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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 8, 2022 9:30:12 GMT -5
Never been a huge Avengers fan much in general. Nothing against them, I just in general prefer solo superhero stories as oppose to team books. But Roy Thomas gets it for Celestial Madonna, one of my favorite comic stories ever.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2022 9:45:45 GMT -5
Never been a huge Avengers fan much in general. Nothing against them, I just in general prefer solo superhero stories as oppose to team books. But Roy Thomas gets it for Celestial Madonna, one of my favorite comic stories ever. Celestial Madonna was Englehart not Thomas. -M
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Post by tonebone on Feb 8, 2022 10:16:31 GMT -5
Busiek edges out Stern for me, and really no one else is close. Hickman and Bendis get negative points for sure. Yeah that Hickman stuff was absolutely unreadable. I'm sure he's a good writer somewhere, but not on the Avengers.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Feb 8, 2022 12:58:47 GMT -5
Never been a huge Avengers fan much in general. Nothing against them, I just in general prefer solo superhero stories as oppose to team books. But Roy Thomas gets it for Celestial Madonna, one of my favorite comic stories ever. Celestial Madonna was Englehart not Thomas. -M Hmmm well my CLZ Comics app, which is what I checked as I couldn't remember, credits the Celestial Madonna TPB to Roy Thomas. While Lone Stars notes Englehart. So since I didn't vote yet I'll vote correctly now.
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Post by profh0011 on Feb 8, 2022 13:01:54 GMT -5
BRIAN CLEMENS, followed by Philip Hinchcliff.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 8, 2022 13:07:15 GMT -5
1. Roy Thomas 2. Stan Lee 3. Jim Shooter 4. Roger stern 5. Kurt Busiek
Thomas and Lee because they built the foundation and shooter and Stern because they added to the foundation. Busiek is good but he just copied what was already established.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 8, 2022 15:38:50 GMT -5
Englehart. That Giant-Size era, especially the Kang storyline, was mind-blowingly awesome. Ditto, and for the same reason. Continuity gets a bad rap, because it's often overused to the point of killing the simple joy of reading comics about grown people wearing masks punching each other... But when it's well handled, it gives cheap floppies a great sense of history, as if instead of a cheap story printed on toilet paper and aimed at selling X-ray goggles we held a small fragment in a gigantic puzzle. Englehart was brilliant at weaving continuity as if the Vision had been planned to be the Human Torch right from the start, as if the Blue area had originally been conceived as a base built by Kree slaves for Skrull masters, and as if (many years later) the Beyonder had always been an imperfect comsic cube.
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Post by MDG on Feb 8, 2022 17:13:35 GMT -5
I chose Roger Stern just from the experience of seeing him at Ithacon talking about how he works and, with a few pages he'd just received, riffing on them.
They were "standing around Avengers Mansion" pages, and he explained who were the foci of each panel, how they were interacting, their tone/attitude, etc. He was like (not exact words): Well Iron Man's obviously asking a question here and Thor's got his arm raised, so he's saying something like, "Verily, I say we must!"
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Post by Farrar on Feb 8, 2022 19:45:35 GMT -5
Definitely Thomas for me; he was the writer when I was reading the Avengers and he started the Wanda-Vision romance.
Second is Stan, for those Kooky Quartet stories.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 8, 2022 22:27:40 GMT -5
Stan Lee set the template for the oft-bickering heroes, and some of Marvel's greatest team dramas, but Roy Thomas defined the title like no other. He made The Avengers rise from second-place team book to the Fantastic Four to standing shoulder-to-shoulder with it...occasionally surpassing it. Thomas knew the tone and meaning of every character, and knew how bring the earthy, suffering best out of them. Thomas was also the writer who gave the book one of--if not its greatest saga in the Kree-Skrull war, and unlike "event" comics in Marvel's then-future, this one felt like it had a reason to exist, and logically involved all players seen. The title would never see the consistent heights like the Thomas run again Yes, yes, yes. And that stretch when Buscema drew it made Roy's scripts sing. The first Ultron story, which concluded with the lines from "Ozymandias" were my introduction to that great poem. Nicely done there, Roy. Fully agree on the Kree-Skrull saga as well. It wasn't an "event;" it was in some ways the first Marvel movie, but it was unpredictable, suspenseful, and exciting. That opening page of Avengers 56, and quite a few others, for that matter...
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Post by berkley on Feb 8, 2022 23:10:17 GMT -5
Stan Lee set the template for the oft-bickering heroes, and some of Marvel's greatest team dramas, but Roy Thomas defined the title like no other. He made The Avengers rise from second-place team book to the Fantastic Four to standing shoulder-to-shoulder with it...occasionally surpassing it. Thomas knew the tone and meaning of every character, and knew how bring the earthy, suffering best out of them. Thomas was also the writer who gave the book one of--if not its greatest saga in the Kree-Skrull war, and unlike "event" comics in Marvel's then-future, this one felt like it had a reason to exist, and logically involved all players seen. The title would never see the consistent heights like the Thomas run again Yes, yes, yes. And that stretch when Buscema drew it made Roy's scripts sing. The first Ultron story, which concluded with the lines from "Ozymandias" were my introduction to that great poem. Nicely done there, Roy. Fully agree on the Kree-Skrull saga as well. It wasn't an "event;" it was in some ways the first Marvel movie, but it was unpredictable, suspenseful, and exciting. That opening page of Avengers 56, and quite a few others, for that matter...
Good call. I also remember being struck when he quoted Tennyson in the first Arkon story at one point, in a romantic scene with Arkon and the Scarlet Witch:
Not that I knew anything about Tennyson at that age but it still left an impression.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 9, 2022 8:10:40 GMT -5
Avengers 56 and Annual 2 might be my favorite 2 parter In The run.
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Post by berkley on Feb 9, 2022 23:28:16 GMT -5
Avengers 56 and Annual 2 might be my favorite 2 parter In The run. Those were two of my earliest Avengers reads as a kid. Definitely a highlight of the series.
edit: checking the credits for the Annual, I realise that I don't actually remember the story in that one off the top of my head, though I recognise the cover. But #56 I recall very well - and even where I was when I read it (in the back seat of the car while we were on summer vacation).
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Post by Farrar on Feb 10, 2022 19:04:20 GMT -5
Avengers 56 and Annual 2 might be my favorite 2 parter In The run. Those were two of my earliest Avengers reads as a kid. Definitely a highlight of the series. edit: checking the credits for the Annual, I realise that I don't actually remember the story in that one off the top of my head, though I recognise the cover. But #56 I recall very well - and even where I was when I read it (in the back seat of the car while we were on summer vacation).
Oh man can I relate to that! We were on summer vacation too, upstate, when I stumbled upon that Avengers Annual in a little gifts/souvenir store. In a spinner rack no less! I begged my mother to buy it for me. I'd missed several issues of the Avengers series at that point in time so I was overjoyed to finally find an Avengers comic, even if it apparent that it was continued from a story I hadn't yet read (I didn't actually get a copy of #56 until a year or so later). But even so, that Annual #2 was pure gold to me, with that cover, the Buscema Avengers pin-up inside, and an engrossing story by RT.
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Post by Icctrombone on Feb 10, 2022 19:06:36 GMT -5
Those were two of my earliest Avengers reads as a kid. Definitely a highlight of the series. edit: checking the credits for the Annual, I realise that I don't actually remember the story in that one off the top of my head, though I recognise the cover. But #56 I recall very well - and even where I was when I read it (in the back seat of the car while we were on summer vacation).
Oh man can I relate to that! We were on summer vacation too, upstate, when I stumbled upon that Avengers Annual in a little gifts/souvenir store. In a spinner rack no less! I begged my mother to buy it for me. I'd missed several issues of the Avengers series at that point in time so I was overjoyed to finally find an Avengers comic, even if it apparent that it was continued from a story I hadn't yet read (I didn't actually get a copy of #56 until a year or so later). But even so, that Annual #2 was pure gold to me, with that cover, the Buscema Avengers pin-up inside, and an engrossing story by RT. What made the Annual great was that it explained issue #56 adequately. I too read 56 after the annual and it was a story onto itself.
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