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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 15:40:17 GMT -5
All I know is that I LOVE Cockrum's art, and his wife was the colorist for it.
And I really like that fact.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2014 15:41:14 GMT -5
A quick search shows that First and Eclipse were still viable but maybe the best money offer was from Lodestone.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2014 15:42:48 GMT -5
All I know is that I LOVE Cockrum's art, and his wife was the colorist for it. And I really like that fact. His wife, Paty, was very aggressive defending him and was quite angry at Jim Shooter If I recall correctly. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 15:45:59 GMT -5
All I know is that I LOVE Cockrum's art, and his wife was the colorist for it. And I really like that fact. His wife, Paty, was very aggressive defending him and was quite angry at Jim Shooter If I recall correctly. Yeah, I have no idea. But I think it's awesome that his wife did the coloring for the Futurians.  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 18, 2014 15:50:08 GMT -5
His wife, Paty, was very aggressive defending him and was quite angry at Jim Shooter If I recall correctly. Yeah, I have no idea. But I think it's awesome that his wife did the coloring for the Futurians. I guess I'm saying that she wasn't a shrinking violet. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 15:53:43 GMT -5
Actually the Lodestone series was released in 1985, Dark Horse was founded in 1986, so it wasn't there.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 16:09:01 GMT -5
Yeah, I have no idea. But I think it's awesome that his wife did the coloring for the Futurians. I guess I'm saying that she wasn't a shrinking violet. Good for her. Women need to be louder because, apparently, sometimes, when we speak at normal volumes, we either aren't heard, or we're ignored. So, good for her for making a fuss and being loud. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 17:29:32 GMT -5
A better choice might have changed the course of history. I never heard of Lodestone till I got those issues in a con for a song. Possibly, but Marvel's standard offer at the time offer included them taking ownership of the characters, which they could have then taken Cockrum off the book if it didn't sell and gave them to another creator, or having them assign a writer and editor who would control the direction of the series and characters not Cockrum. Sure hindsight is 20/20 but there were reasons why Cockrum, who was essentially taken away from the babies he co-created with the X-Men by Marvel was a bit gunshy trusting his new creations with them in a long term relationship. Even the creator-owned titles under the Epic banner were getting editorial flack-Hey Jim Starlin, you need to make Dreadstar look more like a super-hero book so it sells better or we might not be able to keep it going... So he may have turned down Marvel for the ability to tell the story he wanted not the story they were demanding...we'll never know for sure. -M I didn't know that about the Epic line. I read a handful of comics from that imprint at the time, mostly Groo and Elfquest, but if I saw the logo I would check the series out. I always thought they had a huge amount of creative freedom. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 18:07:28 GMT -5
Martian Manhunter: American Secrets arrived and they threw in three extra books.
X-Factor v1 #41
Batman #435 (Part 3 of 3 of The Many Deaths of The Batman)
Coffee World #1
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2014 23:53:17 GMT -5
Possibly, but Marvel's standard offer at the time offer included them taking ownership of the characters, which they could have then taken Cockrum off the book if it didn't sell and gave them to another creator, or having them assign a writer and editor who would control the direction of the series and characters not Cockrum. Sure hindsight is 20/20 but there were reasons why Cockrum, who was essentially taken away from the babies he co-created with the X-Men by Marvel was a bit gunshy trusting his new creations with them in a long term relationship. Even the creator-owned titles under the Epic banner were getting editorial flack-Hey Jim Starlin, you need to make Dreadstar look more like a super-hero book so it sells better or we might not be able to keep it going... So he may have turned down Marvel for the ability to tell the story he wanted not the story they were demanding...we'll never know for sure. -M I didn't know that about the Epic line. I read a handful of comics from that imprint at the time, mostly Groo and Elfquest, but if I saw the logo I would check the series out. I always thought they had a huge amount of creative freedom. Creative freedom as long as sales were good for the most part. A lot of Epic was minis so it was never a big deal, but the few ongoings would have to meet certain sales goals to keep getting published. Starlin was often given the "suggestion" by editorial that Dreadstar would sell better if Dreadstar looked more like a super-hero, hence the costume changes mid-stream. When that didn't work, and sales were plateauing or sinking, Marvel was getting antsier about keeping the book going, Jim took it to First instead, as he got a better deal and guarantees of non-interference. Marvle couldn't tell Jim what to do on Dreadstar, and they didn't own it, but they determined if they would keep publishing it and used that as leverage to make "suggestions" to Starlin. Elfquest was a different animal, it was color reprints of existing b&w material, so Marvel knew what it was getting by then, and Groo is kind of a thing on its own, and by that time the Epic line was a bit more established and certain editors had moved on from Marvel. -M |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 14:07:42 GMT -5
I grabbed Sandman Mystery Theatre #1 out of the dollar bin, because I've heard good things and Wesley Dodds looks cool.
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 19, 2014 14:57:01 GMT -5
I grabbed Sandman Mystery Theatre #1 out of the dollar bin, because I've heard good things and Wesley Dodds looks cool. Excellent series. You're not going to be disappointed. |
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Post by fuzzyblueelf on Nov 19, 2014 15:31:04 GMT -5
 Saw this at Waterstones and decided to buy it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 15:41:18 GMT -5
I grabbed Sandman Mystery Theatre #1 out of the dollar bin, because I've heard good things and Wesley Dodds looks cool. Excellent series. You're not going to be disappointed. It's one of my favorite book! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2014 15:45:02 GMT -5
I'm picking up The Futurians Comic Book at my Comic Book Store and see it myself this upcoming Friday. Sorry about letting this subject continues. I just had to share this news.
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