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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 16, 2022 18:17:10 GMT -5
I got this run on Kindle. I'm not the best person to ask because I'm an absolute sucker for team-up books, but I did enjoy this run. Good, but not great. Enjoyable if you like Bronze Age team-up books. The Flash story was cool, but I think my favorites are the Green Lantern team-up (#201), Batman (#210) and Martian Manhunter (#211). Having said all that, I'll agree that the best World's Finest run was when it was a dollar comic.
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Post by MDG on Aug 16, 2022 18:46:11 GMT -5
The best run of World's Finest was when it was a dollar comic. This is the only era that's worth reading. And at least 50% of that is because of the Bridwell\Newton Marvel Family stories
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2022 19:45:40 GMT -5
I bought this collection when it came out new, I know I read it once and vaguely recall the stories being overall ok. Don't think I've read it since. Yet another vote for the dollar era, that's my favorite too.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 16, 2022 21:03:55 GMT -5
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Post by zaku on Aug 17, 2022 8:08:11 GMT -5
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Post by MWGallaher on Aug 17, 2022 12:57:05 GMT -5
This thread inspired me to revisit WORLD'S FINEST #214, the last in this stretch of revolving guest stars for Superman, in which Vigilante paired up with the Man of Steel. It seems like DC was trying to push a Vigilante revival, featuring him in a two-part JLA story (#78-79), and then in a couple of backups in ADVENTURE COMICS #417 and #422. The evidence strongly suggests that this issue was constructed around an unused Vigilante solo back-up, since pages 8-13 switch writers from Denny O'Neil to Steve Skeates. These pages don't feature Superman at all, are self-contained, and end in the kind of cliff-hanger one would use at the end of the first chapter of a continued short. Pages 19-24 have Skeates returning to the scripting, but they do feature Superman prominently. However, Superman is conveniently and unconvincingly suddenly unable to use his superpowers against the werewolf bad guy of this issue, which is really stretching the ol' "vulnerability to magic" thing. I'd bet O'Neil did some minimal modification to Skeates' already-delivered script for the uncompleted part two of the back-up Vig solo, to insert Superman into the action. Further indication that Superman is subbing for some other character is in his reaction to Vigilante shooting the werewolf dead at the climax of the story: "I think you may have done him a favor...at least he died a...man!"
As will be implied decades later in Grant Morrison's Seven Soldiers of Victory project, Vig himself managed to get infected with a werewolf bite some time in the course of this story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2022 13:17:26 GMT -5
I bought this collection when it came out new, I know I read it once and vaguely recall the stories being overall ok. Don't think I've read it since. Yet another vote for the dollar era, that's my favorite too.
I like the 80 pagers....don't have most of the 68 pagers yet but maybe I should look into getting them.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 17, 2022 14:49:48 GMT -5
Wouldn't the Flash be at a disadvantage if they weren't running on the ground?
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 17, 2022 15:00:02 GMT -5
The evidence strongly suggests that this issue was constructed around an unused Vigilante solo back-up, since pages 8-13 switch writers from Denny O'Neil to Steve Skeates. These pages don't feature Superman at all, are self-contained, and end in the kind of cliff-hanger one would use at the end of the first chapter of a continued short. Pages 19-24 have Skeates returning to the scripting, but they do feature Superman prominently. However, Superman is conveniently and unconvincingly suddenly unable to use his superpowers against the werewolf bad guy of this issue, which is really stretching the ol' "vulnerability to magic" thing. I'd bet O'Neil did some minimal modification to Skeates' already-delivered script for the uncompleted part two of the back-up Vig solo, to insert Superman into the action. Further indication that Superman is subbing for some other character is in his reaction to Vigilante shooting the werewolf dead at the climax of the story: "I think you may have done him a favor...at least he died a... man!" The credits say Skeates wrote pages 1-7 and 14-18 and O'Neil wrote pages 8-13 and 19-24, so I think the repurposed Vigilante solo story would have been Denny's. Might the reporter wearing a peace sign medallion on pages 4 and 7 have been based on O'Neil?
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 17, 2022 15:54:54 GMT -5
Wouldn't the Flash be at a disadvantage if they weren't running on the ground? The guardians have them both amulets that created a running surface as they raced across the universe. Superman wasn’t allowed to fly.
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Post by zaku on Aug 17, 2022 16:03:55 GMT -5
Wouldn't the Flash be at a disadvantage if they weren't running on the ground? The guardians have them both amulets that created a running surface as they raced across the universe. Superman wasn’t allowed to fly. One of the things I like of the Post-Crisis universe is that now Flash is undoubtedly the fastest ;
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Post by Calidore on Aug 17, 2022 19:35:49 GMT -5
Okay, now so many people talking up the Dollar Comic run of WF has me wanting to revisit it. (Probably got a random issue or two as a kid, but never bought consistently.) What's the issue number range on that?
Also, is it stupid that I hate the modern thing of superheroes calling each other by their civilian names while in costume? Seems like that should be church & state.
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Post by MWGallaher on Aug 17, 2022 22:24:28 GMT -5
The evidence strongly suggests that this issue was constructed around an unused Vigilante solo back-up, since pages 8-13 switch writers from Denny O'Neil to Steve Skeates. These pages don't feature Superman at all, are self-contained, and end in the kind of cliff-hanger one would use at the end of the first chapter of a continued short. Pages 19-24 have Skeates returning to the scripting, but they do feature Superman prominently. However, Superman is conveniently and unconvincingly suddenly unable to use his superpowers against the werewolf bad guy of this issue, which is really stretching the ol' "vulnerability to magic" thing. I'd bet O'Neil did some minimal modification to Skeates' already-delivered script for the uncompleted part two of the back-up Vig solo, to insert Superman into the action. Further indication that Superman is subbing for some other character is in his reaction to Vigilante shooting the werewolf dead at the climax of the story: "I think you may have done him a favor...at least he died a... man!" The credits say Skeates wrote pages 1-7 and 14-18 and O'Neil wrote pages 8-13 and 19-24, so I think the repurposed Vigilante solo story would have been Denny's. Might the reporter wearing a peace sign medallion on pages 4 and 7 have been based on O'Neil? You're right, I had the two scripters switched! And I think you're right about the Denny O'Neil stand-in, who says "I'll chronicle Vigilante's exploits for my newspaper!" Sounds like Skeates was having a little fun integrating the two-scripter situation into his pages! And I think then that the other reporter must have been Skeates, who was sporting a mustache back then!
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Post by badwolf on Aug 18, 2022 8:59:01 GMT -5
I'm only familiar with the Dollar Comics era. Some great stuff in there, some so-so.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 18, 2022 9:09:18 GMT -5
Okay, now so many people talking up the Dollar Comic run of WF has me wanting to revisit it. (Probably got a random issue or two as a kid, but never bought consistently.) What's the issue number range on that? Also, is it stupid that I hate the modern thing of superheroes calling each other by their civilian names while in costume? Seems like that should be church & state. I think it's #244-282. And agreed that it's a security risk to be calling each other by first names while in costume. It's become prevalent in newer comics, though.
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