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Post by thwhtguardian on Dec 15, 2021 17:26:42 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day Two, because those thoughts aren't going to think themselves. Scott and Ramona - My youngest son loves(loved) Scott Pilgrim. I was unimpressed. It's likely an age thing. It definitely is an age thing, I read them as they were coming out my senior year of high school and into college and it was a serious hit for me but I reread the first book again(and then the last) earlier this month and I definitely felt differently. It's a lot like the Hughes movies of the 80's in that respect, I loved Pretty in Pink, 16 Candles, Breakfast Club and Ferris Buler growing up but unless I'm in a super nostalgic mood they're barely watchable these days. |
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 15, 2021 17:28:56 GMT -5
(...) Krazy Kat & Ignatz - I seriously considered Krazy and Ignatz, but decided to steer clear of unrequited love (unless a brick to the head = love). And I think you have to include Offisa Pup in the equation. Precisely! I said so myself earlier in the advance warning thread.
This comes up a lot when people talk about Peter and Betty, but was she really (that much) older? As I understand it, back in the early 1960s when these comics were being published, it wasn't that uncommon for 17-18 year-old girls to have jobs as secretaries or receptionists. And I think it was mentioned at some point that Betty had dropped out of high school to take the job.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 15, 2021 17:33:46 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day Two, because those thoughts aren't going to think themselves. Scott and Ramona - My youngest son loves(loved) Scott Pilgrim. I was unimpressed. It's likely an age thing. It definitely is an age thing, I read them as they were coming out my senior year of high school and into college and it was a serious hit for me but I reread the first book again(and then the last) earlier this month and I definitely felt differently. It's a lot like the Hughes movies of the 80's in that respect, I loved Pretty in Pink, 16 Candles, Breakfast Club and Ferris Buler growing up but unless I'm in a super nostalgic mood they're barely watchable these days. I still absolutely love The Breakfast Club. But the rest I'm at best lukewarm on. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 15, 2021 17:35:26 GMT -5
(...) Krazy Kat & Ignatz - I seriously considered Krazy and Ignatz, but decided to steer clear of unrequited love (unless a brick to the head = love). And I think you have to include Offisa Pup in the equation. Precisely! I said so myself earlier in the advance warning thread.
This comes up a lot when people talk about Peter and Betty, but was she really (that much) older? As I understand it, back in the early 1960s when these comics were being published, it wasn't that uncommon for 17-18 year-old girls to have jobs as secretaries or receptionists. And I think it was mentioned at some point that Betty had dropped out of high school to take the job.
I always figured she was a couple years older than Pete. But when you're 16-17 that's still a fair chunk of your life. Also there's just the maturity difference between a woman who is working full time and a high-school student living at home. |
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Post by DubipR on Dec 15, 2021 20:49:42 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day Two, because those thoughts aren't going to think themselves. Krazy Kat & Ignatz - I seriously considered Krazy and Ignatz, but decided to steer clear of unrequited love (unless a brick to the head = love). And I think you have to include Offisa Pup in the equation. It's a couple not a throuple. Offisa Pup has to look from the periphery. |
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Post by The Captain on Dec 15, 2021 21:07:04 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day Two, because those thoughts aren't going to think themselves. Scott and Ramona - My youngest son loves(loved) Scott Pilgrim. I was unimpressed. It's likely an age thing. It definitely is an age thing, I read them as they were coming out my senior year of high school and into college and it was a serious hit for me but I reread the first book again(and then the last) earlier this month and I definitely felt differently. It's a lot like the Hughes movies of the 80's in that respect, I loved Pretty in Pink, 16 Candles, Breakfast Club and Ferris Buler growing up but unless I'm in a super nostalgic mood they're barely watchable these days. I watched Ferris Bueller with my daughters back in November and it was still pretty enjoyable. Same with Real Genius and Better Off Dead (not Hughes' movies, but from the same era). Haven't seen PiP or Breakfast Club in years. I can't imagine the former holding any appeal, but Breakfast Club was always the far superior movie anyway. 16 Candles had not held up well, witj lots of cringey moments that I'd be embarrassed to watch with my daughters. Same as Austin Powers, which my sister suggested we watch one evening and my girls were aghast their aunt liked that movie. |
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Post by Farrar on Dec 15, 2021 21:21:38 GMT -5
#11 Lorna Dane (not-yet-Polaris) and Alex Summers (Havok), circa 1969-70
When I started reading the original X-Men series, Scott and Jean were the series' established couple; they seemed very comfortable with one another...so IMO there was a decided lack of romantic angst and drama in the series. Enter Lorna Dane; in her introductory arc in X-Men #49-52, she was a love interest for Bobby Drake/Iceman. Then she was gone and we got Alex Summers starting in issue #54. I found the first couple of Alex issues kind of boring, but in #56 Neal Adams joined the book and all of a sudden the X-Men became a must-read. Then in #57 Lorna returned--yay!--and in #58 she and Alex met (both had been captured by the Sentinels). After the Sentinels arc, Lorna and Alex remained with the X-Men and in the next few issues Lorna was saying things like she was was "nobody's girl" (poor Bobby!). And then in #61 we see just why she was no longer so keen on Bobby:  I love this Adams panel. So finally, some romantic intrigue! What would Bobby say?? Unfortunately in the next several issues Alex and Lorna were minor players and didn't do much until #65; but then in #66, the X-Men went off in search of the Hulk. Alex and Lorna stayed behind to watch over the just-returned-from-the-dead Professor X ...and Bobby stayed behind too, to watch over them. Bobby and Alex sparred over Lorna and I thought great, now Roy Thomas is really developing this triangle. But it was not to be, for in that very issue's letter column were these fateful words "This is the last issue of the X-Men." The comic was canceled with #66. I gave up comics a year or two later and never got to see the X-Men's revival when it happened. So while I know Alex and Lorna eventually did become a couple and have had their ups and downs over the years, this is how I remember them: from the last issues of the original X-Men run, when they were new characters and at the start of a relationship. It was all very thrilling to me. They also graced a couple of iconic covers 
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Post by shaxper on Dec 15, 2021 21:31:29 GMT -5
I gave up comics a year or two later and never got to see the X-Men's revival when it happened. So while I know Alex and Lorna eventually did become a couple and have had their ups and downs over the years, this is how I remember them: from the last issues of the original X-Men run, when they were new characters and at the start of a relationship. It was all very thrilling to me. I strongly suggest checking out X-Men #97 sometime to find out how they turned out. #50 is one of my favorite comic covers of all time. I had it taped to the wall of my first apartment. |
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Post by Farrar on Dec 15, 2021 21:46:31 GMT -5
I gave up comics a year or two later and never got to see the X-Men's revival when it happened. So while I know Alex and Lorna eventually did become a couple and have had their ups and downs over the years, this is how I remember them: from the last issues of the original X-Men run, when they were new characters and at the start of a relationship. It was all very thrilling to me. I strongly suggest checking out X-Men #97 sometime to find out how they turned out. Thanks, Shax, I've read it. When I got back into comics a few years ago I set about buying/reading back issues, trades, etc., that featured my favorite characters from my prelapsarian youth (thanks Prince Hal), including Lorna, Alex, Wanda, the Legion, some others...so much so my credit card company, bless them, called me to check on the purchases! Plus I have just about every reference book about Marvel ever printed, so I'm familiar with the history of most of Marvel's characters who originated in the 1960s...so yeah, I know how things turned out for them over the years. But thank you  |
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Post by foxley on Dec 16, 2021 1:30:47 GMT -5
Random thoughts on Day Two, because those thoughts aren't going to think themselves. Pfil and Pamila - I got nothin'. Except maybe some deep concern over Foxley's comic collection. Hey! I resemble that remark!  |
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Post by berkley2 on Dec 21, 2021 22:36:19 GMT -5
11. Laureline and Valerian.
They've already appeared a couple of times at least and I think for good reason. One ofthe few functional romantic partnerships between equals I can tnink of, their relationship develops gradually over the course ofmany stories in a low key way: i think they sort ofjust grow into it without any big, dramatic scenes where they suddenly realise theyre in love, etc. In the end, theyre a couple thats comfortable with each other - and also comfortable away from each other, retaining their independence, especially Laureline, who at times feels like the star of the show in some of the later volumes.
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