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Post by crazyoldhermit on Dec 29, 2021 17:05:35 GMT -5
Events and relaunches, the two annual quarterly curses of the modern Big Two. Both cash in on short term gains in exchange for long term damage, like a drug addict frying the pleasure centers of his brain. Continuing the point I made above, when readers are searching for Volume 1, and there are twelve "Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1" trades on the shelf, with zero clarification on what order they should be read in, all it does is block out future readership.
Yes, the current consumer base deserves what they have gotten, but when that well is eventually bled dry the Big Two will deserve what happens to them as well.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 17:24:48 GMT -5
Both cash in on short term gains in exchange for long term damage, like a drug addict frying the pleasure centers of his brain. Continuing the point I made above, when readers are searching for Volume 1, and there are twelve "Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1" trades on the shelf, with zero clarification on what order they should be read in, all it does is block out future readership. The frying the pleasure centers of his brain analogy made me smile. As for there being countless “Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1” trades, I agree. I’ve had this discussion. It confuses even me at times. On rare occasions when someone has asked me what order something is in (someone who might be a lapsed comic fan, for instance), I have to tell them I don’t know. It involves “homework” at times even for me. Sure, it’s doable. But I did pick up the wrong Volume 2 of Marvel’s DARTH VADER once. Easily rectified, but shows the confusion. Will we ever see a 50th issue of any Marvel title? Some may have reached or exceeded that milestone. But it seems most just keep renumbering constantly.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 29, 2021 17:43:50 GMT -5
DC keeps rebooting faster and faster...
Crisis rebooted 40-50 years of continuity...
Zero Hour was 9 years after that.
The there was the return to a Multiverse with 52 in 2005 (10 years later)
Flashpoint/New 52 in 2011 (6 years later)
Convergence/Rebirth in 2016 that killed the New 52-verse (after 5 years)
Now we have dark Metal/whatever/Future state another (almost) 5 years later.. and an extremely loose continuity it is right now. Does the Warworld stuff REALLY live in the same Universe as the Green Lantern story? Is the Nightwing in the Nightwing book the same Dick Grayson in Teen Titans Academy? Doesn't feel like it.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 29, 2021 17:48:14 GMT -5
DC keeps rebooting faster and faster... Crisis rebooted 40-50 years of continuity... Zero Hour was 9 years after that. The there was the return to a Multiverse with 52 in 2005 (10 years later) Flashpoint/New 52 in 2011 (6 years later) Convergence/Rebirth in 2016 that killed the New 52-verse (after 5 years) Now we have dark Metal/whatever/Future state another (almost) 5 years later.. and an extremely loose continuity it is right now. Does the Warworld stuff REALLY live in the same Universe as the Green Lantern story? Is the Nightwing in the Nightwing book the same Dick Grayson in Teen Titans Academy? Doesn't feel like it. Junkies gotta have more of the stuff more often to get the same high.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 29, 2021 18:58:54 GMT -5
DC keeps rebooting faster and faster... Crisis rebooted 40-50 years of continuity... Zero Hour was 9 years after that. The there was the return to a Multiverse with 52 in 2005 (10 years later) Flashpoint/New 52 in 2011 (6 years later) Convergence/Rebirth in 2016 that killed the New 52-verse (after 5 years) We shall soon reach the singularity... where every issue is a new #1 !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2021 19:00:50 GMT -5
DC keeps rebooting faster and faster... Crisis rebooted 40-50 years of continuity... Zero Hour was 9 years after that. The there was the return to a Multiverse with 52 in 2005 (10 years later) Flashpoint/New 52 in 2011 (6 years later) Convergence/Rebirth in 2016 that killed the New 52-verse (after 5 years) We shall soon reach the singularity... where every issue is a new #1 ! Nooooo! If they do, that’s comiXology screwed, then.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Dec 30, 2021 12:26:41 GMT -5
As for there being countless “Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1” trades, I agree. I’ve had this discussion. It confuses even me at times. On rare occasions when someone has asked me what order something is in (someone who might be a lapsed comic fan, for instance), I have to tell them I don’t know. It involves “homework” at times even for me.
I was reading the trades for the Carol Danvers Captain Marvel series for a while, but gave up because even the websites which tried to present a chronology completely confused me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 12:33:34 GMT -5
As for there being countless “Amazing Spider-Man Volume 1” trades, I agree. I’ve had this discussion. It confuses even me at times. On rare occasions when someone has asked me what order something is in (someone who might be a lapsed comic fan, for instance), I have to tell them I don’t know. It involves “homework” at times even for me.
I was reading the trades for the Carol Danvers Captain Marvel series for a while, but gave up because even the websites which tried to present a chronology completely confused me.
I think I had a similar problem with some of the modern Thor volumes. It’s not my responsibility to do “homework”. It’s the responsibility of publishers to make their volumes/trades accessible. Yes, it’s not “homework” that will take hours. It’s not studying complex algebraic equations for 3-4 hours. But as you show with your Carol Danvers anecdote, it confused you and you gave up. One lost sale (or more). No-one would mind a cursory glance or several seconds of searching. But not “homework”. Someone online mentioned how he accidentally ordered the New 52 Aquaman volume (not sure of the volume number) rather than the Rebirth Aquaman volume. Whether it be you giving up, or mistakes occurring, it’s not conducive to good business.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 30, 2021 19:19:08 GMT -5
I suspect that still doesn't matter compared to the sales bump of a new series, sadly. I mean, Marvel almost seems like they're confusing people on purpose at this point, switching back and forth from 'legacy' number to the series and back again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2021 19:29:14 GMT -5
Note to Marvel: You can't eat your cake and then still have it too.
Renumber or use old numbers, but don’t do both.
It’s much easier to give my money to the Big Two via comiXology if we have high numbers. Finding BATMAN #309 (if it is available) should be easy. Finding the ‘right’ DEADPOOL #1 would be impossible after just 2 minutes, so I don’t think I’d bother.
High numbers never put me off. ACTION COMICS had surpassed way over 500 issues when I was a kid, I did not presume I’d need to buy 583 issues in order to be up to speed. I really do question the idea that high numbers are off-putting. I think that has been debated here previously.
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Post by Dizzy D on Feb 20, 2022 4:43:04 GMT -5
We shall soon reach the singularity... where every issue is a new #1 ! Nooooo! If they do, that’s comiXology screwed, then. No worries, comiXology is perfectly capable of screwing themselves without any help of the publishers.
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Post by Duragizer on Feb 20, 2022 18:23:23 GMT -5
I'm not the Marvel Multiverse's biggest fan, but I think DC's current Multi-Multiverse/Omniverse has it beat in the artificiality department.
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Post by Marv-El on Feb 22, 2022 13:58:08 GMT -5
For me, it's about perception. DC was straight up forward about they had a multiverse, here's how it's laid out. When I first started reading DC back in the early-mid 80s, there were references to their multiverse in some form or fashion, as a new reader, you were exposed to it's existence very early so it felt more natural and encompassing.
However, Marvel was hither come-lately to the party. They made have had such elements beforehand but they never referred to them directly in that manner until fairly recently. If anything, my impression was always not so much a multiverse but more alternate timelines. X-Men reigned supreme in that dept for years and I viewed every issue of What If? in the same light, as merely changes in time rather than whole separate worlds. Yes, the Ultimate brand, New Universe(al), MC2, can now be considered as such but to me, Marvel didn't fully invest into the multiversal concept till the success of the Spider Verse arcs and films.
But DC also feels more natural because (and this is a description that may rarely been used for it) their multiverse is so much simpler. Earth-1, Earth-2, Earth-3, Earth-S, Earth-X, it's easier to identify and track who's where. Earth-616? These are the Avengers of Earth-36842? What? No, far too complicated and frankly I don't care to learn any of the designations.
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Post by Prince Hal on Feb 22, 2022 15:31:49 GMT -5
I just think it's cool that the word "multiverse" is now an accepted term in all kinds of sciences. Not sure who at DC coined it or borrowed it -- maybe in COIE? -- but it's apparently an easy way to descripe the possibility of universe upon universe.
Just as it was back when I first read about it in 1964.
I was 10.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 22, 2022 15:48:19 GMT -5
I just think it's cool that the word "multiverse" is now an accepted term in all kinds of sciences. Not sure who at DC coined it or borrowed it -- maybe in COIE? -- but it's apparently an easy way to descripe the possibility of universe upon universe. Just as it was back when I first read about it in 1964. I was 10. I was under the impression that Michael Moorcock had introduced it to the SF/fantasy world, but maybe he was just the first I heard about. (Man, I miss reading Moorcock for the first time. It felt so cool and avant-gardiste!)
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