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Post by commond on May 31, 2023 7:54:25 GMT -5
I remember the media selling it as a sales gimmick and it being glaringly obvious that he wouldn't stay dead. I treated it the same way I did a summer blockbuster. I can't remember which issues I ordered, but I definitely placed an order with my local comic book shop for some part of the storyline. I don't have any negative feelings about it. It didn't ruin Superman for me. I quite liked the triangle era of Superman, and the Byrne reboot before that, which is partially why I was open to the Death of Superman storyline. I definitely remember reading the issue where he came back. I didn't mind the new characters, either. Overall, I'd say it was just another Superman storyline and it was about as non-offensive as an overhyped storyline gets. I absolutely do not care whether it led to the speculator bubble bursting. Sorry if anyone thought they'd get rich off it.
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Post by shaxper on May 31, 2023 7:58:37 GMT -5
I'll never understand why The Death of Superman got so much flack from the same people that proudly bought all five versions of X-Men #1.
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Post by commond on May 31, 2023 8:02:06 GMT -5
I'll never understand why The Death of Superman got so much flack from the same people that proudly bought all five versions of X-Men #1. Spider-Man, X-Force, X-Men.. it was an exciting time to be alive.
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Post by shaxper on May 31, 2023 8:03:28 GMT -5
I'll never understand why The Death of Superman got so much flack from the same people that proudly bought all five versions of X-Men #1. Spider-Man, X-Force, X-Men.. it was an exciting time to be alive. I have extremely mixed feelings on the era myself, but more power to you if it makes you happy, right?
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Post by shaxper on May 31, 2023 8:07:02 GMT -5
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Post by Cei-U! on May 31, 2023 8:12:49 GMT -5
I was abut halfway through an eight ear break from reading/collecting comic books when these stories came out, and it would be another seven before I actually read them. I was not impressed. The death itself was contrived and pointlessly unheroic, Doomsday is a nothing chaaracter, and the whole thing went on way too long. The only things about that era I liked or even remember were the new Superboy and the art of Jon Bogdanove.
Cei-U! I summon the "meh"!
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2023 8:13:22 GMT -5
Sorry if anyone thought they'd get rich off it. I’m not sorry. Did anyone ever see this: I don’t necessarily agree with his comments. He’s right that Superman was killed off many times, but I am not certain, as the replies here show, that anyone was gullible or naive about Superman staying dead in 1993.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2023 8:35:04 GMT -5
I was totally unimpressed by post-crisis Superman as it was, and the hype around the story didn't convince me to give it another try. I eventually picked up a few bargain-bin copies of some of the Death/Reign issues. I needn't have bothered. They're totally generic '90s comics. I kinda liked the idea of Reign of the Superman, but the execution was flat.
In my infrequent bouts of unloading all of my unwanted floppies as quickly as possible, I often get to talk to casual super-hero fans taking advantage of the comic freebies, and so many of them mention with pride that they already possess Superman #1 by Byrne (they don't know enough to say "Byrne", but it's obvious), or the Death Of Superman issues. I never have the heart to burst their bubble that those things are a dime a dozen (not really sure how cheap Byrne's #1 is, but they seem to think it's the equivalent of Siegel and Shuster's #1). At least I know these guys aren't flippers.
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Post by tonebone on May 31, 2023 9:44:34 GMT -5
I started college in 1986, at which point I no longer had time or money for comics. After graduating in 91, joining the working world, and living on my own, I found myself with money (not much, but some), and free time. Soon, I began dipping my toes in comics again. Two series caught my eye and brought me back in... Sandman, and Superman, specifically: the Death and Return.
I found the soon-to-be Image-crowd late 80's/early 90's comics to be ugly and unappealing. So, I was more likely to frequent the bookstore in the mall than the seedy comics store in town. So it was there I ran across one of the thickest comics paperbacks I had ever seen, the Death and Return of Superman. While I agree the actual Death of Superman was sort of vapid and over-hyped... and, yeah, who would have EVER thought they were really killing off Supes? Nevertheless, I found the RETURN of Superman to be pretty fantastic. It reminded me of the comics I loved in the 70's and 80's... pure adventure, with some soap opera string-them-along story elements that kept me hooked. I KNEW that neither of the 4 pretenders to the throne would be the "new Superman", but the journey to get there was full of fun. Plus, I found John Henry Irons to be a great new character, one I followed for years to come. I found Superboy to be irritating, but not without his charm. Overall, I found the whole adventure to be great, and it has held up to many re-readings over the years.
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Post by codystarbuck on May 31, 2023 10:58:10 GMT -5
Spider-Man, X-Force, X-Men.. it was an exciting time to be alive. I have extremely mixed feelings on the era myself, but more power to you if it makes you happy, right? I have no mixed feelings about it; catering to speculators massively damaged the industry, as a whole. There are a lot of great comics from the 90s, but it will always be a horrible time for the industry, in my memory, especially after the growth and variety of the 80s.
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Post by tarkintino on May 31, 2023 11:39:11 GMT -5
I'll never understand why The Death of Superman got so much flack from the same people that proudly bought all five versions of X-Men #1. Why? Well...
[Worst kind of 90s Marvel fan]"huh-huh...'cause Marbles is AWESOME!! Superman sucks! huh-huh!" [/Worst kind of 90s Marvel fan]
About the topic: I saw it for what was designed to be: a marketing gimmick to bring attention and sales back to Superman. No company with an ounce of sense is going to permanently kill off their flagship character (unless its LFL/Disney where Luke Skywalker is concerned, and that worked so well for fan perception of the franchise), so I felt no sense of loss, or some monumental changing of the guard. That only worked one time for DC (in the 80s), in a far superior storyline.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 1, 2023 7:12:10 GMT -5
How long was he "dead"? Both in real life and "in-universe"? (I know that this last one is more complicated to establish...) In real life, he was gone for six months. In Post-Crisis Superman continuity, one month here generally equals one week there, so he was presumably gone for six weeks.
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Post by zaku on Jun 1, 2023 7:18:07 GMT -5
How long was he "dead"? Both in real life and "in-universe"? (I know that this last one is more complicated to establish...) In real life, he was gone for six months. In Post-Crisis Superman continuity, one month here generally equals one week there, so he was presumably gone for six weeks. I didn't hear from dear friends longer than that 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by shaxper on Jun 1, 2023 7:29:14 GMT -5
In real life, he was gone for six months. In Post-Crisis Superman continuity, one month here generally equals one week there, so he was presumably gone for six weeks. I didn't hear from dear friends longer than that 🤣🤣🤣🤣 My mistake. According to Mike's Amazing World, he was gone from November 1992 until July 1993. 8 months our time, and likely 8 weeks in his.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2023 18:50:10 GMT -5
One thing I hated about the entire story arc from cradle to grave, it was spread over multiple books....that was really annoying if you missed a certain issue. I didn't read it in entirety until it was collected.
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