping strips from book to book. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have done that when SHIELD was introduced, especially if Strange Tales apparently was the least popular title? In 1964 I don't think I don't think Goodman or even Lee were thinking of what feature would complement what other feature. Suspense was working with Iron Man and Cap so it's likely Marvel didn't want to tamper with that formula at the time--it's a case of "If it ain't broke..." When the decision was made in 1965 to cancel the Giant-Man/Wasp and Torch features, there was room in Astonish and Strange Tales. Does that article mention sales figures, Farrar? No, Evanier does not include sales figures. However looking at this invaluable online resource... www.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/1960s/1965.htmlwww.comichron.com/yearlycomicssales/1960s/1966.html...it appears all three split books sold just about evenly--with Strange Tales actually leading the other two by a small margin. So, if it wasn't the actual book sales, how did Marvel determine who among the split books characters were popular? Likely Marvel was using reader reaction--letter tenor/volume--as the measuring stick. Evidently at the time Goodman wanted to do this, Cap, Iron Man, and Hulk were the main draws. (This was before Steranko took over Nick Fury in late 1966, which as we know generated a lot of positive reader response.)
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Apr 14, 2016 18:44:14 GMT -5
I think the SHIELD/Cap split book would have made great sense, though. I'm guessing that replacing a strip was seen as less jarring to the buyers than swapping strips from book to book. Otherwise, why wouldn't they have done that when SHIELD was introduced, especially if Strange Tales apparently was the least popular title? Does that article mention sales figures, Farrar? A friend of mine who is a major back issue dealer in this region assures me that Strange Tales is and always has been the least in-demand superhero title from Marvel's Silver Age, if that helps. Probably due to the lack of movie/tv shows. I figure that will change when Dr. Strange comes out and if Samuel L. gets his own movie. Worth noting - I was trying to unload some late Tales of Suspense (including the issue reviewed above) and they were worth a lot less than the Captain America and iron Man comics that followed 'em. Nobody likes split book anymore. (I still love you, though.)
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Post by shaxper on Nov 17, 2016 10:40:12 GMT -5
Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos #31 "Into the Jaws of...DEATH!" writer: Roy Thomas pencils: Dick Ayers inks: John Tartaglione letters: Sam Rosen editor: Stan Lee grade: D+ Thomas and Ayers continue to underwhelm with lame humor, boring action, and an obsession with continuity that feels far too forced (and this coming from a guy reviewing these stories with a fine-tooth comb): and the plot of this issue is a retread from Sgt. Fury #1, with the Germans capturing someone to learn the date that the D-Day invasion will happen. The lame recycling of that idea aside, how long have the Allied Forces been planning D-Day by this point?? I wondered in that first issue how this series would work from a time perspective if the war was already nearing its end as of the first issue, and apparently the solution to that problem is to have time moving at an utter crawl. Are we to assume that only a month or two has passed across 31 issues? Are we literally getting every day of The Howlers' lives depicted in this mag? It just doesn't make sense. But the one redeeming quality of this issue is the spotlight it casts on Happy Sam Sawyer. I've been a fan of his ever since Sgt. Fury #11, where Lee and Ayers revealed that Sam had been just like Nick Fury until he sustained an injury on assignment that forced him to take a desk job. He's gotten the limelight in several issues since that time, and this one doesn't really do anything new with the guy, but it's still nice to see him get nearly half the issue to fight and face captivity on his own: (note: the injury is never mentioned as he takes on hordes of Nazis by himself) and I always love the complex bromance between Sam and Fury: but, really, there's nothing else of worth to be found in this issue, and I fear many issues to come will feel much the same in that regard. Will Gary Friedrich never get here?? plot synopsis: Happy Sam is given the date that D-Day will occur and is thus abducted by Nazis so that they can get the information from him. The Howlers are sent in and given 30 minutes to rescue him before the place he is being held will be bombed to ensure Sam doesn't spill the beans. Naturally, they get out just fine.
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Post by Crimebuster on Nov 17, 2016 11:26:58 GMT -5
There's at least one interesting thing coming up before Gary Friedrich arrives. Not necessarily in a good story or anything, but interesting.
One note: the allies spent two years or so planning D-Day. It was initially planned for the summer of 1943, not 1944, but the logistics and tactical situation were such that it had to be delayed an entire year. So the time dragging out is more feasible than it seems, though still kind of boring. And that was high level planning - the grunts on the ground probably wouldn't have known about D-Day specifically being planned, other than a general sense that at some point they would likely have to invade mainland Eurpoe sooner or later. But it did drag out a long time.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 17, 2016 11:39:10 GMT -5
One note: the allies spent two years or so planning D-Day. It was initially planned for the summer of 1943, not 1944, but the logistics and tactical situation were such that it had to be delayed an entire year. So the time dragging out is more feasible than it seems, though still kind of boring. And that was high level planning - the grunts on the ground probably wouldn't have known about D-Day specifically being planned, other than a general sense that at some point they would likely have to invade mainland Eurpoe sooner or later. But it did drag out a long time. Ah, that helps. They are offering the correct date for D-Day as of this issue, but it's possible the plan for D-Day in the first issue was an earlier draft, so there could foreseeably be a year gap between issues #1 and #31. Thanks!
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Post by shaxper on Nov 17, 2016 12:01:36 GMT -5
Strange Tales #146 "When the Unliving Strike!" script: Stan Lee layouts: Jack Kirby pencils: Don Heck inks: Mike Demeo letters: Sam Rosen grade: A- Despite the credits, I don't feel much of Kirby in this story. The sci-fi gadgetry that he usually has the most fun with is relatively uncreative this time around and given no visual prominence, and the layouts are pretty boring to boot. Add to that a little evidence that Stan may have steered this script on his own, as the most recent issue of Sgt. Fury opened with an underwater scene because Stan requested one, and now this issue's first major action sequence occurs underwater as well. Normally, didn't Stan offer the big idea for the issue and then leave Jack to work out the rest? Whatever the case, what's most notable about this issue is the amount of developing it does for the previously ambiguous threat of THEM. We're now given THEM's true name as of this story: though Fury won't figure out the two organizations are one and the same until the end of the issue. But we also get a better sense of what AIM is and what threat it poses, with each member being a super genius making them a far larger threat than HYDRA ever was AIM is presented as being an international coalition of geniuses working towards the betterment of mankind, but clearly they have ulterior motives expressed through their activities as THEM. But there's also a conceptual struggle between AIM and SHIELD, one of brains vs. braun. The ambassador for AIM repeatedly drives home the idea that SHIELD should not be led by someone who isn't a genius (perhaps a fair point): and yet Fury repeatedly gets to prove in this issue that he is actually quite smart and thinks ahead more than we might expect, even chastising Sitwell for rushing in half-cocked without thinking in this story, as well as proving to those two AIM agents that text-book smarts and practical smarts are two very different things. Clearly, Fury has done some serious maturing since his days as a Howler. And yet, the very best part of this issue is neither the villain, the action, nor any deeper concepts about brain vs. braun. Instead, it's the little moments that Lee manages to make so memorable this time out, from this exchange between Fury and Sitwell that I really need to turn into a meme of some kind: to this little plug for Marvel: to the sheer mouth Lee puts on the AIM ambassador: to this awesome moment that defines what makes this feature so different from the Marvel superhero books: Just a really strong and fun installment all around, even without Kirby's presence being felt. Important Details:- First mention of AIM (Advanced Idea Mechanics) - Revelation that THEM is AIM Plot synopsis: Fury and the core SHIELD agents manage to find and invade a THEM installation, only to discover just how advanced their technology is and how ready they are to take over the world, while Count Royal, ambassador for AIM, attempts to convince SHIELD to remove Fury as its director in order to receive technology and weapons from them. Fury figures out that THEM is likely AIM.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 17, 2016 16:39:30 GMT -5
Strange Tales #146 "When the Unliving Strike!" script: Stan Lee layouts: Jack Kirby pencils: Don Heck inks: Mike Demeo letters: Sam Rosen grade: A- Despite the credits, I don't feel much of Kirby in this story. The sci-fi gadgetry that he usually has the most fun with is relatively uncreative this time around and given no visual prominence, and the layouts are pretty boring to boot. Add to that a little evidence that Stan may have steered this script on his own, as the most recent issue of Sgt. Fury opened with an underwater scene because Stan requested one, and now this issue's first major action sequence occurs underwater as well. Normally, didn't Stan offer the big idea for the issue and then leave Jack to work out the rest? Just a really strong and fun installment all around, even without Kirby's presence being felt. Important Details:- First mention of AIM (Advanced Idea Mechanics) - Revelation that THEM is AIM Plot synopsis: Fury and the core SHIELD agents manage to find and invade a THEM installation, only to discover just how advanced their technology is and how ready they are to take over the world, while Count Royal, ambassador for AIM, attempts to convince SHIELD to remove Fury as its director in order to receive technology and weapons from them. Fury figures out that THEM is likely AIM.Even before I read the credits, I saw the art and thought it was Andru and Esposito. I saw no Kirby at all at first. It looks like Kirby gave Espo very little to go on. Nothing really wrong with the art, just looks like standard, generic Andru and Esposito, like any one of those Spider-man issues they did. I have to find some examples of Andru inked by someone else to compare it. I have to say this, though. It always seemed to me that the A and E team looked way better at Marvel than they did at DC. Their Spider-Man was worlds beyond their Flash, for instance. Maybe they filled in the pupils at Marvel? Or maybe Andru felt less restricted doing books by the Marvel method?
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