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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 17, 2023 9:15:11 GMT -5
I'm constantly surprised by the amount of love Uncle Scrooge gets in the forum. He's obviously a cherished character to a lot of folks, but it must be very much an American thing, I guess. The character isn't known over here in the UK (though, the main Disney characters like Mickey, Donald, Goofy etc are, of course). My impression is the comics are bigger in Europe than America. I've been to cons in Germany, Poland, Italy, and found them obsessed with Barks and Rosa. I’m not disputing that, I think I just might hate the character instead of finding him lovable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2023 9:15:12 GMT -5
Day 5 Joker
First appearance: Batman 1
Spinoffs: Joker 1-9 (1975), Joker: Last Laugh (2001)
My Clown Prince of Crime has been the thorn in Batman's side since Batman #1. He's the most vile of villains in the DCU and is pure entertainment. He finally got his spinoff in 1975, when a genius thought he should get his own series - even if the Comics Code Authority (CCA) at the time would have badly watered down his full potential.
He's still a murderer, but not the bizarre surreal psychopath with the warped, sadistic sense of humour seen in other Joker fare like "Joker's Five-Way Revenge", or "The Laughing Fish". Not to mention he had to abide by the CCA's requirement that criminals must be punished for their deeds every time. It also forced Joker to challenge others with madcap pranks, instead of pushing them to their limits.
Nevertheless, he's still one of my top villains of all time, and taken in context when the series was published, it's maybe about as 'average' as it could get. Batman is on a sabbatical somewhere so Joker tries to outdo other villains or torment other DC heroes such as Green Arrow and The Creeper. I still got a fun read even if the plots are pretty meh...
I'd get into the other series, The Last Laugh, but it's tied in with a tonne of other books that I still have to forage for, far less dive into, so the joke's on me.
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Post by Confessor on Dec 17, 2023 9:24:14 GMT -5
My impression is the comics are bigger in Europe than America. I've been to cons in Germany, Poland, Italy, and found them obsessed with Barks and Rosa. I mostly know Scrooge from Duck Tales. Did it not air in the UK? Yeah, so I just asked my non-comic reading wife and she knew exactly who Scrooge McDuck was. Apparently, there were comic books and a very popular cartoon (Duck Tales?) featuring him when she was a little girl and she reckons that a lot of people in the UK would know him. So, I'm clearly talking out of my ar*e. He must've just passed me by.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 17, 2023 9:54:31 GMT -5
I'm constantly surprised by the amount of love Uncle Scrooge gets in the forum. He's obviously a cherished character to a lot of folks, but it must be very much an American thing, I guess. The character isn't known over here in the UK (though, the main Disney characters like Mickey, Donald, Goofy etc are, of course). Yeah, no. Others here are probably more knowledgeable about this, but I can say off the top of my head that Uncle Scrooge is quite popular in a number of European countries like the Netherlands, Denmark, Italy, Spain, etc. In fact, I recall listening to a podcast interview with Don Rosa years ago in which he claimed that the Disney comics, and Scrooge in particular, are more popular outside of the US. When IDW ran that reprint series a couple years back it was definitely all European reprints.... Italian mostly I think? (Shax probably remembers). I have a goood friend that was raised in Portugual that mentioned one time that they were popular there too. Some of the popularity definitely has to do with Duck Tales, which I think is one of the best cartoons ever, but Barks and Rosa are both amazing. He may be on my list a little later (I was definitely not very original this year apparently)
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 17, 2023 10:04:11 GMT -5
On the fifth day of Classic Comics Christmas I present you with... #8: Zatanna!This is another spin off character that always has me wondering why she isn't bigger than she is. After first appearing in 1964's Hawkman #4 before then crossing over with just about all of DC's flagship titles and culminating in a storyline in Justice League of America...and yet she failed to launch her own title. She never vanished completely from the scene however, appearing in back ups and guest shots in the 70's and 80's and in the 90's she finally got her own miniseries but she's never really reached broad acclaim for some reason. For my money, Paul Dini's 2010 series was by far my favorite of her appearances and really took advantage of her range. She can tell gritty noir detective stories, zany fantasy yarns, horror tales or even mystical action packed adventures and it never feels out of character or her scope for a traveling stage magician with real magical powers.
Annataz uoy evol I!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 17, 2023 10:05:00 GMT -5
8. West Coast Avengers y When I first got into comics in the early 90s, I was annoyed the Avengers didn't have the character I expected in it.... like with alot of things at the time, I ended up buying as many back issues from 8-10 years before as I did current stuff. It also was referenced a couple times in the next book on my list, that I WAS buying at the time. (I miss those little editorial references the editors used to use.. those were so great!) Very high on that list was West Coast Avengers. While I initially picked it up because it was the one I could afford that Iron Man was in, what really made those early issues was Hawkeye and Mockingbird. Between their relationship issues and Hawkeye trying so hard to prove himself and recruit there was all sort of fun stuff simmering in the background while the superheroing happened. I just really loved Lost in Space-Time especially... for a long time I specifically avoided Byrne because of what he did to Vision and Scarlet Witch (though clearly others must have liked it more than I did).
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 17, 2023 10:09:20 GMT -5
8. Gotham Central
Gotham Central #1-40, 2002-06, by Ed Brubaker, Greg Rucka, Michael Lark et al. If we didnt have this "classic" rule, the amazing recent Nightwing work by Tom Taylor would certainly be a contender! Man, I don't know how I didn't think of this as a spin off! It's easily one of my favorite comics of all time, it might even out rank Hellboy in terms of books I'd want if stranded on a desert island, and yet it didn't cross my mind. I definitely agree about the recent Nightwing as well, I thought about including Dick but none of his previous runs really lit a fire under me despite occasionally have some great writers until Taylor's current run.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 17, 2023 10:12:48 GMT -5
Fantastic selection. Didn't even dawn me that it's a spin-off. Gordon. Bullock. Montana... all used multiple times. I love that series so much.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 17, 2023 10:15:17 GMT -5
I was expecting Joker to be on someone's list down the line. Glad to see it. While I liked his series, I wasn't too big on the Joker's Last Laugh as it ruined a ton of monthly DC books to shoehorn a tie-in issue in between arcs. Great Bolland covers, not much else. Now Emperor Joker on the other hand....
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 17, 2023 11:24:16 GMT -5
(...) Barks' and Rosa's Scrooge stories are as much adventure comics as they are humor comics. As adventure comics, their plots are more engaging and complex than your usual superhero slugfests; as humor comics, a single installment is more genuinely laugh-provoking than the entire collection of, say, the Atlas-era "funny" comics. (...) I haven't read enough by Rosa to make an assessment either way, but I have to emphatically agree with this characterization of Barks' stories, and its not just the Scrooge stories, as the same applies to many of his Donald Duck stories as well.
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Post by MDG on Dec 17, 2023 11:35:40 GMT -5
(...) Barks' and Rosa's Scrooge stories are as much adventure comics as they are humor comics. As adventure comics, their plots are more engaging and complex than your usual superhero slugfests; as humor comics, a single installment is more genuinely laugh-provoking than the entire collection of, say, the Atlas-era "funny" comics. (...) I haven't read enough by Rosa to make an assessment either way, but I have to emphatically agree with this characterization of Barks' stories, and its not just the Scrooge stories, as the same applies to many of his Donald Duck stories as well. Exactly--whether a short humor story or a longer adventure, they are entertaining, funny, suspenseful (when appropriate) and page-for-page a much more satisfying reading experience than most superhero stories. Often with richer characterization.
Same for Stanley's Little Lulu.
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 17, 2023 11:46:22 GMT -5
Day Five (#6) Red Sonja (Marvel Feature and Red Sonja series)Unlike my fellow baseball lover@mrpsmissives, whose entry focuses primarily on later series, I didn’t follow Red Sonja at all after the end of her Marvel series, which I enjoyed quite a bit and are the reason she made my list. I had known her first from the Barry Smith-Roy Thomas version in Conan 24 and a year or so later read Robert E. Howard’s 16th century historical adventure, “The Shadow of the Vulture,” in which Red Sonya of Rogatino is a minor character. I was a more active fan of sword and sorcery and of Howard in particular back then, and to read more adventures set in the Hyborian Age made me happy. A big selling point for me was the artwork of Frank Thorne, whom I had first followed on DC’s Tomahawk. Thorne’s work combined the best of Kubert and Toth, resulting in comics with an almost European look that was very different from the house-style comics that were still the norm at Marvel and DC. Active, emotional, exotic, beautifully laid out and designed, deceptively loose-looking and with a great eye for expressive faces and imaginative detail, Thorne’s pages brought to life a Hyborian Age quite unlike John Buscema’s. More than the stories, I bought Red Sonja for Thorne's art. Buscema’s Hyborian Age was more grounded in classic adventure-fantasy like Hal Foster’s, and I enjoyed that, too, but Thorne also took from Arabic and Indian influences with wizards bedecked in strings of pearls, draped in chains, wearing elaborate earrings and bejeweled costumes. (FWIW, I think that Frank Miller’s designs for the Persians and Xerxes in 300 were influenced by Thorne’s Red Sonja and later similar titles he worked on.) I loved the Red Sonja series for giving us a bit more of a balanced view of Hyborian Age culture, and specifically for being the stories of a strong woman in a decidedly male world. But, as is so often true of characters in popular culture, they don’t really get a chance to grow or change much, and so Red Sonja eventually became like much of the Conan title: monster/wizard/enemy of the month. Thus, when Thorne was gone (#11), I was too. Plus, I have to admit that I really preferred her in her original Barry Smith garb; the chainmail bikini was ridiculous to begin with and was purely stereotypical fan service (before the term was coined). And when Sonja came down with Power Girl Syndrome, you wondered just how she could swing that sword of hers without causing herself serious upper body injury. Fun while it lasted, though. And I’ll never know why Thorne was considered an acquired taste.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 17, 2023 13:07:23 GMT -5
On the Fifth Day of X-mas, Giffen gave to me a Bug and his dolllly! Ambush Bug
He's been covered before and I'm kind of busy today...so I slotted him in here. I picked up the first Ambush Bug mini out of quarter boxes...because that was a thing I used to be able to do. And it was a brilliant move on my part. The Bug and Giffen were Meta when Meta wasn't cool. And it helped that he had the sidekick that epitomized the usefulness of sidekicks in Cheeks, the Toy Wonder. This was absolutely the point at which I began to no longer take superhero funnybooks and their continuity seriously.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 17, 2023 16:14:31 GMT -5
8. Howard the Duck
The American comics I read as a kid were published in French by Éditions Héritage in Québec. They were in black and white, and although they cost a penny more than the originals, they had a higher page count; all the space usually devoted to ads for X-Ray goggles and Charles Atlas booklets were replaced by fill-in stories. Initially, these came from Marvel western or mystery mags; then, when I started High School, the back-up features switched to regular series. (We only got a half-issue of the back-up series for every regular issue of the title character, but it was still a good deal).
One of my favourites, Maître du Kung-Fu, started hosting the adventures of a Donald Duck-reminiscent fowl named Howard. I took an instant liking to HtD: like many series published in France under the pen of people like Goscinny, Fred and Gotlib, Howard was filled with absurd humour and clear-eyed indictments of many aspects of our modern world. Teenage me could really emphasize with the "WAUUGH!" shout of despair a distraught Howard would regularly emit. I admit that a lot of the jokes went right over my head (a financial wizard named Pro-Rata, for example, or an unstable tower made of credit cards) but I was still extremely entertained and felt a little smarter each time.
I loved the first six Gerber issues (that's about all I read originally) and later dutifully read the Mantlo magazines, because unlike the comics those mags were available in our town. They had their moments. Most of the rest of Gerber's run I got from an empty-the-stockroom sale at my LCS in Gaithersburg, MD, several years later. Ten cents apiece... it's almost scandalous. But I'm not complaining. (That's the same sale that got me a ton of Valiant comics).
I didn't read the later Howard stuff. I saw an excerpt somewhere advertising the return of Gerber to his creation, and in that one page he managed to elicit a chuckle by having Beverly dress as a ninja, having been told by her agent that it was a good career move. That was Gerber, all right! But I never much cared for the redesign of Howard than came later yet, especially now that Disney owns Marvel and is unlikely to sue itself over copyright infringements. His original features were just fine the way they were! I've no idea if anyone managed to recapture the original's magic when it comes to social commentary either.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 17, 2023 17:21:02 GMT -5
#8 Eternal Warrior ( Gilad Anni-Padda)First appearance: Solar Man of the Atom #10 ( Valiant)Creators: Jim Shooter/ Don PerlinSeries covered : Eternal Warrior 1-6Series Team: Jim Shooter/Kevin Van Hook/ John DixonOf all the Valiant books, this by far was my favorite. It follows the adventures of a person who was born in BC and fights to protect the earth. He is long lived and can heal from his injuries , and the series instantly hooked me by always having an opening sequence set in the past. Whether it’s Egypt, Mesopotamia or Feudal Japan, it shows his relentless fight to protect the world against evil. He is guided by the Geomancer , a fascinating person who talks to the earth and other objects to see what has happened or what is coming. The role of the Geomancer is passed from generation to generation and the present day one is a 12 year old boy. The series is grounded in the present as he works with various agencies as well as with some of the other Valiant heroes to battle various foes, He has an recurring arch enemy called Caldon who is constantly reincarnated so he faces off against him every 20 or so years. The series started off with John Dixon art and BWS took over the writing and Artwork with issue #6 for a few issues. Unfortunately, the decline in artwork and writing hurt the book and it only lasted 50 issues. I loved the concept and it was weird to see BWS write this book at the same time he also wrote Archer and Armstrong. He did the funniest and the most grim book at the same time. Great Yvel Guichet/ John Dixon splash from issue # 4
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