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Post by dbutler69 on Dec 21, 2021 10:51:14 GMT -5
I don't know if this has been done before or not. I didn't find it with a quick search.
Anyway, who do you think has the best rogues gallery?
I'm thinking Flash, Spider-Man, and Batman are the three main contenders. Superman has a few good ones, too, but I can't stand Lex Luthor, so that knocks his rogues down a bit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:05:46 GMT -5
For me, it has to be about quality and quantity. Superman has a lot of enemies, but I think that once you get past Luthor, Brainiac, Metallo and maybe a few others, the quality dips a little. If there’s no quantity, that can be bad. Could you count the rogues galleries of some heroes on one hand?
I think Batman and Spider-Man have both quality and quantity in their rogues galleries. I would have to hand it to Batman, for sheer diversity and complexity as much as anything.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:19:43 GMT -5
Personally my favorite is Will Eisner's The Spirit's rogues gallery, especially the parade of femme fatales who populate it-P'Gell, Sand Serif, Silk Satin, etc. and the big mystery arch-nemesis The Octopus. -M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:22:48 GMT -5
I like it when a hero has numerous opponents. I mean, does Flash Gordon have foes other than Ming the Merciless? If so, I’m probably unfamiliar with them. But when I’ve watched incarnations of Flash, the whole Flash VS Ming thing can get old. Same with He-Man and Skeletor. Yes, I know Skeletor has numerous underlings, but when a villain called Count Marko showed up in one episode, I was pleased.
Do the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have major foes besides Shredder?
The more the merrier, I say, but quality and quantity must go together.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:26:38 GMT -5
I like it when a hero has numerous opponents. I mean, does Flash Gordon have foes other than Ming the Merciless? If so, I’m probably unfamiliar with them. But when I’ve watched incarnations of Flash, the whole Flash VS Ming thing can get old. Same with He-Man and Skeletor. Yes, I know Skeletor has numerous underlings, but when a villain called Count Marko showed up in one episode, I was pleased. Do the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles have major foes besides Shredder? The more the merrier, I say, but quality and quantity must go together. All depends. If it is an ongoing serial, then sure more foes is needed. Flash Gordon however could have been done with just Raymond's story-the story of a hero overcoming the villain after a struggle and having an ending. Nothing more is needed. The need for a rogues gallery for most characters stems form the fact they are products not stories and products need to be perpetuated while stories have endings. -M
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 11:33:27 GMT -5
Spider-Man and Batman for me take all in this category. I've often debated who wins between these two and I'm still on the fence.
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 21, 2021 11:41:20 GMT -5
I like it when a hero has numerous opponents. I mean, does Flash Gordon have foes other than Ming the Merciless? If so, I’m probably unfamiliar with them. But when I’ve watched incarnations of Flash, the whole Flash VS Ming thing can get old. You've nailed that one!
"Flash vs. Ming" got old IN THE 1930s newspaper comics!! The one big over-arching storyline took 9 WHOLE YEARS before reaching an ending, making it far worse and more monotonous than any 15-chapter movie serial ever was. And the astonishing thing is... just like THE FUGITIVE tv series in the 60s, when it finally did reach the ending, it came SUDDENLY, with no proper build-up, as if it wasn't any kind of natural creative thing, but an abrupt editorial decision.
The 3 Universal movie serials in the 30s, it turns out, were actually BETTER-WRITTEN than the source material. Especially the 3rd one, which had only 12 chapters, and was structured like a trilogy. It's no wonder I can watch that one over and over again.
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 21, 2021 11:42:24 GMT -5
I would add FANTASTIC FOUR. But then, I've been a fan since 1967 (thanks to the short-lived Hanna-Barbera tv cartoons)!
The Mole Man, The Skrulls, The Sub-Mariner, Dr. Doom, The Red Ghost and his super-apes, The Mad Thinker, The Frightful Four... and that's all before the wedding!
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Post by brutalis on Dec 21, 2021 11:46:28 GMT -5
Spider-Man and Batman for me take all in this category. I've often debated who wins between these two and I'm still on the fence. Add on the Flash Rogues. Top 3 for sure! Avengers has managed to develop a nice group of minor to major villainy alongside the Fantastic Four.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 21, 2021 13:35:17 GMT -5
I'll put up Captain Marvel's band of baddies against anyone:
Dr Sivana and his brood, Black Adam, Ibac, Sabac, King Kull, Aunt Minerva, Captain Nazi, Mr Atom, Oggar, the Crocodile Men.
We will just ignore Nippo and Mr Banjo.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2021 23:09:01 GMT -5
I love Batman's rogues, and Spidey has some really good ones.
but, c'mon. . the Flash Rogues have their own "gang". . . . and even the stupid ones (Turtle; TarPit) are fun.
I'd also toss in probably the FF & Dick Tracy. . . not sure how no one mentioned him yet (to round out the top 5).
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 22, 2021 1:09:29 GMT -5
Batman wins.
It’s not just the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, Catwoman, Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, the Scarecrow, etc. It’s also the C- and D-listers that have appeared throughout his long history.
Dr Death, Hugo Strange, the Mirror Man, the Polka-Dot Man, the Black Spider, the Cavalier, all the Two-Faces that aren’t Harvey Dent, the Firefly, the Gorilla Boss, Tiger Moth, the Silken Spider, Dragon Fly, the Ten-Eyed Man, Double X, the Fox, the Shark and the Vulture, Catman, the King of Cats, Johnny Witts, the Getaway Genius ...
Four Clayfaces!
He has his own personal Dr Doom!
And two personal Fu Manchus!
He’s the clear winner ...
And I didn’t even get to Two-Tone, Zodiac Master, Professor Arnold Hugo, Maxie Zeus, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, Victor Zsasz, Planet Master, Kite Man, Signalman (He’s also the Blue Bowman), Flame Master, the Jackal, Mr Camera, Crazy Quilt, Mr. 50, Clue Master, the Calculator, Blockbuster, the Spook, Captain Stingaree, Calendar Man ...
And so on.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 22, 2021 6:31:06 GMT -5
Hoosier's naied it. It's Batman by a length, followed by Spidey, and Flash in a distant third.
Cei-U! I summon the horse race!
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Post by The Captain on Dec 22, 2021 7:24:30 GMT -5
Batman wins. It’s not just the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, Catwoman, Mr Freeze, Poison Ivy, the Scarecrow, etc. It’s also the C- and D-listers that have appeared throughout his long history. Dr Death, Hugo Strange, the Mirror Man, the Polka-Dot Man, the Black Spider, the Cavalier, all the Two-Faces that aren’t Harvey Dent, the Firefly, the Gorilla Boss, Tiger Moth, the Silken Spider, Dragon Fly, the Ten-Eyed Man, Double X, the Fox, the Shark and the Vulture, Catman, the King of Cats, Johnny Witts, the Getaway Genius ... Four Clayfaces! He has his own personal Dr Doom! And two personal Fu Manchus! He’s the clear winner ... And I didn’t even get to Two-Tone, Zodiac Master, Professor Arnold Hugo, Maxie Zeus, Tweedledum and Tweedledee, Victor Zsasz, Planet Master, Kite Man, Signalman (He’s also the Blue Bowman), Flame Master, the Jackal, Mr Camera, Crazy Quilt, Mr. 50, Clue Master, the Calculator, Blockbuster, the Spook, Captain Stingaree, Calendar Man ... And so on. Your list is invalid, as it omitted Condiment King. He squirts ketchup.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2021 8:26:21 GMT -5
Skip ahead to 0:40 for the beginning of the villains roll call. And yes, Condiment King makes the cut.
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