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Post by Cei-U! on Jan 3, 2022 5:43:01 GMT -5
Currently my collection is stored in related groups of titles: Batman Family, DC Silver Age, DC Bronze Age, Marvel war and western, etc., etc., Interesting. I once considered doing it like that. What is your cut-off for Silver/Bronze age DC, or do you take it on a title-by-title basis? It's title-by-title, but that's an easier system than it sounds since books I have long runs of that span both eras--Batman, Detective, World's Finest, Justice League--get their own boxes.
Cei-U! I summon the inventory list that keeps it all straight for me!
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Post by kirby101 on Jan 3, 2022 8:54:04 GMT -5
Abadazad to Zorro
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jan 3, 2022 9:42:04 GMT -5
According to my CLZ application it's 1st Issue Special #9 and Zatanna (1993) #4.
In actual physical alphabetic order it's A. Bizzaro #1 and Zatanna (1993) #4, as I alphabetize number titles (2099 A.D. Special #1 as Twenty Ninty Nine)
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 3, 2022 10:20:25 GMT -5
Vertigo, Valiant and Conan comics are stored separately. I don't think I knew you were a big Valiant fan! Original universe, new stuff, or both? Just the original run. My relation with Valiant is an unusual one, in that I never bought the comics as they came out. One day in the late '90s or early 2000 I made my weekly visit to the LCS, and lo and behold the owners had landed a big lot of comics at a local auction the preceding weekend. They had set all the really valuable stuff aside, but were now stuck with a ton of what would have been quarter-bin fodder in those days, mostly Valiant titles. So many, in fact, that there was no room to stock them in the store; that's why they held a huge sale... at ten cents a comic. I might not have been overly attracted to the Valiant universe before, but at such a price I just splurged and went away with a longbox full of Valiant comics. (I had to walk home with them all, a 4 km endurance course ). I didn't land any of the really pricy Valiant books, but got several years worth of most titles starting around the Unity crossover. In later years I filled a few holes here and there, especially when Newkadia would have sales and the Canadian dollar was still worth something. Needless to say, I was in comic-book heaven with the tight continuity between the titles and the time periods covered, as well as with the Barry Windsor-Smith art featured in Archer & Armstrong, Eternal Warrior, X-O manowar and others. The early Valiant, under the aegis of Jim Shooter, was just the way I think a shared universe should be managed!
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Post by shaxper on Jan 3, 2022 10:44:47 GMT -5
The early Valiant, under the aegis of Jim Shooter, was just the way I think a shared universe should be managed! Ah, the landmine that is discussing Jim Shooter! If you grew up on '60s DC or '90s Valiant, he was a genius;'70s or '80s Marvel, and he was a monster. And, if you love them all, that's one complicated portrait to reconcile. I know one behind-the-scenes Valiant anecdote in which he rewrote an entire issue of X-O Manowar at the last minute because it created a continuity glitch between that comic and what was happening in the most recent issue of Harbinger. That example helps put it all into perspective for me: if tight continuity in a shared universe is what matters most, Shooter is a hero in that example. If you believe in letting creators create and not overly hindering them, Shooter is a monster in that example, burying a story someone else worked hard to write because it conflicted with Shooter's vision. So I guess I see both sides of it. At least at Valiant, he was clearly a genius, and it's also clear why most folks at Valiant didn't cry foul when he was ousted.
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Post by MDG on Jan 3, 2022 10:53:09 GMT -5
The early Valiant, under the aegis of Jim Shooter, was just the way I think a shared universe should be managed! Ah, the landmine that is discussing Jim Shooter! He seems to be doing a lot of appearances lately, especially at a time when in-person events are still somewhat tentative due to ... well, we all know why. An attempt to rehabilitate/solidify his legacy?
When he was here at a show in November, there was a pretty big line for autographs. I don;t recall if he was charging, but I don't think so,
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Post by shaxper on Jan 3, 2022 10:57:52 GMT -5
Ah, the landmine that is discussing Jim Shooter! He seems to been doing a lot of appearances lately, especially at a time when in-person events are still somewhat tentative due to ... well we all know why. An attempt to rehabilitate/solidify his legacy? When he was here at a show in November, there was a pretty big line for autographs. I don;t recall if he was charging, but I don't think so,
I've noticed that too, especially the Mile High Comics thing. Maybe it's a health issue? He is starting to get up there in age.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jan 3, 2022 11:02:42 GMT -5
The early Valiant, under the aegis of Jim Shooter, was just the way I think a shared universe should be managed! Ah, the landmine that is discussing Jim Shooter! If you grew up on '60s DC or '90s Valiant, he was a genius;'70s or '80s Marvel, and he was a monster. And, if you love them all, that's one complicated portrait to reconcile. I know one behind-the-scenes Valiant anecdote in which he rewrote an entire issue of X-O Manowar at the last minute because it created a continuity glitch between that comic and what was happening in the most recent issue of Harbinger. That example helps put it all into perspective for me: if tight continuity in a shared universe is what matters most, Shooter is a hero in that example. If you believe in letting creators create and not overly hindering them, Shooter is a monster in that example, burying a story someone else worked hard to write because it conflicted with Shooter's vision. So I guess I see both sides of it. At least at Valiant, he was clearly a genius, and it's also clear why most folks at Valiant didn't cry foul when he was ousted. I love discussions about Jim Shooter! Did you see the massive Shooter interview that the Comics Historians held? It's over seven hours long, and I never got bored. I agree that he was often adamant on certain things that might have felt stultifying to certain creators (emphasis on the clarity of storytelling, remembering that every issue is someone's first exposure to the characters, continuity between titles, having consistent powers and the like); I sort of doubt that Shooter would have allowed people like Neal Adams or Philippe Druillet to go crazy with page structure the way they did. At the same time, when he left Valiant, it didn't take long for the line to start slipping into retcon and internal contradiction territory. Most of all, I think he often had a certain "my way or the highway" attitude that would grate the nerves of certain creators. I had a boss like that, once, and while I knew how to handle him (present your ideas as if he had been behind them, mostly) some of my colleagues were just always at loggerheads with him. Your example of the redone X-O story sounds just like something he would do... pay the work commissioned, but not use it and redo it himself because the original didn't fit the editorial frame. It's a fair decision, economically speaking, and it's a sound decision, editorially speaking, but it's also sort of rude to whoever saw their work shelved! I can see why egos would be bruised in such circumstances.
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Post by DubipR on Jan 3, 2022 11:05:50 GMT -5
It would be:
A comic in the first long box to Ze last one in my long box.
*crickets chirping*
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Post by shaxper on Jan 3, 2022 11:18:15 GMT -5
Most of all, I think he often had a certain "my way or the highway" attitude that would grate the nerves of certain creators. Yeah, and timing was a huge factor here, too. Marvel had been very laissez faire before his arrival. Roy Thomas had that belief that a good writer could edit themselves, and everyone who came after him 1) had such a quick turn-around, and 2) were members of the bullpen themselves who likely didn't want to ruffle feathers. So throwing Shooter into an environment like that one, especially if he had little appreciation for tact and subtlety, was a recipe for disaster. Probably would have worked fine at DC (where Shooter learned his craft).
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Post by badwolf on Jan 3, 2022 11:25:42 GMT -5
I love discussions about Jim Shooter! Did you see the massive Shooter interview that the Comics Historians held? It's over seven hours long, and I never got bored. Thanks for that link! I have saved it to watch later when I have time.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jan 3, 2022 11:39:24 GMT -5
(...) Did you see the massive Shooter interview that the Comics Historians held? It's over seven hours long, and I never got bored. (...) It's twenty minutes shy of eight hours, and then a 3 and a half hour companion interview was released not long afterward. But you're right: it's not at all boring at any moment.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 3, 2022 11:50:58 GMT -5
(...) Did you see the massive Shooter interview that the Comics Historians held? It's over seven hours long, and I never got bored. (...) It's twenty minutes shy of eight hours, and then a 3 and a half hour companion interview was released not long afterward. But you're right: it's not at all boring at any moment. I need them to release it as a podcast so that I can listen to it in the car.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jan 3, 2022 12:00:56 GMT -5
I need them to release it as a podcast so that I can listen to it in the car. I'm actually surprised that they didn't put an audio version into their podcast feed - they usually do so with their video interviews, esp. ones with high-profile comics personalities. Anyway, I used one of those online apps and converted it into an mp3 and then listened to it over the course of a few days.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 13:34:48 GMT -5
My collection is grouped by families/characters, and sorted by continuity within the group. I'm not a completist about collecting runs, I only care about good individual issues (of course, there's the rare run where every issue is good, so I end up with a complete run). With Marvel and independents and licensed properties, this ends up being well-organized: X-Men includes all the solo mutant titles, the Avengers group includes the solo titles of the various Avengers, the Spider-Man group includes all the Spidey titles, and there's about a dozen more families of titles. I do something similar with DC, except I have one big DC Universe group as a catch-all, instead of Titans group and a JLA group and Suicide Squad group, etc. From DC, only Batman and Wonder Woman get their own group, since I have enough of their issues that they would dominate the DCU group if put in there.
One reason I do it this way is that I like to (or plan to) do a start-to-finish continuity reading of the groups, as curated by me. I've only accomplished this with Batman, Conan, and Spider-Man so far. I plan to get to DC next, and that'll probably take a couple years to get through.
If I were to sort alphabetically, it would probably go from 1963 to Young Avengers.
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