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Post by shaxper on Nov 9, 2014 20:32:21 GMT -5
The only creator I've ever seen badmouth Lee is Steve Bissette, who feels that Lee hijacked 1963 with the sole intent of poaching Alan Moore for his own books. Lee is known as one of the nicest guys in the industry, and I think that reputation is largely deserved. Still, I don't think it was about creator rights for him as just creating in general... and possibly buying a villa in Italy. Chris Claremont suggested on several occasions that his reason for leaving Marvel the first time was that Lee was trying to run the X-Books and editorial was supporting him, but Claremont has been careful with his words in the interviews I've read, presumably because he went back to working for Marvel. |
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Nov 10, 2014 1:30:07 GMT -5
Great thread. Regarding Jim Lee's current position, until very recently getting promoted to the corporate world was the only way to work in the industry and have any sort of job security. Look at John Romita. Worked the bullpen until he got a staff job as Art Director. I'm sure his retirement is much more comfortable as a result, as opposed to someone like Steve Ditko who has only ever been in the trenches. Happily, times have changed and if you have the skill, business savvy and a massive amount of luck you can parlay your comics work into something that actually earns you money. Look at Robert Kirkman and Mark Millar, they're making money off of their own properties. Thats pretty damn cool and, partially, thanks to Jim Lee. It wasn't entirely too recently that Eastman and Laird did okay working for themselves. They have a pretty amazing story for sure. |
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 10, 2014 11:18:16 GMT -5
The only creator I've ever seen badmouth Lee is Steve Bissette, who feels that Lee hijacked 1963 with the sole intent of poaching Alan Moore for his own books. Lee is known as one of the nicest guys in the industry, and I think that reputation is largely deserved. Still, I don't think it was about creator rights for him as just creating in general... and possibly buying a villa in Italy. Chris Claremont suggested on several occasions that his reason for leaving Marvel the first time was that Lee was trying to run the X-Books and editorial was supporting him, but Claremont has been careful with his words in the interviews I've read, presumably because he went back to working for Marvel. As you said, he's been careful about what he's said about Lee, and Lee would get him to work for Wildstorm on two occasions. I've always read Claremont's displeasure as being more directed towards Bob Harras, but that might be because so much displeasure is directed towards Harras in general. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Nov 10, 2014 11:41:41 GMT -5
I don't think this was mentioned previously but I recollect the Sports Card Speculation Boom preceded comics. It had peaked and actually began to have its downturn when the Comics Boom began. I recall various mentions in fanzines questioning whether the same speculators from the card format had now turned their attention to comics
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Post by shaxper on Nov 11, 2014 11:37:58 GMT -5
I don't think this was mentioned previously but I recollect the Sports Card Speculation Boom preceded comics. It had peaked and actually began to have its downturn when the Comics Boom began. I recall various mentions in fanzines questioning whether the same speculators from the card format had now turned their attention to comics Absolutely true. In fact, as the economy was doing pretty well and disposable income was one the rise, pretty much everything was becoming a collectible at this point, including those commemorative plates they sold on TV, vintage toys, and even (for a brief moment) cereal boxes. |
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Post by Randle-El on Nov 11, 2014 13:56:02 GMT -5
I don't think this was mentioned previously but I recollect the Sports Card Speculation Boom preceded comics. It had peaked and actually began to have its downturn when the Comics Boom began. I recall various mentions in fanzines questioning whether the same speculators from the card format had now turned their attention to comics I tend to associate the sports card boom with the rise of Upper Deck. The comparison isn't entirely accurate, but in some ways they were like the Image of the sports card world at the time. At any rate, I think Upper Deck came to prominence in the late 80s, around 1989, which was just before the the comic speculation boom. If we consider the early Image years as the prime of the comics boom, then I would tend to agree, as I think sports cards had started to fall off by then already. Based on my own anecdotal evidence, I would absolutely agree with you that a lot of the same people were involved in both. I collected baseball cards along with comic books, as did many of my friends. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 11, 2014 13:59:37 GMT -5
I don't think this was mentioned previously but I recollect the Sports Card Speculation Boom preceded comics. It had peaked and actually began to have its downturn when the Comics Boom began. I recall various mentions in fanzines questioning whether the same speculators from the card format had now turned their attention to comics I tend to associate the sports card boom with the rise of Upper Deck. The comparison isn't entirely accurate, but in some ways they were like the Image of the sports card world at the time. At any rate, I think Upper Deck came to prominence in the late 80s, around 1989, which was just before the the comic speculation boom. If we consider the early Image years as the prime of the comics boom, then I would tend to agree, as I think sports cards had started to fall off by then already. Based on my own anecdotal evidence, I would absolutely agree with you that a lot of the same people were involved in both. I collected baseball cards along with comic books, as did many of my friends. I'm glad you brought up Upper Deck. As someone who was loosely involved in the Sports Card boom (I was in 4th grade when I got into, and out of, sports card collecting) I remember collectors getting excited about Donruss, Upper Deck, and the new Bowman, somehow believing that the company the card came from gave it more value. One could find that analogous to what happened with both Image and Valiant. Though I never understood why Fleer/Score never caught on in quite the same way. |
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Post by MDG on Nov 11, 2014 15:42:32 GMT -5
Didn't the sports card boom and comic boom combine to create a non-sports card frenzy? For a while it seemed Marvel was putting out a new series every month.
Then there were pogs...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 15:50:18 GMT -5
Didn't the sports card boom and comic boom combine to create a non-sports card frenzy? For a while it seemed Marvel was putting out a new series every month. Then there were pogs... Another thing about the 90s I had succeeded in forgetting until now....  -M |
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Post by fanboystranger on Nov 11, 2014 15:53:12 GMT -5
Didn't the sports card boom and comic boom combine to create a non-sports card frenzy? For a while it seemed Marvel was putting out a new series every month. Then there were pogs... Spawn pogs pretty much put Eclipse out of business by combining two terrible things. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2014 17:47:44 GMT -5
There was a store that sold nothing but pogs out here when I was a kid. I don't think the place lasted a year. But I remember kids with those giant tubes that looked like bongs filled with pogs. Some of them three feet long
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Post by shaxper on Nov 11, 2014 18:16:21 GMT -5
All I really remember about pogs was when the Simpsons took a dig at them with an official limited edition Steve Allen pog somehow worked into the episode (I really don't recall anything about it, but it was hilarious).
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 11, 2014 18:19:25 GMT -5
All I really remember about pogs was when the Simpsons took a dig at them with an official limited edition Steve Allen pog somehow worked into the episode (I really don't recall anything about it, but it was hilarious). There was the classic episode where Milhouse traded Bart's Soul for Alf pogs. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 11, 2014 18:20:18 GMT -5
All I really remember about pogs was when the Simpsons took a dig at them with an official limited edition Steve Allen pog somehow worked into the episode (I really don't recall anything about it, but it was hilarious). There was the classic episode where Milhouse traded Bart's Soul for Alf pogs. I think it might have been the same episode. |
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Post by Action Ace on Nov 11, 2014 18:27:51 GMT -5
There was the classic episode where Milhouse traded Bart's Soul for Alf pogs. I think it might have been the same episode. Googlefu! Steve Allen's pog was in the episdoe "Round Springfield near the end of season six. Alf's pog was in Bart Sells His Soul near the start of season seven in 1995. |
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