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Post by impulse on Aug 22, 2022 14:52:41 GMT -5
It seems to be about extremes with nothing in between. We either get Scenario A (“I will not kill, and I will not even let a character die by inaction”) or Scenario B (“I took out an enemy combatant/terrorist, and now I can’t look in the mirror”). Where’s something in between, with a little more nuance? You have nuance right there: "B" is very close to "A". The other extreme would be one of those guys in the 90's, who'd just off you for looking at them funny. I'd say a nuanced situation in between would be "while I am not going to take out that enemy combatant, I will not endanger myself to try to save their life from a situation I did not create." e.g. an arsonist villain who has caused fires that resulted in casualties and shows no signs of stopping starts another inferno, and they slip and are dangling on the edge or a ladder or something. The building is coming down and will collapse at any moment. A hero can choose to try and save this person knowing it is likely with will both die, or the hero can choose to save their own life. Net gain of a murder being taken out of the equation by their own hand plus the hero will save additional future people. Or make it even simpler. Captain America goes to arrest Hitler. Hitler slips off the top of his burning tower that is going to collapse any time and is dangling on the edge. Would Cap be wrong to choose not to save him. I always found in shows or other media where the hero fights to preserve any life at all costs regardless of context to be ridiculous. You know, the old hero runs in, villain has a gun at a hostage. "drop or I'll shoot!" knowing full well the villain will shoot them all anyway.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Aug 27, 2022 16:05:52 GMT -5
Yeah, Batman letting the Joker continue his rampage is ludicrous on one level. But outside of protecting someone when the Joker is in the act of harming them, what right does Batman have to take a life? He is not a law officer, he has no more right to kill someone because they are "bad" than I do. Same goes for almost every hero. The Punisher is rightfully a criminal al for what he does. What right does a nation or organization have to take a life? No such fundamental right exits. No police organization or military has a fundamental right to do anything. It’s all about might makes right and after the fact justification. Get enough people together in an organization (a country for instance) and they get a pass where a lone vigilante doesn’t.
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Post by zaku on Aug 27, 2022 16:42:15 GMT -5
Yeah, Batman letting the Joker continue his rampage is ludicrous on one level. But outside of protecting someone when the Joker is in the act of harming them, what right does Batman have to take a life? He is not a law officer, he has no more right to kill someone because they are "bad" than I do. Same goes for almost every hero. The Punisher is rightfully a criminal al for what he does. What right does a nation or organization have to take a life? No such fundamental right exits. No police organization or military has a fundamental right to do anything. It’s all about might makes right and after the fact justification. Get enough people together in an organization (a country for instance) and they get a pass where a lone vigilante doesn’t. ^this.
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Post by Ozymandias on Aug 28, 2022 0:50:56 GMT -5
St. Augustine, City of God.
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