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Post by coke & comics on Nov 29, 2023 16:40:26 GMT -5
No, additional titles starring established characters do not count as spin-offs, except in those cases where a team member receives his/her own solo series (e.g. “Human Torch” in Strange Tales). Well I think we know what everyone will be voting for then! |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Nov 29, 2023 16:55:48 GMT -5
The only exception I would make is for female counterparts like Supergirl or She-Hulk. But She-Hulk debuted in her own title, so wouldn't that be prohibited for the same reason that Longshot is? Thanks for taking the time to answer all of these, and I am so glad that you didn't need the oral surgery! Darn, I didn't think of that! She was pretty high up on my list too. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 29, 2023 17:34:56 GMT -5
MRPs_Missives asked: “[W]ould a spin-off title of the same character count-for instance Savage Sword of Conan or King Conan spinning off of Conan the Barbarian or Spectacular Spider-Man spinning off of Amazing Spider-Man. I think I know the answer, but want to double check before I look elsewhere.” No, additional titles starring established characters do not count as spin-offs, except in those cases where a team member receives his/her own solo series (e.g. “Human Torch” in Strange Tales). ... Cei-U! I summon the judge's ruling!
I think this probably answers my question too: I take it that Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD would not count as a spin-off of Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos?
edit: wait, perhaps it could, if the Howling Commandos counts as a team rather than a solo book?
Actually, because it's not just more of the same, I consider the Fury SHIELD series a legitimate spin-off (since it's one of my twelve, I kinda have to).
Cei-U!
And no, Slam, Popeye is not eligible.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 29, 2023 17:36:49 GMT -5
I think this probably answers my question too: I take it that Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD would not count as a spin-off of Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos?
edit: wait, perhaps it could, if the Howling Commandos counts as a team rather than a solo book?
Actually, because it's not just more of the same, I consider the Fury SHIELD series a legitimate spin-off (since it's one of my twelve, I kinda have to).
Cei-U!
And no, Slam, Popeye is not eligible.
But he spun out of Thimble Theater into his very own funnybook. Fine. I'm down to an equivocal Eleven. |
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Post by Farrar on Nov 29, 2023 18:03:44 GMT -5
One of my favorite characters back then, the Thorn/Rose Forrest, first appeared in a Lois Lane story in LL #105, as a prelude to her own back-up feature that began in that same issue. She is not eligible, right?
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Post by berkley on Nov 29, 2023 20:49:05 GMT -5
I think this probably answers my question too: I take it that Nick Fury Agent of SHIELD would not count as a spin-off of Sgt. Fury and His Howling Commandos? edit: wait, perhaps it could, if the Howling Commandos counts as a team rather than a solo book?
Actually, because it's not just more of the same, I consider the Fury SHIELD series a legitimate spin-off (since it's one of my twelve, I kinda have to). Cei-U!
And no, Slam, Popeye is not eligible.
Lucky for me, since I'm having a harder time coming up with twelve than I thought I would.
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Post by DubipR on Nov 29, 2023 23:00:47 GMT -5
I think I have 12... this is tougher than I thought. Again, I'm winging this like I usually do.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 30, 2023 1:27:48 GMT -5
I think Coke & Comics asked this earlier, and I'm guessing the answer will be "no", but is Spider-Man eligible?
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Post by shaxper on Nov 30, 2023 5:36:44 GMT -5
Just realized that Master of Kung Fu isn't eligible because Shang Chi first appeared in his own feature in a try-out title. Dagnabbit.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 30, 2023 6:39:35 GMT -5
I think Coke & Comics asked this earlier, and I'm guessing the answer will be "no", but is Spider-Man eligible? No, sorry. |
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Post by Confessor on Nov 30, 2023 7:54:52 GMT -5
I'm trying to conpile my 12, but I must be dumb because I'm getting really confused about what is eligable and what isn't. So Cei-U!, if a character started off in his own strip in a comic book with several strips in it, but then graduated to having his own title, a la Jonah Hex, who first appeared in All-Star Western as the lead character in one story that sat alongside two other unrelated strips, that character wouldn't be eligable, right? The character would've had to have started off as a co-star in their original appearances, not the lead character? So, Jonah Hex wouldn't be eligable? But Wolverine would be, because he originally appeared as a co-star in a Hulk comic, yes? |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 30, 2023 8:05:47 GMT -5
I'm trying to concoct my 12, but I must be dumb because I'm getting really confused about what is eligable and what isn't. So Cei-U! , if a character started off in his own strip in a comic book with several strips in it, but then graduated to having his own title, a la Jonah Hex, who first appeared in All-Star Western as the lead character in one story that sat alongside two other unrelated strips, that character wouldn't be eligable, right? The character would've had to have started off as a co-star in their original appearances, not the lead character? So, Jonah Hex wouldn't be eligable? But Wolverine would? Yes, that's correct. However, the series is eligible if it appears as a back-up in the title in which the character first appeared, as in "Kid Flash" in The Flash or "Tales of Asgard" in Journey into Mystery/Thor.
Cei-U! I summon the clarification!
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Post by Confessor on Nov 30, 2023 8:18:35 GMT -5
I'm trying to concoct my 12, but I must be dumb because I'm getting really confused about what is eligable and what isn't. So Cei-U! , if a character started off in his own strip in a comic book with several strips in it, but then graduated to having his own title, a la Jonah Hex, who first appeared in All-Star Western as the lead character in one story that sat alongside two other unrelated strips, that character wouldn't be eligable, right? The character would've had to have started off as a co-star in their original appearances, not the lead character? So, Jonah Hex wouldn't be eligable? But Wolverine would? Yes, that's correct. However, the series is eligible if it appears as a back-up in the title in which the character first appeared, as in "Kid Flash" in The Flash or "Tales of Asgard" in Journey into Mystery/Thor.
Cei-U! I summon the clarification!
OK, I think I've got it, but I'm definitely gonna run my 12 by you ahead of the start, just to be sure.  EDIT: And generally speaking, are you expecting people's enteries to be whole runs (long or short) or are you expecting them to just list characters? Or both? |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 30, 2023 8:36:36 GMT -5
Yes, that's correct. However, the series is eligible if it appears as a back-up in the title in which the character first appeared, as in "Kid Flash" in The Flash or "Tales of Asgard" in Journey into Mystery/Thor.
Cei-U! I summon the clarification!
OK, I think I've got it, but I'm definitely gonna run my 12 by you ahead of the start, just to be sure. EDIT: And generally speaking, are you expecting people's enteries to be whole runs (long or short) or are you expecting them to just list characters? Or both? Not characters. Series. And you can cite every incarnation of that series (e.g., every Moon Knight series), a single incarnation (the 1985 MK mini-series), or a specific run (the "Moon Kings" story from #7-8 of the 1980 series) as justification for your selection.
Cei-U! Did I just clear or muddy the waters?
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 30, 2023 8:37:04 GMT -5
I'm trying to concoct my 12, but I must be dumb because I'm getting really confused about what is eligable and what isn't. So Cei-U! , if a character started off in his own strip in a comic book with several strips in it, but then graduated to having his own title, a la Jonah Hex, who first appeared in All-Star Western as the lead character in one story that sat alongside two other unrelated strips, that character wouldn't be eligable, right? The character would've had to have started off as a co-star in their original appearances, not the lead character? So, Jonah Hex wouldn't be eligable? But Wolverine would? Yes, that's correct. However, the series is eligible if it appears as a back-up in the title in which the character first appeared, as in "Kid Flash" in The Flash or "Tales of Asgard" in Journey into Mystery/Thor.
Cei-U! I summon the clarification!
That’s so weird, about Kid Flash. I think ANY story be it back up or not that features the character as the lead would be ineligible. But Kid Flash wasn’t a separate story, was it ? |
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