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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 26, 2023 10:57:23 GMT -5
You see, I’m almost certain that NO fan ever wondered how Banner could grow to the Hulk’s side without transforming energy to matter. Since the human body is constantly generating new cells, I always assumed the process was "simply" amped up to the Nth degree whenever Bruce got his mad on (and shed and/or absorbed all those extra cells when the transformation reversed). No extradimensional mass needed.
Cei-U! I summon the little heaps of green dust!
Except cells regenerate from the consumption of food to provide the elements needed for the process....consuming energy. For such a massive change, you would need a large consumption of something. I could buy the initial gamma bomb causing a massive fusion process with Banner, somehow absorbing the energy and transforming it into matter; but, not the change back and forth. Same problem with the Super Soldier Formula, by itself. The addition of the vita-rays made it a bit more palatable as Steve was bombarded by energy, with the formula acting as a catalyst to create the fusion process, that gave Steve Rogers the added mass. I liked the idea that was first presented in Sentinel of Liberty, where Steve was actually put through a training program before ingesting the formula and the vita-rays, suggesting that he was developing into the best condition possible, for his "before" body, so that "after" would be that much more effective. As for shedding the mass, transforming back to energy would be fine, if they depicted such a phenomena, or even piles of dead tissue shed by the body, though you'd have to make a story point about it.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2023 11:54:46 GMT -5
As for shedding the mass, transforming back to energy would be fine, if they depicted such a phenomena, or even piles of dead tissue shed by the body, though you'd have to make a story point about it. No thank you, codystarbuck, I just ate.
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Post by Dizzy D on Apr 27, 2023 14:49:43 GMT -5
In the Ang Lee Hulk movie, they kinda tried to portray that by clouds of steam coming off the Hulk when he reverted back to Banner.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 27, 2023 21:02:30 GMT -5
In the Ang Lee Hulk movie, they kinda tried to portray that by clouds of steam coming off the Hulk when he reverted back to Banner. I don't think I even made it 20 minutes into that film. I was so bored by the characters I turned it off before he ever became Hulk.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 28, 2023 2:53:17 GMT -5
In the Ang Lee Hulk movie, they kinda tried to portray that by clouds of steam coming off the Hulk when he reverted back to Banner. I don't think I even made it 20 minutes into that film. I was so bored by the characters I turned it off before he ever became Hulk. Smart man. It's a really bad movie.
Cei-U! I summon my wasted money!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 29, 2023 17:56:16 GMT -5
As long as you bought into the idea that radiation created super powers and not cancers. And magnets worked on everything. Not just every metal...literally everything. Don't forget transistors! They apparently make every much more powerful.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Apr 29, 2023 17:58:40 GMT -5
Since the human body is constantly generating new cells, I always assumed the process was "simply" amped up to the Nth degree whenever Bruce got his mad on (and shed and/or absorbed all those extra cells when the transformation reversed). No extradimensional mass needed.
Cei-U! I summon the little heaps of green dust!
Except cells regenerate from the consumption of food to provide the elements needed for the process....consuming energy. For such a massive change, you would need a large consumption of something. I could buy the initial gamma bomb causing a massive fusion process with Banner, somehow absorbing the energy and transforming it into matter; but, not the change back and forth. Same problem with the Super Soldier Formula, by itself. The addition of the vita-rays made it a bit more palatable as Steve was bombarded by energy, with the formula acting as a catalyst to create the fusion process, that gave Steve Rogers the added mass. I liked the idea that was first presented in Sentinel of Liberty, where Steve was actually put through a training program before ingesting the formula and the vita-rays, suggesting that he was developing into the best condition possible, for his "before" body, so that "after" would be that much more effective. As for shedding the mass, transforming back to energy would be fine, if they depicted such a phenomena, or even piles of dead tissue shed by the body, though you'd have to make a story point about it. "Bruce! You transformed back!" "Yes. And now if you'll excuse me, I have to go take a massive dump".
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 29, 2023 18:17:19 GMT -5
Comic science is one of those things that It's not good to look too closely. I get that Superman can fly but how does he change direction or go faster? Where does Banner get the extra mass from and where does it go when he becomes normal ? Kang can travel time but they should have explained that once he enters an era , he can't go back there for 30 days or something.
I hate time travel.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 29, 2023 18:57:22 GMT -5
Comic science is one of those things that It's not good to look too closely. I get that Superman can fly but how does he change direction or go faster? Where does Banner get the extra mass from and where does it go when he becomes normal ? Kang can travel time but they should have explained that once he enters an era , he can't go back there for 30 days or something. I hate time travel. I recall a story, back in the Bronze Age (don't even ask issue number...brain not work that good) where they flashed back to Jonathan Kent working with Clark to figure out his powers. He suggested using his hands like ailerons, which is fine for roll, but you need a rudder and flaps, for pitch and yaw. I suppose the feet might help with that. I think, ultimately, the best answer for flight is Alan Moore's, in Miracleman, where he presumes that flight is basically telekinesis, with Miracleman willing himself into flight and propelling him along. He also had a glittering aura which seemed to protect him from harm. I think similar things have been suggested for Superman, in other stories or other media. If he can telekinetically push against the Earth, then the opposite reaction would be to push him away from it. Smallville seemed to use this idea, when Clark first takes off (under the influence of Red K, to bypass his mental block about flying). They show him in a crouch and waves of energy building around his lower body, then he shoots into the air, like a rocket launched by the explosion of the fuel. So, if you accept the premise that flight is a form of telekinesis and that Superman summons mental energy to push against the Earth's gravitational pull, then speed should be a matter of increasing or decreasing the energy, just like a throttle on an engine. By the same token, steering could be a matter of redirecting the energy, like a rudder changing how the water pushes against a boat (or air against an aircraft). Before flight was introduced, he could leap an 1/8th of a mile, thanks to having come from a heavier gravity planet. That idea was swiped from the John Carter series, from Edgar Rice Burroughs, as Carter leaps around on mars, because of the lighter gravity (and is also stronger than the various Martian races) In Phillip Wylie's novel, Gladiator, which also influenced the creation of Superman, the protagonist, Hugo Danner, can also leap great distances, but not fly. In regards to Time Travel, DC, in the 90s, got on a kick to limit the ability to do it and the mini-series, Time Masters (by Bob Wayne and Lewis Shiner), sought to map it out. the mini featured Rip Hunter, who uncovers the Illuminati Conspiracy, as presented in Robert Anton Wilson and Robert Shea's Illuminatus Trilogy, except that the head of the conspiracy is Vandal Savage. The mini establishes the rule that a traveler can only use a method of time travel once, though they could travel again, via a new method. To stop Savage at different key points in history, Hunter and some others use time travel backpack devices, which contain dual methods, one to get them there and one to get back. The technology was based on 3 known methods (if memory serves, though don't quote me on that; I haven't read it since it was originally published). They showcased different methods, including the Legion time sphere, the Cosmic Treadmill, Green Lantern's power ring, etc. However, it didn't take long for someone at DC to ignore that and it was business as usual.
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