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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2024 18:00:38 GMT -5
It wouldn't have been commercial; but, I'd love to have seen a Jeeves & Wooster series, adapting some of the Wodehouse stories. You'd need a writer and artist adept at character comedy. Same, some of the best comedic material ever and I think would translate to the medium well.
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Post by Calidore on Mar 10, 2024 18:03:11 GMT -5
Seems like Twin Peaks, being lots of weirdness in a highly picturesque location, would be a natural for comics. I see a whole lot of comics that don't really have endings and make no sense, sober. See? It's perfect!
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Mar 10, 2024 18:16:12 GMT -5
I'm surprised, especially after the death of Christopher with the estate being handled by younger generations that no comics set in Middle Earth have been made. There was the one adaptation of the Hobbit by Dixon and Wentzel in the 90s by Eclipse that has essentially been kept in print as a trade since the LOTR movies were released, and the one attempt at a photocomic using stills from the Bakshi animated movie done by Warren, but no proper adaptations of Frodo, Aragorn and such, and no tales told form other ages of Middle Earth.
Also surprised there hasn't been a proper adaptation done of The Prydain chronicles aside from the one half-assed attempt to adapt the Disney film as part of the merch for that film. With so much acclaim (Newberry Awards etc.) as a series for young readers, I think someone would have given it a shot at some point. The Shanara stuff is another stuff I am surprised hasn't been adapted. But then the answer may be that fantasy as a genre didn't have much popularity even in the book market outside of Tolkien and established pulp characters until Lester Del Rey bought Shanara from Terry Brooks and published it (debuting with an excerpt in an early issue of Heavy Metal) opened up the book market for fantasy (and began to impose the artificial structure of the trilogy on the genre), and by the time it did, there wasn't a lot being done by Marvel/DC outside super-heroes and the small market publishers often didn't have the capital to license well known properties due to additional costs of the licenses, and what fantasy was succeeding in the comic market were things like Elfquest being self-published with no licensing costs, and when we see comics try to cash in on the fantasy surge of the 70s and 80s, they often developed their own characters relying on the popular tropes rather than license pre-existing properties to adapt (think like Elflord, Adventurers, etc. that became staples of the B&W boom/bust of the 80s), with Innovation Comics being the lone outlier in the late 80s/90s who built their business model on adaptations (the Anne Rice stuff, Beaty & the Beast TV show etc.).
But as for stuff that's never appeared in comics in any form, there are some kids series that were popular when I was young I am surprised someone didn't try to license, like the Danny Dunn books. Harry Potter is the modern equivalent to that. Not sure if attempts were made and rebuffed, but that was money left on the table.
I'm a little surprised that some popular franchises never got adaptations/comics in their big merchandising pushes, so characters like Robert Langdon (Dan Brown's main character for Da Vinci Code and his other books) and Katniss Everdeen (Hunger Games) haven't appeared in something in comic form (other than Mad parodies). They pushed just about every other type of merch possible for those.
I think part of it is that some of these dropped in the era where super-hero comics were the dominant product in the direct market so there was little sales potential for them there as the audience wasn't there (as attempts like the Game of Throne, Dresden Files, and Wheel of Time comics showed) but before the explosion of the YA OGN market in the book trade happened opening up new audiences and customers for comics outside of direct market super-heroes. Even Twilight, when it tried to exploit the comic market during that period, did so as manga not traditional comics, knowing they had to find an audience outside the traditional comic book buyer who only bought super-hero comics in the direct market.
This was less the case in the 60s and 70s, for properties like Danny Dunn, but then there was a pervasive attitude that comics were "slumming it" and some didn't want their properties associated with the medium, even if they were already targeted at a kids market.
But I think that we may find in many cases where we haven't seen characters in comics that at the core it may be that either potential licensees thought the license would be too expensive to make a profit with potential sales available, or the licensor didn't think the revenue from comics would be enough to overcome the perceived negative stigma of comics in the culture of the time. And those that did had licensors/licensees who were willing to grab anything to throw at the wall and see what stuck.
-M
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 10, 2024 18:31:16 GMT -5
(...) If you're curious about some sword & soul comics (though I think you are familiar with this one already iirc) there's Antar the Black Knight put out by IDW in 2018 written by Nnedi Okarafor (...) which was supposed to be more than a one shot but only one issue ever came out. There's also the recent Tales of Asunda mini from Stranger Comics in 2023 which I believe uses the same world as some previous sword & soul comics they produced (and offers D&D stats for items/monsters in the story). I believe MVMedia also offers a number of sword & soul graphic novels' they're currently keeping some of the Saunders stuff in print (or were last I checked).
Thanks for the tip on Stranger Comics, and for reminding me to visit MVMedia's site, though - I hadn't checked it out in years and didn't even realize that they'd branched out into comics (and it's nice to see that they have digital options for most of those titles).
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Post by EdoBosnar on Mar 10, 2024 19:15:39 GMT -5
Definitely agree about the Prydain Chronicles, and also the Danny Dunn books (which I absolutely loved when I was in 3rd and 4th grade).
And although I didn't really like either the Jirel of Joiry or Northwest Smith stories - I found them excessively dark and bleak - I'm also a bit surprised that they were never adapted to comics, esp. by Warren for Creepy or Eerie, with someone like Esteban Maroto or Gonzalo Mayo doing the art.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Mar 10, 2024 19:24:37 GMT -5
(...) I'd love to see Marlowe, Sam Spade and The Continental Op if they were well done. I kid you not, as soon as I saw the heading for this thread, Hammett's Continental Op was one of the first that came to mind. A few years ago when I was reading Selina's Big Score, it occurred to me that it would have been so cool if Darwyn Cooke had done adaptations of the Continental Op stories. I've thought the Op was a natural. He's not a very typical action hero, but the name is catchy, and one short story (at least) per issue would last for quite a while, and of course two novels when it's time for continued narratives. And although I didn't really like either the Jirel of Joiry or Northwest Smith stories - I found them excessively dark and bleak - I'm also a bit surprised that they were never adapted to comics, esp. by Warren for Creepy or Eerie, with someone like Esteban Maroto or Gonzalo Mayo doing the art.
I'm pleased that Jirel of Joiry is finally going to be a comic!
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Mar 10, 2024 20:16:03 GMT -5
I kid you not, as soon as I saw the heading for this thread, Hammett's Continental Op was one of the first that came to mind. A few years ago when I was reading Selina's Big Score, it occurred to me that it would have been so cool if Darwyn Cooke had done adaptations of the Continental Op stories. I've thought the Op was a natural. He's not a very typical action hero, but the name is catchy, and one short story (at least) per issue would last for quite a while, and of course two novels when it's time for continued narratives. And although I didn't really like either the Jirel of Joiry or Northwest Smith stories - I found them excessively dark and bleak - I'm also a bit surprised that they were never adapted to comics, esp. by Warren for Creepy or Eerie, with someone like Esteban Maroto or Gonzalo Mayo doing the art. I'm pleased that Jirel of Joiry is finally going to be a comic! New Edge Sword & Sorcery is typically a prose magazine (and I have mixed feelings about their long term ability to live up to their promises and the quality of the stuff they have put out). It seems it's a prose revival not comics unless I misread something my quick skim through the article. So far New Sword & Sorcery has been a crowdfunded digital only prose anthology magazine with limited (and expensive it seems to me) print on demand options (they also seem to be paying less per word than Howard made in the 30s for most of their contributors). Nothing I have seen has them set up to produce comic material. -M
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 10, 2024 20:41:17 GMT -5
Oh, I'd love to see some old children's characters in comics, like Ralph Mouse, or the Littles. The kids books that really grab me, at a young age, either had great illustration, which matched the characters, or it was the picture book material that the art and story worked so perfectly together. We had a copy of Robert McCloskey's Homer Price and I just loved the artwork, with the donut machine and I was always a fan of McCloskey's illustration. I always felt that illustrator artists like McCloskey, Kate Burton, Maurice Sendak and Dr Seuss are what drew me so strongly to comics. Babar, Madeline, Curious George....Pooh and the Gang....
Yeah, Alvin the Great, The Whiz Kid.
The funny thing is, there is an audience for that; they just get it in bookstores, from stuff like Diary of a Wimpy Kid, and Smile, Big Nate, Geronimo Stilton, Captain Underpants, etc.
There are some wonderful kids comics in Europe, like Billy & Buddy, Melasine and several more. Thankfully, Cinebooks has brought out a bunch of those.
It's kind of why I am glad that comics still had material for young kids, when I was growing up, in the 70s. You had the cartoon-based stuff, the Disney and Warner material, Richie Rich, the Archie stuff. I recall reading some Fox and the Crow, though it was cancelled by the time I was old enough to see it. Might have been someone else's comic. The Three Mouseketeers. It's one of the things that drew me to Scott Roberts' delightful Patty Cake comic.
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Post by Calidore on Mar 10, 2024 20:50:20 GMT -5
A full Prydain adaptation would be amazing.
I wonder how many people are familiar with the original Mary Poppins, and how well a direct adaptation of the book series might do. And maybe further original stories? Talented enough creators are certainly out there.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Mar 10, 2024 21:16:44 GMT -5
I've had the Prydain Chronicles come up several times in interactions with a handful of comic creators over the last couple of months (mostly in the context of what got you into fantasy or first fantasy series), and several implied they would love to do something with it in comics if the opportunity ever presented itself or if their schedules opened up where they could work up a pitch for it, but it doesn't seem that there are any publishers considering it, just fans who happen to be comics creators.
-M
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Post by berkley on Mar 11, 2024 2:52:00 GMT -5
I think a lot of the ones mentioned so far would be hard to pull off - at least to my individual taste. So much of Wodehouse's charm is in the language, the narrative voice - the same goes for Chandler, for that matter. Much of that would be lost in a translation to a more visual medium.
Then there's the matter of getting the characters to look right - every reader will have their own ideas, naturally, but I find movie adaptations often don't even bother to try. Comics should be better able to come up with a version that bears some resemblance to the writer's description but even with the best intentions the artist might not meet the reader's personal image of how the character should look (I don't like how cover artist Ionicus does Jeeves for the Penguin paperbacks, for example).
So I don't feel much desire to see adaptations of favourite characters from one medium to another: the odds are always against the new version capturing whatever made me a fan of the original. But there'll always be some curiosity whenever something along these lines is done and I'll usually give them a look anyway - so I'll be trying to see Dune part 2 in the next week or so, even though I had ambivalent feelings towards part 1.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2024 3:32:46 GMT -5
I think a lot of the ones mentioned so far would be hard to pull off - at least to my individual taste. So much of Wodehouse's charm is in the language, the narrative voice - the same goes for Chandler, for that matter. Much of that would be lost in a translation to a more visual medium. Then there's the matter of getting the characters to look right - every reader will have their own ideas, naturally, but I find movie adaptations often don't even bother to try. Comics should be better able to come up with a version that bears some resemblance to the writer's description but even with the best intentions the artist might not meet the reader's personal image of how the character should look (I don't like how cover artist Ionicus does Jeeves for the Penguin paperbacks, for example). So I don't feel much desire to see adaptations of favourite characters from one medium to another: the odds are always against the new version capturing whatever made me a fan of the original. But there'll always be some curiosity whenever something along these lines is done and I'll usually give them a look anyway - so I'll be trying to see Dune part 2 in the next week or so, even though I had ambivalent feelings towards part 1. I think the ITV Jeeves and Wooster TV series from the early 90's actually did a very nice job, even with Jeeves cast very young (Stephen Fry still pulled it off wonderfully). So I was thinking of that as perhaps somewhat of a visual reference on how a comic book adaptation could similarly work.
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Post by berkley on Mar 11, 2024 4:09:07 GMT -5
I think a lot of the ones mentioned so far would be hard to pull off - at least to my individual taste. So much of Wodehouse's charm is in the language, the narrative voice - the same goes for Chandler, for that matter. Much of that would be lost in a translation to a more visual medium. Then there's the matter of getting the characters to look right - every reader will have their own ideas, naturally, but I find movie adaptations often don't even bother to try. Comics should be better able to come up with a version that bears some resemblance to the writer's description but even with the best intentions the artist might not meet the reader's personal image of how the character should look (I don't like how cover artist Ionicus does Jeeves for the Penguin paperbacks, for example). So I don't feel much desire to see adaptations of favourite characters from one medium to another: the odds are always against the new version capturing whatever made me a fan of the original. But there'll always be some curiosity whenever something along these lines is done and I'll usually give them a look anyway - so I'll be trying to see Dune part 2 in the next week or so, even though I had ambivalent feelings towards part 1. I think the ITV Jeeves and Wooster TV series from the early 90's actually did a very nice job, even with Jeeves cast very young (Stephen Fry still pulled it off wonderfully). So I was thinking of that as perhaps somewhat of a visual reference on how a comic book adaptation could similarly work.
I've seen only a few clips of the show but I agree, Fry did a good job, and Laurie too, as far as I can judge from such a limited sampling. I'll probably watch them eventually but it isn't a priority - especially while there are still quite a few of the books I haven't read yet!
If anyone ever did attempt a comics version of the characters and their world, I'm sure I'd be curious enough to give it a look but my expectations wouldn't be high. I think Alan Moore or perhaps Grant Morrison could pull it off - Moore already did a pretty decent pastiche in one of his League books, if I remember.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Mar 11, 2024 11:35:39 GMT -5
I think a lot of the ones mentioned so far would be hard to pull off - at least to my individual taste. So much of Wodehouse's charm is in the language, the narrative voice - the same goes for Chandler, for that matter. Much of that would be lost in a translation to a more visual medium. Then there's the matter of getting the characters to look right - every reader will have their own ideas, naturally, but I find movie adaptations often don't even bother to try. Comics should be better able to come up with a version that bears some resemblance to the writer's description but even with the best intentions the artist might not meet the reader's personal image of how the character should look (I don't like how cover artist Ionicus does Jeeves for the Penguin paperbacks, for example). So I don't feel much desire to see adaptations of favourite characters from one medium to another: the odds are always against the new version capturing whatever made me a fan of the original. But there'll always be some curiosity whenever something along these lines is done and I'll usually give them a look anyway - so I'll be trying to see Dune part 2 in the next week or so, even though I had ambivalent feelings towards part 1. Comic adaptations of movies are often at the whim of whether likeness rights to the actors come with the rights to the adaptation, and that is not always the case. If there are no likeness rights, the artists cannot make the characters look like the actors. The same is true of toys based on film & TV properties, if likeness rights don't come with the property license, the toys cannot resemble the actors. The costumes/clothes can be accurate, but not the faces. In modern merchandising, actors usually agree to likeness rights as part of their contract for the film/show, but this was not always the case. For example, the Lon Chaney estate is particularly difficult to work with to get likeness rights to Chaney in any new merch based on his classic films. So sometimes it is not the artists fault the characters from movie and TV in comic adaptations do not look like their onscreen counterparts, their hands were tied preventing that from happening, but most of that happens behind the curtain and in the pre-internet age the fans would never know. -M
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Post by chadwilliam on Mar 11, 2024 17:32:20 GMT -5
Red Dwarf. Other than inside The Red Dwarf Smegazine, the characters have never been adapted to comics. In fact, a few bobbleheads here and there, some t-shirts, a model of the ship, and four books written by their creators, and that's about it for merchandise (not including commercial releases of the show). You'd think there'd be licensed toys, video games, spin-off novels, but 36 years after it debuted, but no.
Solar Pons. A Sherlock Holmes pastiche so faithful to Doyle's characters, ideas, and style that I can't honestly say that I'm surprised that he hasn't broken into other mediums than the short stories his creator penned for him and the longer tales Basil Cooper followed up with, but it's still disappointing that no one's adapted the sleuth for television, radio, or comics. I suppose that such an obvious Holmes take-off needs to stay under the radar so as to not get the attention of the Doyle estate, but so many great stories out there which would work so well if adapted for comics.
The Beatles. No, they're not fictional and yes, they've popped up in one shots and other people's titles here and there, but a Yellow Submarine comic set in Pepperland would certainly have an audience even these days and a 1960's Dell comic featuring the guys they played Help! is the sort of comic you scour back issue boxes for in your dreams.
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