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Post by MWGallaher on Dec 15, 2021 9:46:36 GMT -5
10. Ka-Zar the Savage and Shanna the She-Devil as written by Bruce Jones in KA-ZAR THE SAVAGE #1-27, 1981-1983, with pencils by Brent Anderson, Ron Frenz, Armando Gil, and Bob Hall.
I sampled Ka-Zar's series several times in the dawning days of my comic collecting, and Ka-Zar was the co-star of the first major back-issue run I ever purchased, but I didn't particularly like the character. An imitation Tarzan with dinosaurs...eh.
But I did take the plunge and purchased the early 80's KA-ZAR THE SAVAGE from issue 1, and never regretted it (well, maybe a little at the end when Mike Carlin took over the writing). More than most adventure comics featuring a romantically-involved couple, and despite Ka-Zar getting the masthead, this series was about the relationship, foremost. Not the adventuring, not the lead male with supporting character Shanna, it was about Kevin and Shanna. As the core, as the focus around which all the (highly engaging) adventuring took place, this book felt like something special to me.
I really don't get why Bruce Jones is not more highly regarded among comics fans, and is even despised by some of them. I'm not sure if I even remembered him during last year's Classic Comics Christmas, but I should have. And what he did with Ka-Zar and Shanna is a highlight of his comics work. I don't think any other writers since--at least not those I've sampled--has recaptured the fictional chemistry between these two like Jones did in that glorious, too-short run.
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Post by brutalis on Dec 15, 2021 9:58:57 GMT -5
#10-Ralph and Sue Dibny
Mr. and Mrs. Elongated Man detecting in life (and death, damn you Meltzer) and love as DC's answer to Nick and Nora Charles. As one of my 1st noted married couples these partners were equal to each other. In love, in smarts, in being an actual TEAM devoted to solving clues and deciphering mysteries whenever Ralph's Gingold infused nose would begin twitching.
One of the very best couples in marriage that were NOT constantly bickering, fussing or torn apart emotionally. Our rubbery sleuth was always jovial, happy and fully in love with his wife. They partnered up in a healthy, caring way which was refreshing in the sordid soap opera world of super heroing.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 15, 2021 10:33:43 GMT -5
#10. Preston Payne (Clayface III) and Helenaas written by Alan Moore Whenever I get into it with someone who loves Alan Moore for works like “The Killing Joke” or “For the Man Who Has Everything,” I snicker and then show them “Mortal Clay” from Batman Annual #11. In it, we see Preston Payne (Clayface III) utterly exposed as a vulnerable human with a heart, desperately gambling everything for an unrequited love. It's so universal and familiar, especially as it turns progressively darker, and we see Payne in the end having gained the wife he sought at the cost of everything he has held dear. He blames the woman, and some part of us feels his resentment and fury. And yet, the true brilliance of this piece is that she is a department store mannequin. Every wrong she has committed, every sacrifice she has demanded, were projected from Payne's own unconscious, raising serious questions about who is truly at fault when idealized relationships turn toxic. It's a bleak, brilliant exploration that is, on the one hand unforgiving, and on the other beautiful and humanizing. We don't hate Payne; we pity him. And then we look in the mirror and ask some serious questions of ourselves.
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Post by shaxper on Dec 15, 2021 10:41:38 GMT -5
I'm sure this is because the character first appeared during my "sweet spot" when I was REALLY enjoying (and buying) the Batman books. . but my #10 is: Bruce Wayne & Natalia Knight (Nocturna). although many always thought she was a Vampire - and I do believe that sometimes in other media (or appearances) sometimes she's referred to as such - Nocturna is NOT a Vampire. Her powers really are only teleportation over short distances (mainly during nighttime/dark hours). That combined with her skin condition, her sensitivity to sunlight, and her persona/mode of dress meant that she played at being a Vampire to confuse. at the end of the day. . she's really just a master theif with Teleportation powers. (oh, and a perfume that allowed her to control the men around her via pheromones). . so she was a goth combination of Catwoman & Poison Ivy. she had a multi issue arc in which she adopted Jason Todd, and used him as a pawn to try and get Batman to Marry her. (it was way better than it sounded, really). initially he was attracted to her due to the Pheromones. . . but he decided to follow thru with her ask for Jason's sake, although many believed that she wanted to marry Bruce for his money. Nocturna figured out Bruce = Batman, and eventually it was revealed that she really did love Bruce, and "sacrificed" herself to save Jason from harm, and to show Bruce she loved him. her last "real" appearance to me, was in this issue, where a gravely injured Nocturna was sent off into a storm (via Hot Air Balloon. . you had to be there), and out of Bruce's/Jason's life. although the character has popped up again here and there - even joining the Suicide Squad in one iteration (where she was mistakenly portrayed as Vampiric). . .but without the connection to Bruce that so defined her earlier appearances. I REALLY thought I was the only one who'd go with this duo. So many folks seem to have utterly hated the pairing.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 15, 2021 11:06:31 GMT -5
10. Monsieur Mallah and The BrainSay what you will about Grant Morrison, love him, hate him (I don't think anyone is indifferent to him) he used to be willing to take chances. I find that he's very hit and miss for me, but Doom Patrol was great and part of that greatness was his use of Monsieur Mallah and The Brain. The heart wants what the heart wants. And if that happens be an ape or a disembodied brain, so be it. And you can always sing along..."It's Mallah, it's Mallah and the Brain...Brain...Brain."
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 15, 2021 12:08:15 GMT -5
I’m beginning to think that Mallah and the brain are going to steal the show this year.
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Post by codystarbuck on Dec 15, 2021 12:22:47 GMT -5
#10 Horatio Hellpop and Sundra PealeWho? How about The Great and Powerful Nexus and Sundra? Horatio Hellpop is the son of a mass murderer, who, as a child, fell under the control of a powerful alien entity and channeled tremendous fusion power to murder his own father. Then, he was plagued by headaches and visions of mass murderers and compelled to hunt them down and destroy them. Sundra Peale was a secret agent, sent by the Web, an intergalactic federation, to spy on Nexus, who was deemed a potential threat to the Web. Under cover as a journalist, she rigged a rescue by Nexus that landed her on his home base of Ylum, where she discovered that things weren't so cut and dried. Nexus was also known as Nexus the Liberator, as he freed slaves and conquered peoples from the tyrants who subjugated them. Ylum became a community for the dispossessed, a home to refugees. Nexus even takes an orphaned boy, Mezz, under his wing, to keep him out of trouble. Sundra sees all of this and the corruption of the Web, and her loyalties soon change. She sees the warm and gentle soul behind the mask of Nexus, the man named Horatio Hellpop. She abandons the Web and becomes the lover of Horatio, and, eventually, his life partner. However, their lives are hardly uncomplicated. Mike Baron & Steve Rude constructed a complex world within their seminal comic series, Nexus and the heart of it is the love of Horatio and Sundra. They are wary opponents, at first, but Horatio wins over Sundra and she eventually abandons her mission. That costs her in connections to home and draws the wrath of her boss, Ursula XXX Imada. Imada comes to Ylum under the guise of a diplomat and then seduces (with chemical aids) Horatio, fathering her twin daughters. Sundra is hurt and angry, but, most of her anger is directed at the Web and Ursula. That sets off a dangerous rivalry, which sees Nexus' daughters used as pawns. Sundra eventually starts her own business, with Jil, which proves successful. Horatio attempts to free himself of the Merk's control, so that he can have a life with Sundra and be free of the killing; but, it's not so simple. Horatio and Sundra are one of the more complex couples in comics, which also makes them one of the more realistic. They fight and make up, deal with complex problems that don't have easy solutions. Through it all, they share a bond that keeps them going and they ride out the bad times and revel in the good. When I think of the pair, my mind is filled with panels of them having a quiet picnic, or dancing with abandon to the swinging sounds of Mezz's horn.
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Post by majestic on Dec 15, 2021 12:53:09 GMT -5
#10. Hawkman and Hawkwoman. Carter & Shiera Hall.They are literally eternal soul mates. Each time they die they are reborn and find each other again. Across time and space. That's really something.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 15, 2021 15:17:00 GMT -5
10. Peter Parker (Spider-man) and Mary Jane WatsonPete and MJ are probably the first two who come to mind when someone says ‘superhero romances’ or ‘comic book couples’ – yep, even before Superman and Lois. This probably has a lot to do with when I came into comics, i.e., the mid-1970s. At that point, the main series was deep into Len Wein’s run, where Pete and MJ were a kind-of/sort-of couple and she even appeared as Peter’s girlfriend in Spidey Super Stories, so it was natural for me to assume that she was Spidey’s love interest. I wasn’t even dissuaded when I started picking up the reprints in Marvel Tales, where he was still pretty seriously involved with Gwen Stacy. However, I started reading that series probably a few issues before that story in which she died, so it immediately became clear to me that the Gwen chapter in his life had definitely been closed. Besides, this very memorable scene in the immediate aftermath of Gwen’s death really cemented my view of Mary Jane as the one:
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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 15, 2021 17:29:49 GMT -5
#10. Preston Payne (Clayface IV) and Helena I wish I had thought of this
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 15, 2021 17:57:24 GMT -5
10. Swamp Thing & Abby
Swamp Thing (sort of Alec Holland) and Abigail Holland, née Arcane from Swamp thing #3 by Len Wein & Berni Wrightson DC, 1973 Particularly as portrayed in Saga of the Swamp Thing #21-38 & Swamp Thing #39-64 by Alan Moore, Steve Bissette, John Totleben, and friends DC, 1984-1987 Growing up, I would have guessed my life would have been fine had I never known how a woman and plant creature might have sex. Alan Moore felt differently. From tepid confessions of love to psychedelic consummation to societal scorn to a journey across the stars with the sole goal of being reunited, at peace in their bayou.
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 15, 2021 18:06:50 GMT -5
That's my only DC entry out of the way!
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Dec 15, 2021 18:11:21 GMT -5
#10. Bizarro Superman and Bizarro Lois (Silver Age) One of the most entertaining aspects of Silver Age Superman comics is that all of those repressed romantic and sexual feelings between Superman and Lois emerge in a number of strange, displaced forms (Freud would have had a field day with these comics). One of the, well, most bizarre and popular iterations of this is Bizarro Superman and Bizarro Lois. According to Bizarro creator Alvin Schwartz, the character was a "deconstruction of Superman ... that mirror-image, that opposite ... I was certainly inspired to some degree by C.G. Jung's archetype of 'the shadow' and Bizarro certainly reflected that." Where Superman and Lois were strictly limited in how they could express affection, their Bizarro counterparts not only had no such strictures, but, by definition, were compelled to express their love for one another. As such, Bizarro Superman and Bizarro Lois were able to fulfill these longings to the point that in one of their earliest appearances ( Superman #140) they even have a biological child. And throughout they are faithfully devoted to one another. Only in DC Silver Age comics could heteronormative domesticity look so decidedly queer.
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Post by Crimebuster on Dec 16, 2021 13:03:41 GMT -5
10. Jack Knight and Sadie FalkThis relationship started as a classic "opposites repel," as they initially clashed before slowly moving towards each other. Which makes sense, because Jack could really be a tool at times. It turned out there was more to it, though. Sadie was reluctant because she had a guilty secret - she had come to Opal City looking for Jack in the first place, to help her find her brother, the previous Starman, Will Peyton. And she had gotten involved with Jack under these false pretenses.
Still, Jack went to space to find Will. When he returned, though, Sadie left. She was pregnant with their child and the superhero life was too dangerous and scary. She wrote Jack asking him to quit being a superhero and come out to San Francisco to join her.
And the great thing is, he did. The whole series was about the relationships between parents and children, and over the course of their relationship Jack had matured to the point where he wanted to be a good partner and father more than he wanted to be a good superhero. So he quit as Starman, left Opal City, and the two have never appeared since, as the wrote themselves out of the DCU and into a normal happy life. True love!
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Post by wildfire2099 on Dec 16, 2021 22:50:31 GMT -5
Rich Rider and Namorita New Warriors was one of my favorite books of my early comic book collecting days... and the two romantic relationships in the Warriors were the first two I really cared about. While the other (Justice and Firestar) was far more solid, it was also far less interesting... especially when Namorita turned blue.. that was some great soap opera. The macho man trying to protect his girl trope got turned on it's head more than a few times here, which was always fun. Too bad Marvel has messed with poor Rich so much since his more care free slacker-superhero days.
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