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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 7, 2022 11:48:59 GMT -5
Chandler: Red Tide was to be reprinted by Dark Horse way back when... but I think Steranko wanted to tweak this, change that, make sure this and this were done well, redo that part, and well... we're still waiting. Mind you, it's his baby; he does what he wants with it. I just know that I'd buy it.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 7, 2022 11:57:25 GMT -5
Guys, the first issue of Miracleman: The Silver Age is already out (was released on Oct 19th), with issue #2 due on November 25th or thereabouts. You can go down your LCS and buy issue #1 right now. Marvel have even announced a second printing of the first issue.. You have a reprint, of what was published (tweaked with some new art)....until I see the first new issue, with Gaiman and Buckingham, it doesn't exist. I've seen too many reversals, clarifications and even retracted solicits over the years to believe it until I see it; especially with Miracleman. No...that was issue #0. Issue #1 of the Silver Age, with all new content came out a week or two ago. There are people reviewing it on YouTube. It's definitely out.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2022 12:11:14 GMT -5
You have a reprint, of what was published (tweaked with some new art)....until I see the first new issue, with Gaiman and Buckingham, it doesn't exist. I've seen too many reversals, clarifications and even retracted solicits over the years to believe it until I see it; especially with Miracleman. No...that was issue #0. Issue #1 of the Silver Age, with all new content came out a week or two ago. There are people reviewing it on YouTube. It's definitely out. From reading the issue descriptions, it looks like issues #1 and #2 reuse the stories from #23 and #24 with updated artwork from Buckingham? And then #3 is the start of the new story material (12/28/22 release date listed)?
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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 7, 2022 12:53:52 GMT -5
I was reflecting on how much I liked Marvel's Sandman becoming a good guy at times, whether working for Silver Sable or the very short stint with the Avengers (which I think should have been much longer)! I then stumbled onto some info that suggested a Sandman mini-series was actually planned for the mid-80's exploring his quest to reform, but the series never saw light of day (though the story was later used in a shorter version in a Spider-Man annual). I would have really liked to have seen the full series to be honest. Slightly on a tangent, I've always been disappointed that Sandman Mystery Theatre was never completed. It wasn't that far from its final arc, which was tantalizingly going to be titled … "The Superman." One of my favorite subjects! I'm glad we live in a time where, thanks to so much published comics historianism and special editions and magazines and web sites we have actually seen things like Jack Kirby's THE PRISONER #1 and pages from DC's GORILLA GRODD and the unpublished issue of THE JOKER and the Hawkman/Swamp Thing team-up from the unpublished SWAMP THING 25 and the TALES OF THE ZOMBIE issue that was lost in the mail! I also get a big kick out of finding out where cancelled project sneaking in unannounced, like Marvel's black and white THOR THE MIGHTY magazine converted into an annual, or DC's aborted PANZER! material showing up in...what was it, now, a SGT. ROCK ANNUAL, maybe? I am still curious about Marvel's MIDAS THE MILLION DOLLAR MOUSE, DC's PANDORA PAN, but one I'd really like to see is the Steve Englehart/Dick Ayers RINGO KID. I want to read the script for the unpublished Batman/Mera issue of BRAVE & BOLD. I'd like to see the rejected first issue of DC's THE WANDERERS, and Rich Buckler's MAN-WOLF! The Prisoner one-shot was also going to have a story by Englehart and Gil Kane.
Some other Englehart dropped projects: His original plan for Star-Lord, which was briefly retitled Star-dancer to be published by Eclipse, but for some reason never came to fruition; There was going to be a Batman graphic novel by Englehart and Marshall Rogers, co-published by DC and Star*Reach, which was abandoned when Star*Reach went under.
Steranko's Talon is one of the first that comes to mind for me: just a single illustration to go by but I thought it looked fantastic and would love to have seen a series. Byt then it's Steranko, even a single issue would have been something. Or a single story in an anthology comic.
Even more interesting is Steranko's O'Ryann's Odyssey, done as a sci-fi comic, which Stan Lee rejected as too abstract, and the creator never tried to get it off the ground anywhere else. My pick: the first Justice League / Avengers crossover originally planned in 1979 with Gerry Conway as writer and George Perez as artist. By 1979, Conway was ending a historic decade where his talent contributed to some of the the greatest comics ever published, while Perez was only growing as a fantastic artist, in-between his stellar work on The Avengers and Logan's Run and what was around the corner-- The New Teen Titans. At the time, DC and Marvel's team titles were strong with interesting rosters at the time, although I'd have to assume the crossover teams would have attempted to match characters with similar traits. I'm almost sure a 1979 version of the crossover would have eclipsed 1976's Superman vs. The Amazing Spider-Man just in terms of scope, story potential, and fulfilling one of the most popular fan ideas. I agree, and I think the Busiek script was a bit of a sprawling mess. I think the original story would have been better. Wikipedia has a page devoted to this topic -- en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_comics_solicited_but_never_published#Acclaim_ComicsHere's a few I would've been interested in: Action Comics Annual #3 by Chris Claremont and Michael Golden All Star Wonder Woman by Adam Hughes Injustice League ongoing series The Silver Age by James Robinson Spectre by Steve Gerber Swamp Thing: Deja Vu (three-issue miniseries was scheduled for 1990 by Len Wein and artist Bernie Wrightson) Time2 (vol. 3) by Howard Chaykin Daredevil by Frank Miller and Walt Simonson Marvels II and Marvels III The Thing miniseries by Barry Windsor-Smith
The Silver Age was rendered redundant by New Frontier (even Robinson admitted he never had a fully formulated plot). What I've always wanted to see was Robinson's and Matt Wagner's take on the founding the the Justice Society, to be called The Society.
Time2 is going to be coming out, actually … there have been some delays but it's in the works.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 7, 2022 13:06:03 GMT -5
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Time2 is going to be coming out, actually … there have been some delays but it's in the works.
It's scheduled for release this coming January. However, it's going to be included in a rather pricey HC omnibus with the first two books, which I already have. I understand why this was done, but I would have preferred a separate and, ideally, far less expensive edition of just the third book.
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Post by Confessor on Nov 7, 2022 13:09:40 GMT -5
No...that was issue #0. Issue #1 of the Silver Age, with all new content came out a week or two ago. There are people reviewing it on YouTube. It's definitely out. From reading the issue descriptions, it looks like issues #1 and #2 reuse the stories from #23 and #24 with updated artwork from Buckingham? And then #3 is the start of the new story material (12/28/22 release date listed)? Oh, really? I hadn't realised that; I thought all of the Eclipse Comics stuff had been reprinted when the book went on hiatus back in 2016. Looking on the GCD though, it does appear that you are correct (though parts of this new comic have been pretty drastically redrawn), so apologies for that codystarbuck, seems you were right all along. We are still waiting for proper new stuff. Fingers crossed it will appear in December as solicited.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Nov 7, 2022 13:53:13 GMT -5
Have no idea when Kevin Smith will enlighten us with a conclusion to this one.... Well he took 4 years to write 6 Spider-man comics, so .....
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Post by arfetto on Nov 7, 2022 14:34:31 GMT -5
Here is one I was always interested in (since I like the artworks of Doug Rice and Tom Artis): The Tiger Files.
The ad was in Stupid issue 1 (1993, Image Comics), right next to an ad for an issue of The Maxx. There was a parody ad (I think on the back) in Stupid issue 1 for "Spitt" (Keown's Pitt), but I think the ad for The Tiger Files is genuine (and is copyrighted by Tom Artis). But I cannot find any more information about it.
Another "planned but never published" comic I would have liked to have read is a Ben Edlund version of The Tick issue 13. Issue 12 ends like this:
Eventually "Pseudo-Tick" 13 was published, but it just is not the same.
This reminds me, I think the Zander Cannon Chainsaw Vigilante series did not finish its storyline either.
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Post by MWGallaher on Nov 7, 2022 17:27:53 GMT -5
After bringing up the unpublished DC comic PANZER, I felt compelled to confirm just where the material prepared for it ended up. It was in DC SPECIAL SERIES #13, Spring 1978: The content was turned into a 50-page (!) Sgt. Rock story by prefixing an Easy Company chapter, after which the story intended for PANZER #1 runs in its entirety, with no obvious editing. It follows a German Panzer crew, and the "chapter" is complete in itself. On the splash, you can see they kept the "Panzer" feature name in place, ahead of the story title, and the "created by Kubert & Kanigher" credit: The closing panel even retains the tease implying further issues: This was obviously to have been something in the vein of BLITZKRIEG, which DC did publish five issues of in 1975-1976: a comic that would look at war from the enemy's perspective. The only reason I knew that such a comic had ever been planned was because a few years ago I picked up a copy of THE BEST OF DC WAR COMICS: AMERICA AT WAR: Included therein is a checklist of all the war comics that DC had published to that point, and it included something called PANZER. Evidently PANZER was still slated for publication when AMERICA AT WAR's contents were finalized. A fair bit of detective work led me to this little-known oddity, the published evidence of abandoned plans that were never, so far as I can determine, publicized.
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Post by badwolf on Nov 7, 2022 17:56:39 GMT -5
The two series not shown on the cover were Swords of the Swashbucklers, which did come out, and The Derangers, which for whatever reason did not. The characters were eventually incorporated into Bill Mantlo's run on Alpha Flight, appearing first as patients/prisoners of Scramble, the mad brother of Madison Jeffries, freed by Aurora and later found by the villain Bedlam. Some of the characters' names were changed; Schizoid became Janus, and Shadow became Goblyn. Goblyn, a young girl who could manifest a demonic, psychic form, was the only survivor, and she joined Alpha Flight a trainee. (The name of Razer was apparently used for an unrelated villain.) Although the original idea doesn't sound as good to me now as it did then, I still think it's a shame it was not realized as originally planned. They would have looked better drawn by Butch Guice, at least.
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Post by Calidore on Nov 7, 2022 19:32:12 GMT -5
No...that was issue #0. Issue #1 of the Silver Age, with all new content came out a week or two ago. There are people reviewing it on YouTube. It's definitely out. From reading the issue descriptions, it looks like issues #1 and #2 reuse the stories from #23 and #24 with updated artwork from Buckingham? And then #3 is the start of the new story material (12/28/22 release date listed)?
This is like trying to figure out which of Starstruck's various publications contained what back in the day. Thankfully, that finally got a definitive TPB collection. Maybe I'd best wait for Gaiman's Miracleman to get one also.
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Post by MDG on Nov 7, 2022 21:13:45 GMT -5
I would've liked to have seen the Englehart/Rogers Superman/Creeper team up that eventually became the Foozle.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 7, 2022 21:35:50 GMT -5
From reading the issue descriptions, it looks like issues #1 and #2 reuse the stories from #23 and #24 with updated artwork from Buckingham? And then #3 is the start of the new story material (12/28/22 release date listed)? Oh, really? I hadn't realised that; I thought all of the Eclipse Comics stuff had been reprinted when the book went on hiatus back in 2016. Looking on the GCD though, it does appear that you are correct (though parts of this new comic have been pretty drastically redrawn), so apologies for that codystarbuck , seems you were right all along. We are still waiting for proper new stuff. Fingers crossed it will appear in December as solicited. NEVER question me! I have both the zero issue and #1, on digital. The Zero issue is anthology material, like The Apocrypha, from other people. #1 features the material Eclipse published, from the Silver Age, before Gaiman and Buckingham refused to submit any further work, until they were brought up to date on payments owed. Eclipse pretty much fell into bankruptcy then, though didn't file for a little while. A couple of panels were printed in Kimota: The Miracleman Companion, from Twomorrows, from the next issue, with Dickie dreaming of Johnny Bates. Along those lines, there was supposed to be a companion series, Miracleman Triumphant, that was to feature material from others, set at different times. Mike Deodato was doing art and some pages have appeared on-line. Gaiman seemed to know nothing about it, when interviewed in Kimota.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 7, 2022 22:01:05 GMT -5
Here is one I was always interested in (since I like the artworks of Doug Rice and Tom Artis): The Tiger Files.
The ad was in Stupid issue 1 (1993, Image Comics), right next to an ad for an issue of The Maxx. There was a parody ad (I think on the back) in Stupid issue 1 for "Spitt" (Keown's Pitt), but I think the ad for The Tiger Files is genuine (and is copyrighted by Tom Artis). But I cannot find any more information about it.
Another "planned but never published" comic I would have liked to have read is a Ben Edlund version of The Tick issue 13. Issue 12 ends like this:
Eventually "Pseudo-Tick" 13 was published, but it just is not the same.
This reminds me, I think the Zander Cannon Chainsaw Vigilante series did not finish its storyline either.
I can help, a bit, with Tiger Files. It was a legit series and it was supposed to be published by Image. Doug Rice and Tom Artis knew each other as part of the Chicago comic crowd. The concept was Artis and Rice was co-plotting and helping with the art. However, at that time, Diamond was threatening financial penalties for companies who kept missing release dates for items they solicited, which was aimed square at Image. They had been blowing deadlines left and right, both with their own titles (and by them I mean the founders) and with the Deathmate crossover. They basically responded by dropping a bunch of titles from non-core founders, except friends and hot titles, like the Maxx. I spoke with Rice about the situation at a mini-convention, in Springfield, IL, where I was living. Tom Artis was living in Springfield, by that point and I met him, too. Rice & Hilary Barta had done Stupid, with a second issue due to come out and the first did decent numbers. They axed it anyway. Mike Grell's Shaman's Tears was also cut, but they were soon back together. Rice was working full time in animation, for Star Toons, which picked up some work for Pinky & The Brain and Hysteria, from Warner. So, he was only doing freelance comic stuff. Around that time, he had a project that was supposed to come out, called Squadron, set in a fictional 1930s..... It never came about, as they never got the financing to print it. Meanwhile, Tom Artis had most recently worked on DC's Impact line, doing The WEB, but was replaced on the book. He had a lot of problems with deadlines, which pretty much sunk him at DC and Marvel. Most of his work had been done for smaller companies and he always seemed to be trying to hustle work. He published one issue of a Black Terror comic, that was financed by a local comic shop; but they didn't make any money on it. As it was, Artis didn't even fully ink the issue, as about the first third to a half of the issue had full inks, then it got pretty sketchy, for the remainder. I believe they had also solicited, but never published a Fighting Yank comic, since both characters were in the public domain. When I met Artis, he was sketching and did a Black Terror for me and you could also buy sketchbook pages from him. I picked up a couple of pages of character sketches that were intended to be characters within The Tiger Files, including one called Doc Hypertrophy and a female character, with no name listed. He had a couple of Tiger sketches, but pulled them out, because he wanted more money for those than what he was asking for the other pages. He had kind of developed a reputation as a bit of a BS artist, in the local comics crowd and had burned at least one local shop (the one with the comic, I believe). he had a group of "students," who mostly seemed to be gophers who may or may not have been exploited. To be honest, these are mostly impressions he gave and some things I heard from the comic shops. he and some of his crowd occasionally came into Barnes & Noble. I do know he had health problems and family problems, both of which factored into his professional problems. I liked his work on The WEB and the fully rendered stuff in The Terror (his Black Terror comic); but, it seemed like he was his own worst enemy and/or just couldn't get his personal life in order enough to get much professional work. He passed away several years ago and Mike Gold wrote well of him, on his website and he had far more dealings with him than I ever did. He felt he was a tremendous talent whose health and personal life kept him from making the impact his talent should have.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 7, 2022 22:08:47 GMT -5
ps Doug Rice's Squadron had a terrific premise. Some time in the 1930s, massive natural disasters lead to parts of the world being cut off. A group is put togther to try to make contact, via air, in an advanced aircraft. It was basically an aviation pulp adventure, in a pseudo 1930s world. One of his inspirations was the old film FP1 Doesn't Answer, directed by Karl Hartl, based on a novel by Kurt Siodmak. It features an artificial landing platform, in the middle of the Atlantic, which is a way station fro trans-oceanic ships and planes. It's construction and operation is sabotaged by outside forces. The film had German, French and English casts, with the English cast featuring Conrad Veidt. Rice showed me some designs for advanced aircraft and it sounded great, similar in tone to things like the Crimson Skies computer game and Sky Captain & The World of Tomorrow.
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