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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 17, 2022 18:15:50 GMT -5
Especially in he early issues, you can tell that the villains are genuinely afraid of him I think that's why in later issues Loki had to imbue them with some of his own godly power for them to even remotely stand a chance. Makes me wonder how powerful Karnilla is in comparison to Loki when she accidentally gave some of her magic or whatever to the Wrecker and his crowbar I've never cared for Thor as a character, but those Kirby issues are so choc-full of imagination that I find them utterly irresistable, all the same. I think that Thor is very vanilla and is more like an avatar for the reader to project themselves into his world
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Post by tarkintino on Apr 17, 2022 18:33:50 GMT -5
Ah, yes; Gantray-Lawrence, putting the "limited" in limited animation. If your local station paired them with a Cambria show, look out! What was more limited looking? Clutch Cargo, Rocky & Bullwinkle, or the Marvel Super-Heroes? But seriously, as I've said previously, I loved the Captain America Marvel Super-Heroes serials to pieces during my youth. Watched what was included on the VHS I got religiously. All I knew for the longest time about Captain America were the WWII stories and the 1990 movie Thought the Namor ones were pretty good too Series such as Clutch Cargo and Space Angel were truly cels barely moving with actors' lips superimposed on characters' faces. Not very appealing. The Marvel Super Heroes--contrary to the oft-told tale--did animate much of the series content, transfer and often restructure various Marvel artists' work, and when not strictly taken from the comics, create original animated sequences.
The talents at Grantray-Lawrence were some of the most skilled in the business (if you see their resumes), and despite time and budget issues, made TMS more than the erroneous claim that they were the equivalent of today's motion comics. Overall, no Marvel adaptation since has ever come so close to capturing the essence of the source, including the MCM.
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Post by Batflunkie on Apr 17, 2022 18:38:11 GMT -5
The Marvel Super Heroes--contrary to the oft-told tale--did animate much of the series content, transfer and often restructure various Marvel artists' work, and when not strictly taken from the comics, create original animated sequences. The talents at Grantray-Lawrence were some of the most skilled in the business (if you see their resumes), and despite time and budget issues, made TMS more than the erroneous claim that they were the equivalent of today's motion comics. Overall, no Marvel adaptation since has ever come so close to capturing the essence of the source, including the MCM. I'd be interested to see Marvel produce cartoons in the same vein as Marvel Super-Heroes again, telling the comics' history of the characters. But I don't think that will happen because we have a bakers' dozen tv shows and countless movies that do that same thing
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 17, 2022 21:10:46 GMT -5
Ah, yes; Gantray-Lawrence, putting the "limited" in limited animation. If your local station paired them with a Cambria show, look out! What was more limited looking? Clutch Cargo, Rocky & Bullwinkle, or the Marvel Super-Heroes? But seriously, as I've said previously, I loved the Captain America Marvel Super-Heroes serials to pieces during my youth. Watched what was included on the VHS I got religiously. All I knew for the longest time about Captain America were the WWII stories and the 1990 movie Thought the Namor ones were pretty good too Rocky and Bullwinkle at least had a bit more motion, though a lot of speed takes. I'd put their overall product up against Hanna-Barbera, though their earliest stuff was pretty crude, compared to the later episodes. Now I haven't seen them in a while; but, I recall Spider-Man having way more motion than Marvel Super Heroes. However, MSH had great voicework, such as John Vernon (Dean Wormer, of Animal House) who voiced Tony Stark/Iron Man. MSH cut a ton of corners and did it's fair share of cut-out "motion," where they pretty much moved a cut-out figure across a background cel. Cambria did it way more. MSH did some where you had a static figure and a body part might be animated, for a punch. They also had the stories and followed the original comic story designs. Cambria was the really cheap one, with almost no motion, other than cut-outs. However, for those who didn't see them, they used a technique they called "synchro-vox." The actor was locked into a contraption to keep their head still, while they spoke their dialogue. The mouth movements were filmed. Then, the mouth area of the cels were left blank and they super-imposed the mouth footage over the area, to give the effect of live action dialogue. It was weird as heck and The Incredibles made fun of it for an extra feature, on the DVD, with Mr Incredible and Frozone watching an old cartoon of them, done to mimic the Cambria style. Cambria did Clutch Cargo, Space Angel and Captain Fathom. I've only seen brief chapters from either Clutch or Fathom, but we had Space Angel on weekday mornings (along with Underdog & Tennessee Tuxedo, The New Three Stooges and Rocky & Bullwinkle). The stories were pretty darn good and the design work for the spaceships and cities and characters were great, apart from the stuff for the mouths. Again, no motion, other than cut-outs; but, they had good voice actors, though only about three of them (Hal Smith, Otis on the Andy Griffith Show, was Taurus), so everyone was a variation of one of the heroes. The New 3 Stooges was also from Cambria, without the synchro-vox and a little motion; but, I think they had a bigger budget, because of the Stooges. They had film clips of the Stooges doing their thing, then went to the cartoons, voiced by others (I think Pat Harrington did Moe). I still prefer the Hanna-Barbera Fantastic Four and the Filmation DC cartoons, to the Gantray-Lawrence stuff; but, the G-L marvel stuff was often more exciting than some of the 70s and 80s Marvel-based cartoon stuff. They, at least, hadn't gotten censors as heavily involved, so they could do more action, like the comics. Just look at the 60s Filmation Adventures of Batman and then compare to the 70s New Adventures of Batman. They use a lot of the same models (though some got updated) and New Adv got Adam West and Burt Ward to voice them, rather than Olan Soule and Casey Kasem (and Ted Knight for other voices and narrator); but, the 60s cartoons didn't have the heavy censorship and they could punch and kick and have real fights. of course, it was the show that really added ammunition to the watchdog groups who were screaming about violence in Saturday morning cartoons, leading to the blander 70s material. A Thor episode of the Marvel Super Heroes..... Spider-Man... And Space Angel... Alex Toth worked on Space Angel, as did Sal Trapani, Doug Wildey, Hi Makin and Warren Tufts, who had all worked in comic books and newspaper strips. I would assume that Spider-Man got the more animated look due to budget, since it was done, originally, for network tv, while Marvel Super-Heroes was syndicated (as were the Cambria shows) EDIT-Just noticed the credit for Gray Morrow, on Spider-Man. Toth also did the model sheets for the Hanna-Barbera Fantastic Four, which aren't exactly Kirby-esque, though I think he keeps enough of the spirit, while trying to simplify them for animation.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 17, 2022 21:13:16 GMT -5
The Marvel Super Heroes--contrary to the oft-told tale--did animate much of the series content, transfer and often restructure various Marvel artists' work, and when not strictly taken from the comics, create original animated sequences. The talents at Grantray-Lawrence were some of the most skilled in the business (if you see their resumes), and despite time and budget issues, made TMS more than the erroneous claim that they were the equivalent of today's motion comics. Overall, no Marvel adaptation since has ever come so close to capturing the essence of the source, including the MCM. I'd be interested to see Marvel produce cartoons in the same vein as Marvel Super-Heroes again, telling the comics' history of the characters. But I don't think that will happen because we have a bakers' dozen tv shows and countless movies that do that same thing There are these....
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Post by majestic on Apr 17, 2022 21:47:16 GMT -5
This is the first Thor issue I can remember buying: #272 about 10+ years after I started reading comics. As a kid I never liked the Thor title. He was OK in Avengers but I was really never into his solo title. I guess I had some extra money and picked this up as an impulse buy. I bought it on/off for several years until this issue: That issue started a long time reading with only a few pauses.
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