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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 1, 2022 21:42:35 GMT -5
As for moderation? I don't know - seems like even having a new Spider-Man and Punisher pop up in the year 2099 so soon after one another when there hadn't been any superheroes since the start of the 21st century (if I'm remembering correctly) is about as far as I'd like to tip the scales. Anything more than that and you might as well just call the series "What If?" That’s a good point, but I suppose I just accept that as the nature of a fictional universe. I did quite appreciate Ravage 2099 as, if I have this right, he did not have a 20th-century equivalent. The premise behind Ghost Rider 2099 was interesting, too. I was curious about who might still be around in 2099, e.g. Kang (if ‘around’ has any meaning for a time traveller), Hercules, etc. Did the real Thor ever show up? Ravage was totally new.. the last Marvel Character Stan Lee created. He started out is a sort of businessman-gone-rogue-mad-max.. morphed into a sort of werewolf, then, towards the end, was a bit like Wolverine... he's great! They never had any of Marvel's other time travellers around.. there was a (somewhat weak) reason for it that talked about in X-Men briefly, something about the time being blocked... the character Dust was invloved (which some people speculated was really Cable, but never really got into it). I agree Ghost Rider was fun.. he's actually a bit involved in the new series, which is nice. They was a Thor in the 'fall of the Hammer' crossover, but I think he turned out to be created by Alchemax. Also, I can what Chadwilliam is saying.. he's not wrong that later in the existance it got too same-y. WHen it was a few good guys fighting the evil corporations, it was really fun. Then they had Doom take over, which was pretty great (Warren Ellis' best work outside of Transmet IMO), which lead into the 'AD' story (after Doom). That SEEMED like it would be good, but petered out really quickly and started feeling alot like a what if, like you said.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 1, 2022 21:49:08 GMT -5
I only read Doom and X-Men 2099 and I think both did pretty well with establishing new characters and villains that were inspired by the previous century, but not taking the name of 20th century heroes and just adding 2099 behind the name. I think in case of the X-Men, only Exodus showed up as a 20th century character (except Doom himself of course). In fact I think more 2099 X-Men characters have appeared in the regular continuity than vice versa (Halloween Jack and Brimstone Love appeared in X-Force and Marauders respectively). correct, the main team was totally new. They did do a story line where (a very, very old) Gambit turned up, and they hinted a few times that Xi'an was really someone else, but never pulled the trigger. They really had some great character designs.. BloodHawk makes one great action figure, and Junkpile is pretty great too.
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Post by zaku on Aug 2, 2022 1:33:46 GMT -5
They never had any of Marvel's other time travellers around.. there was a (somewhat weak) reason for it that talked about in X-Men briefly, something about the time being blocked... the character Dust was invloved (which some people speculated was really Cable, but never really got into it). I don't know if it counts, but Peter David's Justice from the New Universe appeared and became the "Net Prophet".
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 2, 2022 5:25:09 GMT -5
I don't recall them ever explaining how he got there..that's more travelling dimensions than time?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 5:56:37 GMT -5
Incidentally, there used to be a book (UK) that was a comic guide. Each edition featured insight from UK comic store owners. I remember one comic store owner describing some of 2099 as “seeming to be purposefully bad”.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 6:59:41 GMT -5
I loved the whole 2099 concept, it was such a fresh concept. Definitely Doom 2099 was the big one for me, and the aforementioned Warren Ellis arc was amazing, I was reading that one monthly back in the day. They should have cut it off right at his last issue, everything was wrapped up nicely, and the issues that followed were not so great and the series was cancelled shortly thereafter.
I will stick up for FF 2099 even though I thought it fizzled fast. The art was great on the first 2 issues, but there was a jarring change after that that wasn't such a great fit. I actually liked the fact that it was like "wait, is that just the actual FF?" and then trying to figure out what was going on, versus just another "future dopplegangers so we can check the box and say we did it". It was a nice twist even though the series never really got going. Remember, they threw Doom's identity into question earlier in his series when the "real Doom" supposedly shows up claiming that Doom 2099 was not the real one. So to me, having both connections and mysteries to how things were related to modern continuity was a fun element, versus this being some truly alternate futuristic imprint.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 7:18:59 GMT -5
Welcome back, cat! I did like the ambiguity over Doom’s identity. I remember a Spidey 2099 issue where Doom was chatting with Punisher and Spidey - and said, “Your 20th century counterparts were equally annoying.” Hmmm. By the way, I had much time and affection for Hulk 2099:
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 2, 2022 8:17:51 GMT -5
I liked the visual, and I got the book (I got all of 2099 until the whole thing where they fired Joey Cavaleri as editor and PAD was forced to change a plot in Spidey), but it was an ill-fit, I think. i would have preferred one of the original characters from 2099 Unlimited to get the book. (Obviously, marketing, but that doesn't mean that's what I wanted)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 8:27:35 GMT -5
I was never a fan of exaggerated artwork (for instance, Erik Larsen is my least favourite artist), but it somehow worked for Hulk 2099, I felt, and the stories were solid. Just my view.
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Post by Batflunkie on Aug 2, 2022 9:39:20 GMT -5
Take Punisher 2099, for instance - having a good guy adopt Frank Castle's identity but being unable to entirely replicate his MO since he was living in an era so profoundly different from that of the 20th century's made the premise interesting. I remember Jake Gallows (Punisher 2099) having to decide what to do with criminals too dangerous to be on the street but not evil enough to kill. While Frank Castle might just let the police take care of some lesser criminals, by establishing that by 2099 empathy and compassion for others had been wiped out and that criminals could literally buy their way out of prison, he had to come up with an alternative (locking them up in his basement, if anyone's interested). In Punisher 2099, people were protected by a subscription service to the police department and Gallows was there to protect the ones who weren't
I don't think it's any surprise that Pat Mills wrote this because it has his finger prints all over it
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Post by zaku on Aug 2, 2022 9:43:25 GMT -5
I don't recall them ever explaining how he got there..that's more travelling dimensions than time? It was explained in Captain Marvel.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 2, 2022 19:02:44 GMT -5
really? interesting.. Wouldn't ever have guessed that connection.
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Post by zaku on Aug 3, 2022 5:05:32 GMT -5
really? interesting.. Wouldn't ever have guessed that connection. Well, they were both written by Peter David sooooo....
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Post by Dizzy D on Aug 3, 2022 6:19:47 GMT -5
Also the place where Thanatos was revealed to be a future version of Rick Jones IIRC.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 3, 2022 7:36:11 GMT -5
really? interesting.. Wouldn't ever have guessed that connection. Well, they were both written by Peter David sooooo.... Oh THAT Captain Marvel, that makes more sense
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