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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 14, 2022 3:13:33 GMT -5
Years ago in one of these threads i posted some examples of Superman's greatest acts of "super-dickery". Statute of Limitations allow me to repeat some now
The Bottle City Of Kandor
Does Superman actually enjoy the fact he has about a million of his fellow Kryptonians trapped in a bottle, looking up to him as a god, and he making empty vows that he's working on a solution to enlarge them. Seriously, what's the problem here? Superman has travelled all around the universe, regularly making space patrols. He never ran into some decent uninhabited planet under a yellow sun? What does size matter if you have superpowers and a planet to call your own? Clearly this is an extension of editor Mort Weisinger's treatment of his staff, his "little people", to be worshipped and keeping them trapped in a humiliating condition.
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Post by zaku on Jul 14, 2022 5:21:06 GMT -5
Years ago in one of these threads i posted some examples of Superman's greatest acts of "super-dickery". Statute of Limitations allow me to repeat some now The Bottle City Of KandorDoes Superman actually enjoy the fact he has about a million of his fellow Kryptonians trapped in a bottle, looking up to him as a god, and he making empty vows that he's working on a solution to enlarge them. Seriously, what's the problem here? Superman has travelled all around the universe, regularly making space patrols. He never ran into some decent uninhabited planet under a yellow sun? What does size matter if you have superpowers and a planet to call your own? Clearly this is an extension of editor Mort Weisinger's treatment of his staff, his "little people", to be worshipped and keeping them trapped in a humiliating condition. Yep! This was exactly the solution that Morrison found in his "All Star Superman". If you are the sole inhabitants of a planet, size doesn't matter
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 14, 2022 7:08:48 GMT -5
There are more questions about Superman keeping his fellow Kryptonians bottled up. He never seemed to have given them a bigger bottle. Meaning the population of the Kandorians had to be controlled under the strictest guidelines for there was no room for expansion. At least not under Superman's "benevolent" rules. C'mon now-I've seen glass tank aquariums much bigger than that bottle. And why did they have to have that artificial red sun in the bottle to begin with? Why would the kandorians need to be supsectible to fatal accidents and diseases needlessly. How cruel could Kal-El be to not share the wonderous power the Earth's yellow sun would have provided? Was Superman tempted to throw Kara Zor-El into the bottle when she first landed on earth? "Don't worry, Kara. As soon as I'm convinced that you are ready to display your powers publically, I'll let you out" I say BS. No deposit, no return
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Post by badwolf on Jul 14, 2022 8:48:43 GMT -5
Kandor and the Kandorans were never drawn to proportion. If there were a million of them in there, they would have to be microscopic, and their buildings barely discernible to the normal human eye!
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Post by zaku on Jul 14, 2022 9:22:13 GMT -5
There are more questions about Superman keeping his fellow Kryptonians bottled up. He never seemed to have given them a bigger bottle. Meaning the population of the Kandorians had to be controlled under the strictest guidelines for there was no room for expansion. At least not under Superman's "benevolent" rules. C'mon now-I've seen glass tank aquariums much bigger than that bottle. And why did they have to have that artificial red sun in the bottle to begin with? Why would the kandorians need to be supsectible to fatal accidents and diseases needlessly. How cruel could Kal-El be to not share the wonderous power the Earth's yellow sun would have provided? Was Superman tempted to throw Kara Zor-El into the bottle when she first landed on earth? "Don't worry, Kara. As soon as I'm convinced that you are ready to display your powers publically, I'll let you out" I say BS. No deposit, no return Well, I remember correctly, they could get out of the bottle and have powers ONLY if they accepted to help Superman in doing his job (the Superman Emergency Squad) Otherwise, they were doomed to go mad with claustrophobia in a bottle with no powers. Superman was a monster!
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 14, 2022 9:49:09 GMT -5
Kandor and the Kandorans were never drawn to proportion. If there were a million of them in there, they would have to be microscopic, and their buildings barely discernible to the normal human eye! I asked the question about Kandor's population in the Ask The CCF thread and on July 4th, Foxley replied "According to Superman #307 (1977), it was approx. 7 million. According to Superman's Girl Friend, Lois Lane #134 (1973), it was approx. 10 million. Take your pick."
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Post by zaku on Jul 14, 2022 10:30:00 GMT -5
Kandor and the Kandorans were never drawn to proportion. If there were a million of them in there, they would have to be microscopic, and their buildings barely discernible to the normal human eye! I asked the question about Kandor's population in the Ask The CCF thread and on July 4th, Foxley replied "According to Superman #307 (1977), it was approx. 7 million. According to Superman's Girl Friend, Lois Lane #134 (1973), it was approx. 10 million. Take your pick." 3 millions suicides. It makes sense.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 14, 2022 10:32:38 GMT -5
They should all be like
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 14, 2022 10:46:25 GMT -5
They should all be like That's my next target, but I'll save it for tomorrow
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Post by tarkintino on Jul 14, 2022 16:16:12 GMT -5
Kandor and the Kandorans were never drawn to proportion. If there were a million of them in there, they would have to be microscopic, and their buildings barely discernible to the normal human eye! You'd think that with all of the shrinking and enlarging "rays" DC heroes have encountered up to that point, someone would have used one to upscale the people of Kandor to human size. Or I guess it was easier to endlessly exploit the novelty of a miniature city filled with a captive population.
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Post by badwolf on Jul 14, 2022 16:33:52 GMT -5
Kandor and the Kandorans were never drawn to proportion. If there were a million of them in there, they would have to be microscopic, and their buildings barely discernible to the normal human eye! You'd think that with all of the shrinking and enlarging "rays" DC heroes have encountered up to that point, someone would have used one to upscale the people of Kandor to human size. Or I guess it was easier to endlessly exploit the novelty of a miniature city filled with a captive population. That's what finally happened in The Dark Knight: Master Race. And when they came out, a large number of them were, in fact, insane.
Not in mainstream continuity though of course.
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Post by zaku on Jul 14, 2022 17:29:56 GMT -5
Kandor and the Kandorans were never drawn to proportion. If there were a million of them in there, they would have to be microscopic, and their buildings barely discernible to the normal human eye! You'd think that with all of the shrinking and enlarging "rays" DC heroes have encountered up to that point, someone would have used one to upscale the people of Kandor to human size. Or I guess it was easier to endlessly exploit the novelty of a miniature city filled with a captive population. They asked for the Atom's help once, but something something technobabble something he couldn't help them.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jul 15, 2022 5:50:05 GMT -5
The Tragic Story Of Mon-El [Pre-Crisis Version]
A nice, cheerful superpowered lad appears in Smallville and becomes best buddies with Superboy. But soon he succumbs to fatal lead poisoning, his one weakness. Desperate to save him, Superboy projects him into the Phantom Zone, vowing to find a way to cure him. Oh yeah, Superboy (or Superman) and his vows. So many stories were Supes asks leading scientists, other heroes, sorcerors and magicians, alien civilizations, anyone for any help with Mon-El's medical condition. Like in issue .... wait, I don't remember Supes asking anyone for help. And there's Mon-El in The Phantom Zone, surrounded by Krypton's worst criminals and perverts. They all hate him, bully him, shun him. And he sits and waits for his best friend. And waits and waits. And you'd think with Superman's fame and influence and access to all media that he'd make Mon-El's plight public knowledge. But evidently he didn't bother. Supes eventually dies and no one has ever heard about the story of poor Mon-El. Who waits and waits And waits for 1,000 years. When finally Saturn Girl from the Legion of Super-Heroes faintly detects Mon-Els pitiful whimpers from the Zone. She concocts a temporary serum so he can be free. Saturn Girl was never depicted to be such a Class-A genius but gets it done within a panel or two. And there's Superboy when Mon-El emerges from his 1,000 year imprisonment. You'd think Supes would get on his knees, begging Mon-El's forgivness for being preoccupied by teaching friends lessons instead of concentrating/publiciizng Mon-El's exile. Nah, just a "Good to see you again buddy"
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 16, 2022 9:28:49 GMT -5
The Tragic Story Of Mon-El [Pre-Crisis Version]A nice, cheerful superpowered lad appears in Smallville and becomes best buddies with Superboy. But soon he succumbs to fatal lead poisoning, his one weakness. Desperate to save him, Superboy projects him into the Phantom Zone, vowing to find a way to cure him. Oh yeah, Superboy (or Superman) and his vows. So many stories were Supes asks leading scientists, other heroes, sorcerors and magicians, alien civilizations, anyone for any help with Mon-El's medical condition. Like in issue .... wait, I don't remember Supes asking anyone for help. And there's Mon-El in The Phantom Zone, surrounded by Krypton's worst criminals and perverts. They all hate him, bully him, shun him. And he sits and waits for his best friend. And waits and waits. And you'd think with Superman's fame and influence and access to all media that he'd make Mon-El's plight public knowledge. But evidently he didn't bother. Supes eventually dies and no one has ever heard about the story of poor Mon-El. Who waits and waits And waits for 1,000 years. When finally Saturn Girl from the Legion of Super-Heroes faintly detects Mon-Els pitiful whimpers from the Zone. She concocts a temporary serum so he can be free. Saturn Girl was never depicted to be such a Class-A genius but gets it done within a panel or two. And there's Superboy when Mon-El emerges from his 1,000 year imprisonment. You'd think Supes would get on his knees, begging Mon-El's forgivness for being preoccupied by teaching friends lessons instead of concentrating/publiciizng Mon-El's exile. Nah, just a "Good to see you again buddy" I should not be laughing so hard. But the ongoing, centuries-long tragedy of Mon-El is hilarious.
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Post by zaku on Jul 16, 2022 10:18:03 GMT -5
The Tragic Story Of Mon-El [Pre-Crisis Version]A nice, cheerful superpowered lad appears in Smallville and becomes best buddies with Superboy. But soon he succumbs to fatal lead poisoning, his one weakness. Desperate to save him, Superboy projects him into the Phantom Zone, vowing to find a way to cure him. Oh yeah, Superboy (or Superman) and his vows. So many stories were Supes asks leading scientists, other heroes, sorcerors and magicians, alien civilizations, anyone for any help with Mon-El's medical condition. Like in issue .... wait, I don't remember Supes asking anyone for help. And there's Mon-El in The Phantom Zone, surrounded by Krypton's worst criminals and perverts. They all hate him, bully him, shun him. And he sits and waits for his best friend. And waits and waits. And you'd think with Superman's fame and influence and access to all media that he'd make Mon-El's plight public knowledge. But evidently he didn't bother. Supes eventually dies and no one has ever heard about the story of poor Mon-El. Who waits and waits And waits for 1,000 years. When finally Saturn Girl from the Legion of Super-Heroes faintly detects Mon-Els pitiful whimpers from the Zone. She concocts a temporary serum so he can be free. Saturn Girl was never depicted to be such a Class-A genius but gets it done within a panel or two. And there's Superboy when Mon-El emerges from his 1,000 year imprisonment. You'd think Supes would get on his knees, begging Mon-El's forgivness for being preoccupied by teaching friends lessons instead of concentrating/publiciizng Mon-El's exile. Nah, just a "Good to see you again buddy" I admit I didn't read a lot of pre-Crisis Superman's stories, but I don't recall a single one where he tries to search a cure for Mon-El... And was Sups that put him in that predicament! What a jerk!
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