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Post by The Captain on Dec 16, 2021 12:22:44 GMT -5
#9 : John Constantine and Kit Ryan If I’d had time to pull a list together, these two would have definitely been on it. Great choice!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 12:28:29 GMT -5
#9. Bunny and Dean (Charm School)(...) Charm School is one of those series that it is almost impossible to explain to someone who hasn't read it. It's a queer supernatural romantic comedy incorporating aspects of horror, fairy tales, teen humour comics, and 1950s teenage movies. That didn't help, did it? Let me try again... New Salem is a town where everything magical and supernatural lives. Bunny is a teenage witch girl (who looks like Melissa Joan Hart and dresses like the animated Elizabeth Montgomery in the opening credits of Bewitched) who is dating butch lesbian vampire Dean (who looks like Jean Seberg and dresses like John Travolta in Grease). However, the situation is upset when Fairer Than, a dark fae from 'the wrong side of the forest' (who looks like Christina Hendricks and dresses like a cross between Poison Ivy and a tavern wench), arrives in New Salem and sets her sights on Bunny. What plays out is essentially a fairy tale of two knights competing for the hand of a maiden, in which all the principals are female. And the 'joust' is a drag race with magical hot rods. This isn't helping, is it? Well, anyway, this is a story that takes many of the established romance tropes and puts a new spin on them. I probably missed a lot of the themes that are more obvious to the LBGQI+ readership (the creator Elizabeth Watasin acknowledges that the core of the story is Bunny having to chose between the 'butch' Dean and the 'femme' Fairer Than), but I still found it a fun, sweet and engaging read. (...) LOVED this series. . and so wish they had done way more
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 16, 2021 12:31:56 GMT -5
And we shall continue with the most basic list of the year with... 9. Bigby Wolf and Snow White. Up through Issue #75 Fables was a worthy successor to the title "Best Vertigo Book." And a large part of that was the relationship between Bigby and Snow. The will they/won't they, love/hate relationship was very well done. They were both very strong personalities with a ton of baggage and trauma that kept them from letting their guards down. Just a nice exploration of two strong, broken people becoming softer and healing together while still maintaining their separate personalities.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2021 12:41:02 GMT -5
so these two were all up and down my list . almost ended up at 12, then moved up to 6, and finally settled at #9 Kathy George & Lenny Shapiro (with Shade the Changing Man as the spoiler 3rd wheel who was also with Kathy) it gets super complicated, and I was in awe of this book - with some stellar writing from Peter Milligan, and my first real exposure to Chris Bachalo's art being what really sold me. shorthand? Shade is an alien who takes over the bodies of the recently dead so he (they) can exist. he meets Kathy and falls in love with her. . . but the only issue (and it's a big one - that's what she said (HA!)) is that Shade is in the body of the serial killer who murdered her family. . . and had been put to death, allowing Shade to take over. that's the basis of the 1st 12 issues of the series, as Shade, along with Kathy, and their friend they meet along the way, Lenny, fight "the American Scream". . a hostile alien from the same dimension as Shade who is free on Earth as well, and wants to destroy everything. as can be deduced, Kathy has very conflicted feelings about Shade (who loves her), and eventually Kathy and Lenny become a comics version of Thelma and Louise (I guess is the best way to put it). . dating each other, while Kathy also has a relationship with Shade. all drawn beautifully by Bachalo: it gets even more complicated when Shade takes over the body of a deceased woman. . . yet still dates Kathy. they were more a Poly couple than a standard couple, but Lenny remains one of my all time favorite comic characters, and I loved her honest/f-ed up relationship with Kathy. so they are my #9.
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 16, 2021 13:20:16 GMT -5
9. Jughead and Big EthelHere's what I like about Jughead and Big Ethel: the arc of their relationship rings true to me for kids their age. Ethel is really into Jughead. He's really uncomfortable with this. She goes too far at times pursuing him; he goes too far at times acting like a jerk and being mean to her. That's how they were in the 60s and 70s. But then as they matured a little bit, Jughead got to know Ethel and discovered she was actually really cool - into alt and classic rock, into sci-fi novels and geeky stuff. And as they became friends, she started backing off a little, giving him some space even while she carried a torch. That was the deal in the 90s and 00s. So it seemed fitting that in the Life with Archie series, we see that at least in one universe, the two ended up getting married. That friendship blossomed into something more. The kids had grown up - in some ways, their early mean interactions remind me of the Calvin-Susie stuff we've already discussed. #relationshipgoals
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 16, 2021 13:54:24 GMT -5
9. Jughead and Big Ethel(...) But then as they matured a little bit, Jughead got to know Ethel and discovered she was actually really cool - into alt and classic rock, into sci-fi novels and geeky stuff. And as they became friends, she started backing off a little, giving him some space even while she carried a torch. That was the deal in the 90s and 00s. I had no idea! I thought Jug finding Ethel O.K. happened as recently as in the Married Life series. Good to know that the kids grew out of their awkward phase in the regular titles too.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 16, 2021 14:20:20 GMT -5
9. Peter & Betty
Spider-Man (Peter-Parker) & Betty Brant from Amazing Spider-Man #4 by Stan Lee & Steve Ditko Marvel, 1963 This was the trickiest part of making the list. I could have filled half of it with just the relationships of Spider-Man. He's my favorite character and I'm very interested in his journey, including the women he meets along the way. Liz, Betty, Gwen, MJ, Felicia, Ultimate MJ, Ultimate Kitty Pryde, Carlie... Plus all the other relationships in his life. Liz & Flash, Liz & Harry, May & Otto, May & Nathan, Betty & Ned, Carnage & Shriek... all part of the tapestry. At first I decided I would go with the "main 3" Spider relationships, but I opted for more variety instead, rather than spending a full quarter of this list on one character. This way I don't have to explain why one choice involves a girl where my favorite moment is her dying. Betty was Peter's first love, a high school girlfriend. There was another guy in the picture, Ned. And while she preferred Peter, she hated how much danger he put himself in, taking pictures of Spider-Man. It reminded her of how her brother lived his life, and how he died. In Ned, she hoped for stability. For Peter's part, he always felt that Spider-Man stood between them. supercat beat me to my favorite Peter/Betty scene, so here's another, that also showcases some of the relationships I callously omitted from my list. OK, we don't see Peter, but he's definitely the subject of the scene.
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 16, 2021 14:26:56 GMT -5
9. Jughead and Big Ethel(...) But then as they matured a little bit, Jughead got to know Ethel and discovered she was actually really cool - into alt and classic rock, into sci-fi novels and geeky stuff. And as they became friends, she started backing off a little, giving him some space even while she carried a torch. That was the deal in the 90s and 00s. I had no idea! I thought Jug finding Ethel O.K. happened as recently as in the Married Life series. Good to know that the kids grew out of their awkward phase in the regular titles too. Yeah, there was a great issue in the 00s where Jughead hangs out with her and we learn she's really cool. She also volunteers at an old folks home in addtion to sharing a lot of Jughead's interests. And Jughead's like.... man, I've been a real jerk. I can't remember the issue number or else I would have posted an image form that story.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 16, 2021 15:06:33 GMT -5
9. Svebor & PlamenaI mentioned the series in which these two titular characters appeared in last year’s 12 days (in which series writer Darko Macan was one of my choices). So you can follow this link for more general details about it. Here, I’ll just add that I really loved the journey these two teens took: they barely tolerated each other in the first episode, but then became very good friends, helping each other through the various curveballs life threw at them (including ultimately unsuccessful romantic entanglements with others) and then finally realizing that they love each other – something that more perceptive readers realize much earlier in than they do. As I noted in my description of the overall series last year, there's nothing cutesy or forced about this - it's the opposite of a teen rom-com. Their relationship develops very, well, naturally for lack of a better term.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 16, 2021 16:52:09 GMT -5
And on the Fourth Day there was... Hellboy Grooming Alice MonaghanThis one and my next two choices are hold overs from my original concept for this years theme as the first thing that came to mind were plays on Beauty and the Beast and Hellboy and Alice definitely fit that mold to a tee...only the more I thought about it the more I found relationships that didn't fit that mold so my plans changed but a few made the cut. Other than how great the two look together I think what really made this pair stick in my mind was just how poetic and mythic they come across; Hellboy's the death bringer and world ender while Alice was chosen to succeed Queen Mab to help deliver the new world. An ending and a beginning finding each other and their love helping to fulfill both of their fates just makes for an utterly amazing read. So, why only day four? Well, despite loving the poetic nature of the relationship I just can't place it hire because this is Hellboy and Alice's "First Date": Yeah, she's the infant Hellboy saved way back in Hellboy and the Corpse...so it's a significant age gap. But it get's worse as Alice says that Hellboy repeatedly dropped in on her as she was growing up and continually seeing him all that time made her feel like she was just waiting to get to be with him her whole life...which is the product of some serious grooming which is pretty unsavory when you think about it...so I try not to dwell on it because the rest is so perfect. Why couldn't Mignola just create her out of whole cloth? Why tie her into a story that makes their relationship problematic?
The world may never know.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 16, 2021 23:00:26 GMT -5
Definitely seeing a couple from my list later on now Scrooge and Goldie were a late cut from mine.... just too one sided, even if it was always a good time. There's be quite a few of both of these two in other places.... Peter Parker and Kitty Pryde (Ultimate Universe)This was something a REALLY wanted to carry through... it just made so much SENSE. Sure, it couldn't last, but these two kids are just so much alike, that had to hit it off. One of my favorite things in the Ultimate Universe that they changed from the main one.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 17, 2021 0:57:10 GMT -5
#9 Mikaal Tomas & TonyOne of the really great elements of James Robinson's Starman series was his respect for past stories. Rather than jettison what he didn' like and do an "Everything you know is wrong!" retcon, he tried to find a more creative way to repair damage done to characters by bad writing, in the past. He took those stories as done, then tried to find a way to rehabilitate the character. He also had a talent for finding the cool parts of obscure characters and Mikaal Tomas, aka the alien Starman, of First Issue Special #12, tying him and all of the others who carried the name Starman, to Jack Knight and his father, ted, the original Starman. Mikaal's one story, his debut, existed in this world, even with a post-Crisis way out. No one had touched the character, leaving it a failed experiment of a bygone day. Robinson picked him up and added him to the roster. Jack discovers that something happened to Mikaal, in the 1970s, after his debut adventure. He was drugged and ended up a slave, in a freak show, where the owner fed off the misery of its performers. Mikaal had no memory of his past, no idea of his power, thinking it gone. Jack makes his first conscious decision to perform a heroic act, because it is the right thing to do and he has the ability to do it. previously, he fought in response to the Mist's attack on his family. Now, he took up someone else's fight. He freed Mikaal and took care of him. Mikaal would be placed in the care of Ted Knight, who helped him recover. Soon, a childlike Solomon Grundy would join him, before Nash, the Mist's daughter, came back for revenge. Mikaal was used as a hostage, before he rediscovered his power. We cut ahead, in storyline, after Mikaal has been mostly out of the picture. Jack has discovered that his girlfriend, Sadie, is the sister of the former Starman, Will Payton, who died fighting Eclipso. Except, he may not be dead and may, in fact, be a prisoner, somewhere out in space. Jack undertakes a trip to the stars to find him. He approaches Mikaal about coming with him. Mikaal feels a longing to return to space and find his lost identity. However, there is a complication that arises, that was a surprise to readers. In the time since he was last directly involved in Jack's adventures, Mikaal had found a lover; a man named Tony. Mikaal has to tell Tony that he is leaving for space; it is something he has to do. It is clear that he deeply loves Tony and Tony fell in love with him the moment he saw him. Tony understands, and says goodbye, not knowing if Mikaal will come back; but, he will wait for him, because Mikaal promised to come back. Tony has given him a reason not to remain in the stars. For a period of time, James Robinson was one of the best writers working in comics. He early work was really, really good and he helped elevate some questionable concepts, like Malibu's Firearm. Robinson took the idea of a gun-totting normal, in a new superhero universe, and turned him into a private detective riff that was filled with literary references and book recommendations, in the letters page. You didn't get that with the Punisher. He dabbled with Grendel, wrote a Vertigo piece with the 3 Witches, who formerly introduced horror stories in DC's The Witching Hour. He did a neat little graphic novel for Epic, 67 Seconds. he wrote the post-War JSA, in The Golden Age, exploring the McCarthy Era paranoia, and gave them a reason to be paranoid. Starman was his epic masterpiece. Robinson had a knack for giving us intriguing characters, in just a few panels, with a great image from artist Tony Harris, and a bit of dialogue and/or exposition, from Robinson. This was one of those seminal moments. On the first page, Robinson introduces Tony as the new man in Mikaal's life. We were just digesting the idea that Mikaal was gay, given he avenges a dead female lover, in First Issue Special. On the next page, we find out that he loves this man, but he has to leave him to find himself, out in space, or he will never be whole and cannot embrace that love fully. Tony sends him off to do what he must and we ache for him, because we get the idea that Mikaal may not be the same, once he goes off into space. As "The Stars My Destination," as the storyline was titled, plays out, Mikaal is changed. He finds his lost warrior spirit and the full extent of his powers. When he and Jack return to Earth, after finding the truth of what happened to Will Payton, Mikaal is changed, and it scares Tony. Yet, he loves him and asks Jack to talk to Mikaal. At the end of the series, Jack does, but nothing is certain.... Sadly, Tony was killed off, so that Mikaal could be grieving and deal with other things. Not even Robinson could match his previous work. But, for that brief period and a handful of panels, Mikaal and Tony were a wonderful, loving couple, who made us smile. Even as we learned that Mikaal is neither heterosexual or homosexual, or bisexual; he is an alien and does not easily fit within human understanding. Mikaal still loved and could be loved, and Tony loved him and after all of the suffering Mikaal endured in his debut and in the pages of Starman, it was a shining moment and it made us love Tony all the more, because he loved Mikaal and lifted Mikaal up out of what had happened and he returned the love. I often wish that Robinson could reconnect with his younger self, and write like this again. The best he manages is flashes of it. Maybe someday.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 17, 2021 14:46:57 GMT -5
Definitely seeing a couple from my list later on now :) Scrooge and Goldie were a late cut from mine.... just too one sided, even if it was always a good time. There's be quite a few of both of these two in other places.... Peter Parker and Kitty Pryde (Ultimate Universe)This was something a REALLY wanted to carry through... it just made so much SENSE. Sure, it couldn't last, but these two kids are just so much alike, that had to hit it off. One of my favorite things in the Ultimate Universe that they changed from the main one. Yeah it worked great. Strongly considered for my list. But I decided to artificially impose a one-Spidey entry rule.
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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 17, 2021 20:46:24 GMT -5
9. Red Tornado and Kathy SuttonOK, I couldn't resist having this year's list overlap my favorite characters list from the first CCC, so Red Tornado and Kathy Sutton popped to mind early on. Is theirs one of the great comics love stories? Well, no, it's not especially memorable. But I just plain wanted Reddy to have a happy life, and the idea of this android finding love, and an adoptive daughter to boot, was appealing to me. This relationship made a lot more sense to me than that between another android and a flesh-and-blood woman which I expect we'll be seeing a lot of in the days to come. Maybe it's just that Reddy's low self-esteem resonated with me, but he seemed likeable enough that the right girl just might have fallen for him. And if you were a normal human in the DC Universe, Red Tornado would have been a lot easier catch if you had your eye on marrying a super-hero, right? And this is a character who's proven he's willing to sacrifice time and time again, right?
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Post by commond on Dec 18, 2021 8:48:26 GMT -5
#9 : John Constantine and Kit RyanI wasn't so sure at first... Kit had been introduced (in a cameo, and a flashback at that) as John's best friend's old girlfriend. John and Kit's later relationship almost felt like a betrayal, especially since John's old friends (most of whom are dead) tend to stick around as ghosts! But the lady quickly won me over with her no-nonsense attitude. She was the perfect match for Constantine, in that she didn't buy his bull$#*@ but liked the guy behind the facade. She was a rare case of a comic-book character actually behaving like an adult. Their story ended eventually, alas, and it shattered Constantine -sent him on a months-long drunken binge that turned him into a homeless self-destructive wreck. Perhaps that shows how dependent on her he was, emotionally, and that might have played a role in their break-up (for all that it was staged as if she just got fed up of being pulled into his crazy world of monsters, demons and political extremists). In any case, they eventually met again and parted ways on better terms. Later writers mentioned Kit, but I think none ever managed to evoke the intensity of John's feelings for her; perhaps out of respect for Garth Ennis's work, or perhaps because they didn't know how to handle Kit in a way that wouldn't feel like a retread. Anyway, I'm so glad that for once nobody decided to bring her back just to kill her in some gruesome way, to show how badass Terrible New Menace #543 really is. Kit even got her own one-issue special, which was an excellent comic (devoid of demons and witches, but no less engrossing for all that). Nobody ever came close to Kit when it comes to Constantine's significant others. Great choice! I really loved Kit's one-issue special.
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