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Post by hondobrode on Nov 16, 2014 15:25:21 GMT -5
 Barry Windsor-Smith's take on Wolverine. I'll buy anything this guy does. Why doesn't he take that Monster gn he's been working on for years to Fanta or Boom or someone and publish it ? The man still has good ideas I'm sure. I was even buying his Rune.  Neil Gaiman's Sandman and the slew of A-list artists that contribute to this epic narrative.  Kurt Busiek & Alex Ross on a really cool re-exploring of the Marvel Age from a unique POV. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 15:30:47 GMT -5
Funny. I was busy criticizing Weapon X in another thread at the same time you were posting this  |
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 16, 2014 15:42:48 GMT -5
I saw that !
There's a lot I don't like about Wolverine, but I thought this initial idea was good. Where they took it after that is the problem I think.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 16, 2014 16:10:11 GMT -5
Doomsday is one of the few characters so lame and boring he can make Superman seem interesting.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 16:17:39 GMT -5
Doomsday is one of the few characters so lame and boring he can make Superman seem interesting. At least you backed that opinion up with firm facts and examples. Oh, wait... |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 16, 2014 16:22:54 GMT -5
Doomsday is one of the few characters so lame and boring he can make Superman seem interesting. At least you backed that opinion up with firm facts and examples. Oh, wait... There's nothing to back up. Unstoppable killing machine editorially created for the sole purpose of killing iconic character as a publicity stunt. He's a Mad Magazine "Madison Avenue" spoof brought to life. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 16, 2014 16:25:07 GMT -5
He was an unstoppable force like the Juggernaut or Galactus. But with no weakness.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 16, 2014 16:27:38 GMT -5
He was an unstoppable force like the Juggernaut or Galactus. But with no weakness. Thank you for making my point. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 16:35:32 GMT -5
At least you backed that opinion up with firm facts and examples. Oh, wait... There's nothing to back up. Unstoppable killing machine editorially created for the sole purpose of killing iconic character as a publicity stunt. He's a Mad Magazine "Madison Avenue" spoof brought to life. That's good backup right there. For what it's worth, I agree with all of this, but just saying the character sucks really doesn't add to the conversation  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 16, 2014 16:36:07 GMT -5
He was an unstoppable force like the Juggernaut or Galactus. But with no weakness. Thank you for making my point. He was the most exciting thing to happen to Superman in 50 years. How many times can you see Superman beat Luthor or Braniac? |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 16:38:06 GMT -5
Thank you for making my point. He was the most exciting thing to happen to Superman in 50 years. I definitely disagree, there. Lois & Clark's first kiss. Then the proposal. Then the revelation. The apparent death of Lex Luthor. The Time & Again storyline where he got thrown through history. LOTS of exciting Superman stuff happened in the '90s. I was moved by the Death of Superman, but I saw Doomsday as little more than a vehicle for making it happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 17:44:21 GMT -5
Thank you for making my point. He was the most exciting thing to happen to Superman in 50 years. How many times can you see Superman beat Luthor or Braniac? Doomsday was the deathknell not of Superman but of the era of quality storytelling in the Superman books that was the Triangle era. It was all downhill for Superman after that and ever lame event (Reign of the Supermen- Blue/Red on down) has been a desperate attempt to capture the sales lightning in the bottle again because they were no longer giving quality stories to hpld reader attention. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 17:49:35 GMT -5
He was the most exciting thing to happen to Superman in 50 years. How many times can you see Superman beat Luthor or Braniac? Doomsday was the deathknell not of Superman but of the era of quality storytelling in the Superman books that was the Triangle era. It was all downhill for Superman after that and ever lame event (Reign of the Supermen- Blue/Red on down) has been a desperate attempt to capture the sales lightning in the bottle again because they were no longer giving quality stories to hpld reader attention. -M Agreed for the most part, but you can't blame DC for this. It's what the market wanted. As I'm learning in my Wizard review thread, DC's sales had slumped to 20% share of the market in 1992 while Marvel held 58%, and Wizard would run extensive articles about the acclaim X new hyped event from Image or Marvel was getting from fans, while a few articles in the back quietly acknowledged both that DC was maintaining its integrity by avoiding hype and hologram covers (Robin II aside) while continuing to tell excellent stories AND that they were on the verge of going the way of the dinosaur. The market pushed DC to pull the stunts it did with Superman and Batman. We can look back and say "that was the end of the line; they went too far," but it's more than a little hypocritical for fans and readers to have expected DC to stay classy while no one was rewarding them monetarily for doing so. You like Superman the way he is? BUY Superman (and tell your friends to do so too!). It was no secret DC was in serious trouble, and they held out as long as they could. Marvel had been pulling marketing stunts since early 1990. Robin II and War of the Gods aside, DC didn't dirty its hands until the end of 1992. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2014 17:52:22 GMT -5
Chasing the whims of the market is what creates the ramp for the shark jump.....
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Post by shaxper on Nov 16, 2014 17:52:47 GMT -5
Chasing the whims of the market is what creates the ramp for the shark jump..... -M it wasn't chasing. It was staying in business. |
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