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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 31, 2023 21:38:13 GMT -5
For me, the healing factor thing has rarely been used with much thought to how it works. Wolverine has suffered serious trauma, but is back in the fight 5-10 minutes later. The severity of the trauma should be a factor in the healing and recovery time. In X-Men, when the Brood implanted eggs in the bunch, Wolverine's system rejected them, which was a good plot point; but, it seemed like it only hurt him for a few panels, then he was fine. It seems, logically, that it should have taken a lot of energy to fight off an internal parasite of that magnitude. Archie Goodwin did a bit better, in the one time that the classic Manhunter back-up series really addressed it, when the character finally meets up with Interpol agent Christine St Clair. She follows a trail of bodies, all of whom look like Paul Kirk, then finds the real deal, impaled with arrows and riddled with bullet holes. His system is regenerating itself; but, he is incredibly weak and uses the time to fill her in on his past and his road to gaining this ability. Even after, he is a bit worn down. The ending of the character finds him infiltrating the base of the Council (with the aid of Batman, Christine, his mentor Asano Nitobe and armorer Kolu Mbeya) and comes face to face with the master of the group, who uses advanced science to unleash a radiation storm on Kirk. he is able to kill the boss, but appears to perish with the HQ, allowing the others to escape. So, there is an apparent limit to what he could heal.
I kind of wanted to see the character turn up in the 1987 Mark Shaw series, where they first tease his return, with a still living clone (an idea used in both the Secret Society of Super Villains and Power Company), then have the real one turn up, in stasis, in the ruins of the Council's base. The original showed the other scientists of the Council in stasis tubes, as Dr Mykros and I thought that could be used as a way to bring the character back, with a reasonable explanation. The original ending supposes his fate, but doesn't outright show it. My idea was that he was dying of radiation poisoning and crawled into an open sleep chamber to lie down and die. He inadvertently activates the mechanism and his body slowly heals, over time, until it is discovered, by someone else and he is released from the chamber. In hindsight, I'm just as glad they didn't do something like that, as it would kind of undercut the ending and the power of the series for being self-contained. Besides, it would be hard to justify surviving the massive explosion that is seen as the others escape Ground Zero.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 1, 2023 6:02:12 GMT -5
It seemed that many of the early Image characters had that healing factor trait. I’m asking if it’s any worse than having Batman never in 80 years get struck by a bullet. Surely Batman has been shot at least once, my friend? Batman has taken bullets many times in the Golden, Silver and Bronze Ages/ The plot of Brave and Bold #100, for instance, is premised on other heroes having to take over his case while he awaits life-saving surgery.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2023 9:50:28 GMT -5
Surely Batman has been shot at least once, my friend? Batman has taken bullets many times in the Golden, Silver and Bronze Ages/ The plot of Brave and Bold #100, for instance, is premised on other heroes having to take over his case while he awaits life-saving surgery.
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Detective 29 was the first time he was actually shot. He was shot again a few issues later, but it was mentioned he was wearing a bullet proof vest under his costume. -M
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 1, 2023 11:17:00 GMT -5
Batman has taken bullets many times in the Golden, Silver and Bronze Ages/ The plot of Brave and Bold #100, for instance, is premised on other heroes having to take over his case while he awaits life-saving surgery.
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Detective 29 was the first time he was actually shot. He was shot again a few issues later, but it was mentioned he was wearing a bullet proof vest under his costume. -M And a few issues after that (Batman #5), he mentioned that he discarded his vest "long ago" because it slowed him down.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 1, 2023 19:19:44 GMT -5
Detective 29 was the first time he was actually shot. He was shot again a few issues later, but it was mentioned he was wearing a bullet proof vest under his costume. -M And a few issues after that (Batman #5), he mentioned that he discarded his vest "long ago" because it slowed him down.
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They are heavy. Wouldn't help if he was shot in the head or a limb, or if it was a high caliber bullet. Most ballistic vests are not up to snuff for anything more powerful than a .357 Magnum. That's why I loved the 80s and 90s, when every comic writer seemed to think Kevlar was a miracle fabric, but it fit like spandex and stopped any bullet from causing harm. You still have blunt force trauma.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 5:24:10 GMT -5
I think normal clothing works against bullets, such as safari jackets, leather jackets, etc. Seemed to work for the A-Team.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2023 5:42:44 GMT -5
Back in the late 50's when the Batman stories were flying fast and loose, in one story he and Robin travelled back in time to Middle Earth and ended up helping the Hobbits and Batman received a Mithril shirt as a reward.
So that's technically why a bullet can't take him out at least in the mid-section...they sort of downplayed later that he still wears it, but trust me, he's packing some fantasy armor under there.
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Post by james on Apr 2, 2023 11:58:11 GMT -5
But doesn’t every character have a type of healing power? They never die, or stay dead after being hit by a bullet. Other than Barbara Gordon in Killing Joke do any of them sustain any lasting damage? Ironically, the only Captain Mar-vel stayed dead and that was from cancer. Sorry to be a wet blanket.
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 2, 2023 13:04:26 GMT -5
But doesn’t every character have a type of healing power? They never die, or stay dead after being hit by a bullet. Other than Barbara Gordon in Killing Joke do any of them sustain any lasting damage? Ironically, the only Captain Mar-vel stayed dead and that was from cancer. Sorry to be a wet blanket. This is the intent of the OP. I used to get annoyed when character after character had a " healing factor" but didn't get annoyed when characters who had zero extra normal abilities never got hit with bullets or got injured by knives. I'd rather have Savage Dragon get shot and stabbed and just heal over time, than have him never get mortal injuries in his fights.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 2, 2023 16:07:54 GMT -5
If you consider how much time would have to have passed for the various injuries Peter Parker sustained (or Tony Stark, for that matter)... FAR more time would have had to have passed that actually has in the MU,so I guess they must have a healing factor of some sort .
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Post by Icctrombone on Apr 2, 2023 17:07:06 GMT -5
6 months between every battle. Lol
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Post by Duragizer on Apr 3, 2023 0:21:09 GMT -5
Healing factor. I've had a strong distaste for this power ever since watching Heroes. Oh, a character's become popular and/or a darling of the writers? Well, let's just make them effectively unkillable/immortal, even when at ground zero of a nuclear explosion that'd tear anything else to atoms. Bleech.
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Post by zaku on Apr 3, 2023 3:40:39 GMT -5
By the way, Spider-Man has canonically a kind of healing factor. Of course it is not comparable to that of Wolverine or Deadpool From the Wiki (you can find all the references and sources on the link)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2023 5:50:14 GMT -5
By the way, Spider-Man has canonically a kind of healing factor. Of course it is not comparable to that of Wolverine or Deadpool From the Wiki (you can find all the references and sources on the link) I do feel the Marvel Universe over-complicates things, as if they are publishing RPG books rather than comics. A good example of this, in my humble opinion, is Who’s Who in the DC Universe compared with the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. I found the former to be more accessible and readable. I mean, the OHOTMU even mentioned the Hulk’s ability to see ghosts (where did that come from?). So DC would seem to sum stuff up easier, with something like this (not exact wording, obviously): Superman has abilities given to him by Earth’s yellow sun which include super-strength, super-speed, flight, invulnerability, etc, etc.But Marvel would seem to get heavy on the detail: Iron Man’s armour relies on “nebula electricity”, which taps into the currents of the external energy provided by the sun. This allows the transistors in his armour to control the voltage of his armour’s accessories, enabling various communication sensors and arrays to tap into the recharging facilities, etc, etc, etc.Or something like that. If Iron Man had been DC, I’m sure Who’s Who would have simplified it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 3, 2023 6:56:36 GMT -5
In Marvel Feature #1, the first Defenders story, Dr. Strange discovered that Hulk could see (and hear) his ectoplasmic form. Since ghosts are supposedly made of ectoplasm, I presume whoever wrote that OHOTMU entry extrapolated from that (though I can't recall any story where Hulk interacted with an actual ghost).
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