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Post by MDG on Mar 26, 2023 19:39:16 GMT -5
I loved it too. I first found him in Star Wars, as a kid, and loved the look of his work. A lot of Star Wars was people sitting in spaceships... his "always in motion" angular style really added some life, I thought. Here I go, replying to my own post... I was reading the Alex Toth book "Setting the Standard" featuring a ton of Toth's work in the 50's, and I started noticing that every once in a while, he would draw a profile of a character that would look very Infantino-influenced... sometimes looking like very late Infantino, in fact. I guess it could be Toth influencing him, tho... I've seen it reported that in the 50s, Toth (and Dan Barry) were the models DC editors wanted their artists to emulate, but it may also be a function of Toth and Infantino coming up at the same time with many of the same influences. I've seen a lot of Infantino 50s characters that seem similar to Krigstein.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 26, 2023 19:41:46 GMT -5
One of the few things his art has worked with for me. And thats because of my familiarity with game this comic is from. Otherwise i find his art incomprehensible. So, you find this cover incomprehensible?
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Post by Cei-U! on Mar 27, 2023 5:23:03 GMT -5
Here I go, replying to my own post... I was reading the Alex Toth book "Setting the Standard" featuring a ton of Toth's work in the 50's, and I started noticing that every once in a while, he would draw a profile of a character that would look very Infantino-influenced... sometimes looking like very late Infantino, in fact. I guess it could be Toth influencing him, tho... I've seen it reported that in the 50s, Toth (and Dan Barry) were the models DC editors wanted their artists to emulate, but it may also be a function of Toth and Infantino coming up at the same time with many of the same influences. I've seen a lot of Infantino 50s characters that seem similar to Krigstein. Infantino, Toth, and Krigstein all began their careers mimicking Milton Caniff before developing their own approaches.
Cei-U! I summon the common denominator!
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Post by codystarbuck on Mar 27, 2023 23:47:12 GMT -5
I've seen it reported that in the 50s, Toth (and Dan Barry) were the models DC editors wanted their artists to emulate, but it may also be a function of Toth and Infantino coming up at the same time with many of the same influences. I've seen a lot of Infantino 50s characters that seem similar to Krigstein. Infantino, Toth, and Krigstein all began their careers mimicking Milton Caniff before developing their own approaches.
Cei-U! I summon the common denominator!
Well, all of the 40s/50s crowd started out emulating Caniff, Roy Crane, Alex Raymond and/or Hal Foster, in one degree or another.
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Post by Confessor on Mar 28, 2023 9:56:25 GMT -5
So, you find this cover incomprehensible? To be fair, that example is one of the tamer Bill Sienkiewicz covers. Some of his stuff is a bit more stylistically quirky than that (some of his New Mutants covers for a kick off!). Still, I've always liked Sienkiewicz for comic cover art, and that ROTJ cover is lovely.
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Post by impulse on Mar 28, 2023 10:27:56 GMT -5
That's a nice cover, and maybe it wasn't his goal, but boy, does that not look like Mark Hamill's face. Must be his cousin Bruce Skywalker.
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Post by tonebone on Mar 28, 2023 13:19:46 GMT -5
That's a nice cover, and maybe it wasn't his goal, but boy, does that not look like Mark Hamill's face. Must be his cousin Bruce Skywalker. It might have been intentional. When they restarted up the star wars action figures, etc, in the 90's, they had to renegotiate the contracts for the actors' likenesses. They quite possibly did not have the rights to the actors' faces at this time.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2023 13:42:18 GMT -5
That's a nice cover, and maybe it wasn't his goal, but boy, does that not look like Mark Hamill's face. Must be his cousin Bruce Skywalker. It more closely resembles Hammill than about 90% of the art in the Marvel Star Wars comics does. -M
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Post by MDG on Mar 28, 2023 13:45:32 GMT -5
That's a nice cover, and maybe it wasn't his goal, but boy, does that not look like Mark Hamill's face. Must be his cousin Bruce Skywalker. It might have been intentional. When they restarted up the star wars action figures, etc, in the 90's, they had to renegotiate the contracts for the actors' likenesses. They quite possibly did not have the rights to the actors' faces at this time. It's hard to say... This is the only interior page I could find online and it looks pretty close to Hamill...
...compared to this Simonson page from Close Encounters where they definitely didn't have the rights to use Richard Dreyfuss' likeness (or Terry Garr's) and he didn't even try to come close.
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Post by impulse on Mar 28, 2023 14:15:51 GMT -5
The cover almost looks like Sean Connery's face drawn onto Mark Hammill's head shape.
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Post by badwolf on Mar 28, 2023 15:07:02 GMT -5
Al Williamson did the most accurate renditions of... well, pretty much everything in Star Wars. Maybe contracts had changed by then.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 28, 2023 17:51:28 GMT -5
Al Williamson did the most accurate renditions of... well, pretty much everything in Star Wars. Maybe contracts had changed by then. Williamson's accuracy was thanks to liberal use of production photos (which is not the case in the majority of his newspaper strip versions of the characters), but Marvel's main Star Wars title had each artist play the approximation game with human characters' likeness.
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Post by berkley on Mar 28, 2023 19:32:28 GMT -5
Al Williamson did the most accurate renditions of... well, pretty much everything in Star Wars. Maybe contracts had changed by then. Williamson's accuracy was thanks to liberal use of production photos ..
I wonder if some of that difference between Williamson and the others was due to a difference in ability. To my untrained eye, Williamson's work in general looks more accomplished and skillful than that of most comics artists from later generations. Of course he was working in a more realistic style too than most, so maybe that was part of it too.
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Post by kirby101 on Mar 28, 2023 20:15:45 GMT -5
Having photo reference is a tool, which Williamson used from his early days. But reference alone doesn't allow artists to render likenesses as well as Williamson.
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Post by tarkintino on Mar 28, 2023 21:31:19 GMT -5
Williamson's accuracy was thanks to liberal use of production photos ..
I wonder if some of that difference between Williamson and the others was due to a difference in ability. To my untrained eye, Williamson's work in general looks more accomplished and skillful than that of most comics artists from later generations. Of course he was working in a more realistic style too than most, so maybe that was part of it too.
I would not say there's a difference in ability (as in superiority), since Williamson's non-photo referenced characters (if we're talking about Star Wars) bore little resemblance to the actors, so he was as off-model as anyone else who illustrated anything based on the movies.
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