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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2014 16:20:13 GMT -5
I heard that While Claremont was on the X-men, he actively campaigned to get the best artists, inkers and colorists. Maybe he did the same for the New Mutants book.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:26:43 GMT -5
I heard that While Claremont was on the X-men, he actively campaigned to get the best artists, inkers and colorists. Maybe he did the same for the New Mutants book. Until it bit him in the ass with Jim Lee I guess... -M |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:38:55 GMT -5
I heard that While Claremont was on the X-men, he actively campaigned to get the best artists, inkers and colorists. Maybe he did the same for the New Mutants book. Until it bit him in the ass with Jim Lee I guess... -M I'm not in-the-know on this, what happened? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:52:49 GMT -5
I think they were willing to be a little more experimental with New Mutants because it wasn't a huge title. Ever notice how the guys like Frank Miller and Bill Sienkiewicz are always on a small title? Just like today with Hawkman. Take a property that has about a 50% chance of failing, and try something different. Either it's canned within four issues or hailed as a genius move on behalf of the publisher for being so progressive and game changing. They'll never have a guy like Sam Keith on Amazing Spiderman though. Because Amazing Spiderman already sells, so it has to stay firmly within the house style.
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 18, 2014 17:48:54 GMT -5
Yeah, and it was actually Claremont's strongest X-work during that period. Just a solid run all around. Certainly, the Sienkiewicz issues get a lot of love, but it was very strong before and after he came along. I know this may seem like a silly question, but was the art ever BAD on the book during its height of popularity? I know Sal Buscema started the series and then Sienkiewicz (which was a really an eye adjustment, a great one for the series, but still an eye adjustment), but I am not into the series yet where anyone else has taken over art on it. I think it had an entirely different artist for annuals (something keeps making me want to say it was the co-creator of the New Mutants, but I cannot recall his name off the top of my head). I am loving that series. And I intend to go back to it once I am done with my all-consuming dedication to finishing Alpha Flight vol. 1. Bob McLeod was the co-creator, and he did some inking over Sal's pencils on the series. Post-Sienkiewicz, you had Steve Leialoha and June Brigham, both of whom were doing fine work. Bret Blevins came on with Louise Simonson, and despite liking his work in general, I didn't on NM. Of course, then we'd get Rob Liefeld, so Blevins didn't seem so bad.
Also, we had an Annual by Alan Davis and a Special by Art Adams, so, all-in-all, NM had some very good artists.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 18:09:13 GMT -5
I know this may seem like a silly question, but was the art ever BAD on the book during its height of popularity? I know Sal Buscema started the series and then Sienkiewicz (which was a really an eye adjustment, a great one for the series, but still an eye adjustment), but I am not into the series yet where anyone else has taken over art on it. I think it had an entirely different artist for annuals (something keeps making me want to say it was the co-creator of the New Mutants, but I cannot recall his name off the top of my head). I am loving that series. And I intend to go back to it once I am done with my all-consuming dedication to finishing Alpha Flight vol. 1. Bob McLeod was the co-creator, and he did some inking over Sal's pencils on the series. Post-Sienkiewicz, you had Steve Leialoha and June Brigham, both of whom were doing fine work. Bret Blevins came on with Louise Simonson, and despite liking his work in general, I didn't on NM. Of course, then we'd get Rob Liefeld, so Blevins didn't seem so bad.
Also, we had an Annual by Alan Davis and a Special by Art Adams, so, all-in-all, NM had some very good artists.
New Mutants will always have a special place in my heart, I think. It's better than Claremont's X-Men were. When I started it, I was not expecting to like it. But I ended up attached within the first issue. It was a great series. |
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 18, 2014 21:45:09 GMT -5
Thank you for making my point. He was the most exciting thing to happen to Superman in 50 years. How many times can you see Superman beat Luthor or Braniac? How many times can you watch Spider-man beat Green Goblin or Venom, Batman beat Joker or Two-Face, Wonder Woman beat Circe or Cheetah, Flash beat Reverse Flash or Grodd, Captain America beat Red Skull or Baron Zemo, Iron Man beat Mandarin or Crimson Dynamo, Green Lantern beat Sinestro or Black Hand, Aquaman beat Ocean Master or Black Manta... |
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 18, 2014 21:47:06 GMT -5
He was the most exciting thing to happen to Superman in 50 years. I definitely disagree, there. Lois & Clark's first kiss. Then the proposal. Then the revelation. The apparent death of Lex Luthor. The Time & Again storyline where he got thrown through history. LOTS of exciting Superman stuff happened in the '90s. I was moved by the Death of Superman, but I saw Doomsday as little more than a vehicle for making it happen. He said in 50 years...that'd cover the Reeve movies, the TV shows, the radio show, the Broadway play, the reboot, every Maggin and Moore story... |
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 18, 2014 21:53:19 GMT -5
Did anyone mention PAD's original X-Factor run? I did! It's easy to miss because my list was so long... |
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 18, 2014 21:59:17 GMT -5
I think they were willing to be a little more experimental with New Mutants because it wasn't a huge title. Ever notice how the guys like Frank Miller and Bill Sienkiewicz are always on a small title? Just like today with Hawkman. Take a property that has about a 50% chance of failing, and try something different. Either it's canned within four issues or hailed as a genius move on behalf of the publisher for being so progressive and game changing. Or both... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 0:01:09 GMT -5
Until it bit him in the ass with Jim Lee I guess... -M I'm not in-the-know on this, what happened? Jim wanted more say in plotting the X-Men book, Chris was against it as he had his own stories for the books he wanted to continue to pursue, editorial sided with Jim Lee, since he was the hot commodity at the time, which is why Claremont left the X-books the first time (and Marvel as a whole for a time). H would later return to both, after Lee was long gone to form Image... -M |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 19, 2014 0:20:49 GMT -5
I'm not in-the-know on this, what happened? Jim wanted more say in plotting the X-Men book, Chris was against it as he had his own stories for the books he wanted to continue to pursue, editorial sided with Jim Lee, since he was the hot commodity at the time, which is why Claremont left the X-books the first time (and Marvel as a whole for a time). H would later return to both, after Lee was long gone to form Image... -M Interestingly enough, in an interview Lee did with Wizard only a few months later, he specifically named Claremont as someone he was hoping to work with again soon. |
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Post by Dizzy D on Nov 19, 2014 5:02:05 GMT -5
Jim wanted more say in plotting the X-Men book, Chris was against it as he had his own stories for the books he wanted to continue to pursue, editorial sided with Jim Lee, since he was the hot commodity at the time, which is why Claremont left the X-books the first time (and Marvel as a whole for a time). H would later return to both, after Lee was long gone to form Image... -M Interestingly enough, in an interview Lee did with Wizard only a few months later, he specifically named Claremont as someone he was hoping to work with again soon. And they did: Claremont wrote a couple of issues of WildC.A.T.S. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Nov 19, 2014 5:33:25 GMT -5
The more I think about it, about the only thing good in general about the 90's (Like any "down" era, there was still great stuff.) was that the "graphics" in comics were still superior to the graphics in video games at this point. The video games explosion of realism and advanced graphical capability was a huge reason why comics became a tiny blip on the radar of most kids and young teens. Hell, when I was 17 or 18 (round 1995/96) I first played Tomb Raider (my first fully 3D experience) and this changed things for me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 7:00:19 GMT -5
Did anyone mention PAD's original X-Factor run? I did! It's easy to miss because my list was so long... Oh! I might have missed it because I didn't have time to all the posts in this thread.  |
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