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Post by zaku on Feb 7, 2023 9:14:51 GMT -5
The Bronze Age in theory lasted about 15 years and the character and the stories, during that time, maintained a fairly uniform tone. The Modern Age has now lasted 37 YEARS and the character has changed many times (see for example New 52). It doesn't seem to me that it makes sense to compare two so conceptually different periods (regardless of everyone's opinions regarding their quality). As I said earlier, I felt it might be hubristic of me to come up with names for modern eras. I feel that is the “pay grade” of the industry itself. I went with Wikipedia. Perhaps one day, the industry will come up with new designations. In the meantime, I believe it’s fine for people to express their own views, but had I come up with more poll options, well how far do you go before subdividing it even further? I do feel a line in the sand should have been drawn at some point during the Modern Age. Well, I humbly propose: New 52 (post-Flashpoint continuity) Rebirth (post New 52).
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Post by MDG on Feb 7, 2023 9:40:15 GMT -5
After reading 100 or so pages of early Supes over the past week, I'm officially hanging from Silver to Golden. Exciting pacing and artwork, straightforward storytelling and occasional badassery by Clark
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Post by dbutler69 on Feb 7, 2023 16:37:01 GMT -5
After reading 100 or so pages of early Supes over the past week, I'm officially hanging from Silver to Golden. Exciting pacing and artwork, straightforward storytelling and occasional badassery by Clark I read the first five volumes of The Superman Chronicles. I enjoyed the first couple volumes very much, largely for the reasons you cite. However, after a while, the stories get EXTREMELY repetitive and predictable, and the Golden Age Lois Lane is about the most unlikeable character I've ever come across, and after a while, she appears in every freaking story!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 16:40:00 GMT -5
After reading 100 or so pages of early Supes over the past week, I'm officially hanging from Silver to Golden. Exciting pacing and artwork, straightforward storytelling and occasional badassery by Clark I read the first five volumes of The Superman Chronicles. I enjoyed the first couple volumes very much, largely for the reasons you cite. However, after a while, the stories get EXTREMELY repetitive and predictable, and the Golden Age Lois Lane is about the most unlikeable character I've ever come across, and after a while, she appears in every freaking story! I read those Chronicles books years ago, but it was only really thanks to DC Infinite that I have been able to check them out consistently. Lois is horrible. Self-absorbed, selfish, scheming, etc. And that’s who Superman became attracted to?! At least Lana Lang liked him for who he was. As for repetition, it’s a topic in itself, but I guess we notice things more when we read them all at once (or over a few days). Back in the day, reading, say, Hulk stories every month was fine, but when you read a volume over a weekend or a few days, it does get samey. I suppose the same occurs with Superman. Which is why I try and vary things. If I read, say, 3 comics on a Saturday, from DC, one might be Scooby-Doo, the other might be Detective Comics, and then the third one might be something cosmic, just for the variety.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 16:42:52 GMT -5
After reading 100 or so pages of early Supes over the past week, I'm officially hanging from Silver to Golden. Exciting pacing and artwork, straightforward storytelling and occasional badassery by Clark I read the first five volumes of The Superman Chronicles. I enjoyed the first couple volumes very much, largely for the reasons you cite. However, after a while, the stories get EXTREMELY repetitive and predictable, and the Golden Age Lois Lane is about the most unlikeable character I've ever come across, and after a while, she appears in every freaking story! I read the first five volumes of The Superman Chronicles. I enjoyed the first couple volumes very much, largely for the reasons you cite. However, after a while, the stories get EXTREMELY repetitive and predictable, and the Golden Age Lois Lane is about the most unlikeable character I've ever come across, and after a while, she appears in every freaking story! I read those Chronicles books years ago, but it was only really thanks to DC Infinite that I have been able to check them out consistently. Lois is horrible. Self-absorbed, selfish, scheming, etc. And that’s who Superman became attracted to?! At least Lana Lang liked him for who he was. As for repetition, it’s a topic in itself, but I guess we notice things more when we read them all at once (or over a few days). Back in the day, reading, say, Hulk stories every month was fine, but when you read a volume over a weekend or a few days, it does get samey. I suppose the same occurs with Superman. Which is why I try and vary things. If I read, say, 3 comics on a Saturday, from DC, one might be Scooby-Doo, the other might be Detective Comics, and then the third one might be something cosmic, just for the variety. I still prefer the shrewish Lois of the Golden Age to the completely unlikable Superman and his Super-Dickery of the Silver Age. How could anyone like someone that is that cruel to everyone around him on a regular basis or even think he is heroic? -M
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 16:43:37 GMT -5
As I said earlier, I felt it might be hubristic of me to come up with names for modern eras. I feel that is the “pay grade” of the industry itself. I went with Wikipedia. Perhaps one day, the industry will come up with new designations. In the meantime, I believe it’s fine for people to express their own views, but had I come up with more poll options, well how far do you go before subdividing it even further? I do feel a line in the sand should have been drawn at some point during the Modern Age. Well, I humbly propose: New 52 (post-Flashpoint continuity) Rebirth (post New 52). I totally understand. I mean, if we split WWE wrestling into ages, it’d be silly for the “Modern Age of WWF/WWE” to encompass both 1987’s WrestleMania III and the forthcoming WrestleMania XXXIX. They’re like chalk and cheese, and anyone who wrestled at the 1987 event is either retired or sadly dead. It’d be silly. So I do get the inherent silliness in the “Modern Age of Comic Books” having been going on for 37 years. It makes no sense. I guess the industry itself has no interest in coming up with new designations, but New 52 and Rebirth would be reasonable cut-offs; that said, they only work for DC. New 52 and Rebirth is meaningless within the context of the entirety of the US comicbook industry.
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Post by zaku on Feb 7, 2023 16:56:43 GMT -5
So I do get the inherent silliness in the “Modern Age of Comic Books” having been going on for 37 years. It makes no sense. I guess the industry itself has no interest in coming up with new designations, but New 52 and Rebirth would be reasonable cut-offs; that said, they only work for DC. New 52 and Rebirth is meaningless within the context of the entirety of the US comicbook industry. Well of course, I was referring only to Superman If you had asked for an opinion on the different eras of, I don't know, Spider-Man I wouldn't even know where to start for a more capillary post-Bronze Age subdivision.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 16:58:40 GMT -5
So I do get the inherent silliness in the “Modern Age of Comic Books” having been going on for 37 years. It makes no sense. I guess the industry itself has no interest in coming up with new designations, but New 52 and Rebirth would be reasonable cut-offs; that said, they only work for DC. New 52 and Rebirth is meaningless within the context of the entirety of the US comicbook industry. Well of course, I was referring only to Superman If you had asked for an opinion on the different eras of, I don't know, Spider-Man I wouldn't even know where to start for a more capillary post-Bronze Age subdivision. Yes, it’s tough (and would make a great topic). I mean, do we divide Parker’s high school and college eras or do we include them as one given the era? It’s all very arbitrary, and I guess no-one can be anything other than subjective. EDIT: Note to autocorrect: as ever, get lost! I know what I’m typing, not you. Worst invention ever.
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Post by zaku on Feb 7, 2023 17:04:16 GMT -5
I till prefer the shrewish Lois of the Golden Age to the completely unlikable Superman and his Super-Dickery of the Silver Age. How could anyone like someone that is that cruel to everyone around him on a regular basis or even think he is heroic? -M THANK YOU! I once said something like that, and was told that I didn't understand and Superman was the noblest and most super-heroic of super-heroes, that super-dickery acts were limited only to gimmicky covers and especially Lois Lane deserved all the awful things Superman did to her, for a variety of reasons I couldn't fathom but assured me existed.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Feb 8, 2023 9:45:51 GMT -5
As far as 'ages' go... I consider the bronze age to go until somewhere between secret wars and Crisis.... depending on the day. After that is the 'Dark Age' or 'Image age' that goes through the 90s until Heroes Return/Start of the Ultimate Universe.
I would call the current era 'the All New Age' starting with New 52/when Marvel started re-numbering every writer.
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Post by dbutler69 on Feb 8, 2023 12:04:21 GMT -5
I read the first five volumes of The Superman Chronicles. I enjoyed the first couple volumes very much, largely for the reasons you cite. However, after a while, the stories get EXTREMELY repetitive and predictable, and the Golden Age Lois Lane is about the most unlikeable character I've ever come across, and after a while, she appears in every freaking story! I read those Chronicles books years ago, but it was only really thanks to DC Infinite that I have been able to check them out consistently. Lois is horrible. Self-absorbed, selfish, scheming, etc. And that’s who Superman became attracted to?! At least Lana Lang liked him for who he was. As for repetition, it’s a topic in itself, but I guess we notice things more when we read them all at once (or over a few days). Back in the day, reading, say, Hulk stories every month was fine, but when you read a volume over a weekend or a few days, it does get samey. I suppose the same occurs with Superman. Which is why I try and vary things. If I read, say, 3 comics on a Saturday, from DC, one might be Scooby-Doo, the other might be Detective Comics, and then the third one might be something cosmic, just for the variety. Good point about varying things. I should have read one of those Superman Chronicles, then taken a break for a couple of months or so before picking up the next one. And yeah, binging on something can sometime be more enjoyable, and sometimes less enjoyable, than reading them on per month, depending on the writing. And yeah, it blows my mind that Superman was attracted to Golden Age Lois. She absolutely despised Clark Kent!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 6:49:13 GMT -5
It’s always gonna be arbitrary, but thinking about post-Byrne Superman eras, didn’t Superman: Birthright become the new origin canon in 2003/04? Sticking solely with Superman, that’d be a cut-off point as that would have marked the end of Byrne’s canon (I prefer Byrne’s origin, to be honest).
But it’s hard to come up with a designation for a new comicbook age for all of DC. It’s the Superman conundrum: he’s been through so many changes, and there have been retcons and retellings, but some of them haven’t affected others. I mean, I presume Birthright didn’t have any repercussions for, say, Wonder Woman or Green Lantern.
Personally, and it’s not an exercise I’m planning to do, I’d find it easer to come up with designations for the Marvel Universe.
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Post by zaku on Feb 9, 2023 13:54:52 GMT -5
It’s always gonna be arbitrary, but thinking about post-Byrne Superman eras, didn’t Superman: Birthright become the new origin canon in 2003/04? Sticking solely with Superman, that’d be a cut-off point as that would have marked the end of Byrne’s canon (I prefer Byrne’s origin, to be honest). But it’s hard to come up with a designation for a new comicbook age for all of DC. It’s the Superman conundrum: he’s been through so many changes, and there have been retcons and retellings, but some of them haven’t affected others. I mean, I presume Birthright didn’t have any repercussions for, say, Wonder Woman or Green Lantern. Personally, and it’s not an exercise I’m planning to do, I’d find it easer to come up with designations for the Marvel Universe. Well, if you need something valid for all of DC, probably the most generic thing would be using the various Crisis as a kind of bookmark. So you would have Post-Coie, Post Zero-Hour, Post Infinite-Crisis, Post Flash-Point etc.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 13:57:04 GMT -5
I could get on board with that. And those do feel like eras. So, Zero Hour was 1994, right? And Infinite Crisis was 2005? What year was Flashpoint? At least they are decade-long increments, as opposed to the 37 years and counting of the Modern Age.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 15:12:10 GMT -5
I could get on board with that. And those do feel like eras. So, Zero Hour was 1994, right? And Infinite Crisis was 2005? What year was Flashpoint? At least they are decade-long increments, as opposed to the 37 years and counting of the Modern Age. Flashpoint was 2011. 2016 was Rebirth. -M
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